What Noah Could Have Said But Didn't

[WayneB]

Those on this thread fighting against the truth will be ashamed in the end when they find that Paul wasn't speaking against works for salvation in Eph. 2. He was speaking against boasting of good works as if they are of ourselves.

The work (not works) of Salvation is all HIS. Regardless, we are going round and round here and soon the discussion will need to end I think. I will end my participation and revert back to the role of moderator but first... a story and a closing comment.

This reminds me of an experience my wife had a few years ago, which I witnessed. She held weekly Bible Studies for women in our home during which she fed them dinner. The participants varied in age and spiritual maturity and included the wife of a convicted felon serving time in jail; a mother of 5 young children who had a sordid past but had repented from it and was now happily married; an older saintly woman whose preacher husband had an affair and left her and his ministry; and a bunch of others with their own struggles. Though the studies, these women found encouragement, support, love...and most importantly they grew in the Lord. The studies were direct from the Word of God and each took their turn facilitating the study.

One week, one of the ladies asked a friend to visit and conduct the study for them. I was in the next room so I heard much of what was spoken. She, like Fisher, began teaching a works based doctrine and then presented herself to the group as an example of one who had achieved "sinlessness". The women of coarse realized this was bad doctrine and began to gently correct her by taking her to passages of Scripture and in love, expressed their struggles but how the Lord is always there to pick them up. After just a few minutes, this lady began to shout at the others in anger, rebuked them for eating while she was teaching and stormed from our house spouting obscenities.

Saints, don't buy this junk doctrine that Fisher and others are pushing. George Whitten has posted a great study in the Study Forum that I suggest you read... Difference between JUSTIFICATION and SANTIFICATION. Also, Shiloh has posted an excellent study on Grace titled A Biblical Understanding Of Grace. Read both...you will be blessed.

Lastly, there will be no shame when I meet the Lord. I will be too consumed I expect with falling prostrate before HIM and casting my crown at HIS feet.

May the Lord Bless you richly,

Wayne

[Ovedya]

Fishers of Men,

I've noticed you using terms like "doctrines of demons," "the ignorant," and "heretics" in relation to those of us who oppose your argument. Do you truly believe that we are ignorant, that we are heretics, and that we hold the doctrines of demons here?

If so, then there can be no further discussion with you in this regard.

[EricH]

Ephesians 2:8-10 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

And that not of yourselves, it is a gift of God, not of works,lest any man should boast.

[Kansasdad]

Ephesians 2:8-10 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

And that not of yourselves, it is a gift of God, not of works,lest any man should boast.

[apothanein kerdos]

If we say that we have fellowship with Him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth; but if we walk in the light as He Himself is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin. If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sings and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have no sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us. 1 John 1:6-10

The importance that John is dealing with is that sin interrupts our fellowship with God and one another. He implores us to walk in the light, however he acknowledges that we will sin, this is why he spend the latter part of this chapter and hte first part of chapter two explaining that Christ is our advocate. In essence, in order to be forgiven and to restore our fellowship (not relationship, that is continual) with God all we have to do is confess. No works to make up for it, and no works to keep us away from it.

It is clear as day Fisher.

Christ is not among these post or the spirt in which they were posted, and I no longer wish to be a part of it.

Fisher is a false prophet. We are called by God, Jesus, Paul, and many others to exploit false prophets and their teachings. John would have nothing to do with certain teachers, and even called one the enemy of truth. His [John's] disciple Polycarp called another false teacher the first born of Satan. Jesus called false teachers vipers.

Calling Fisher for what he is...there is no fault in that.

[Ovedya]

I would suggest that any kind of labeling of persons has no profit in the discussion overall.

[mrs]

I would suggest that any kind of labeling of persons has no profit in the discussion overall.

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I have not followed this thread, but I would agree. And we are commanded: " let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt..."

[Kabowd]

It's profitable if it warns others of the false message isn't it? I thought we were called to expose lies. Especially for those who are weaker in the faith, I thought it was our responsibility to warn them not to fall into a possible trap.

[Work in Progress]

I thought we were called to expose lies.

Tess, there is a way to expose lies without insulting names, calling someone garbage, belittling them and their thoughts and pounding them into the ground. Christ did it all the time.

And we are commanded: " let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt..."

[Kabowd]

I thought we were called to expose lies.

Tess, there is a way to expose lies without insulting names, calling someone garbage, belittling them and their thoughts and pounding them into the ground. Christ did it all the time.

And other times He called the Pharisees a brood of vipers, fools and hypocrites.

I think certainly there is a time to be patient and gracious (as many of us have tried to do)...but this has extended for 8 pages now and has spilled all over the boards into various topics. There comes a time when enough is enough and you have to call it like it is....which is lies.