Chastity

[johnthebaptist]

11 minutes ago, JustPassingThru said:

Bro, ...I was saved in a Methodist church, ...their statement of Faith is, "We believe in the inerrency of the Word of God, that it was "inspired" by God and given by God to man, Genesis to Revelation."

Are you saying the everything after the Gospels in NOT the Words of Jesus?

Deborah, ...first, she lived in a different dispensation than the current dispensation of Grace we live in Eph 3:2.

She was a "prophetess," NOT a bishop, like there were other prophetess named in the old Testament, Miriam, Huldah, Anna, ...and there are prophetess mentioned in the Church, ...the four daughters of Phillip and I have had Godly sisters prophesied to me, ...two have given me a conformations on what the Lord had already said to me, ...the first confirmed Hab 2:4 and the second confirmed Pro 18:22.

What most tend to over look is Deborah was in submission to male authority, she went to Barak with a conformation of what the Lord had already spoken to him:

And she sent and called Barak the son of Abinoam out of Kedeshnaphtali, and said unto him, Hath not the LORD God of Israel commanded, ( the inference being the Lord had already told Barak what he was to do), Go and draw toward mount Tabor, and take with thee ten thousand men of the children of Naphtali and of the children of Zebulun?  Jdg 4:6

So we see it's more that just she's a woman, it's an issue of accountability and authority, ...it's respect for God's divine order, ...and it has to do with God’s ordained order 1 Cor 11:3, ...in light of God’s order of creation 1 Cor 11:8-9, ...in light of the presence of watching angels 1 Cor 11:10, and in light of the Fall 1 Tim 2:14.

Lord bless

 

 

"The Word of God" would be those times God and Jesus are quoted in the Bible, I believe.

[JustPassingThru]

3 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said:

"The Word of God" would be those times God and Jesus are quoted in the Bible, I believe.

Bro, the Bible is 66 Books, written over a time span of 1,500 years, dictated to over 40 human writers, ...who's origin has to be from outside of our time-space continuum, ...33% of the Bible is prophecy with over 300 prophecies that have been fulfilled about the birth, life, death and Resurrection of Jesus Christ, these "prophecies" were given by men, are you saying because they were not "spoken" by God they are not a part of the Word of God? 

[johnthebaptist]

6 minutes ago, DustyRoad said:

I think I understand what you're getting at... let me know if I'm mistaken. What you're saying is this: the difference between the Lord's words (verbatim) and what the writer of the scripture believes/thinks on their own accord. Is that correct?

Many people took part in the writing of the Bible. Some wrote histories. Some shared opinions. Some shared wisdom.

[johnthebaptist]

4 minutes ago, JustPassingThru said:

Bro, the Bible is 66 Books, written over a time span of 1,500 years, dictated to over 40 human writers, ...who's origin has to be from outside of our time-space continuum, ...33% of the Bible is prophecy with over 300 prophecies that have been fulfilled about the birth, life, death and Resurrection of Jesus Christ, these "prophecies" were given by men, are you saying because they were not "spoken" by God they are not a part of the Word of God? 

I believe the Word of God is those times God or Jesus are directly quoted. I believe the entire Bible is an accurate account of what it documents.

[Coliseum]

11 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said:

"The Word of God" would be those times God and Jesus are quoted in the Bible, I believe.

I am not sure what you would do with 2 Tim 3:16 "All Scripture is God-breathed..." or when Jesus said, "Before Abraham was, I am." or in Genesis when we read, Genesis 3:8 (NIV) "Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the LORD God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the LORD God among the trees of the garden." A spirit can't walk, but the 2nd Person in the Trinity can, Jesus Christ.

Jesus is in the entire Bible from beginning to end.
 

[johnthebaptist]

Just now, Coliseum said:

I am not sure what you would do with 2 Tim 3:16 "All Scripture is God-breathed..." or when Jesus said, "Before Abraham was, I am." or in Genesis when we read, Genesis 3:8 (NIV) "Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the LORD God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the LORD God among the trees of the garden." A spirit can't walk, but the 2nd Person in the Trinity can, Jesus Christ.

Jesus is in the entire Bible from beginning to end.
 

I don't think Paul was referring to his own letters.

[JustPassingThru]

2 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said:

I believe the Word of God is those times God or Jesus are directly quoted. I believe the entire Bible is an accurate account of what it documents.

So then, ...you don't believe the Psalms or Proverbs is a part of the Word of God???

[johnthebaptist]

2 minutes ago, JustPassingThru said:

So then, ...you don't believe the Psalms or Proverbs is a part of the Word of God???

I had never thought about it before. I think the people who wrote Psalms and Proverbs were listening closely to God when they wrote them. Indeed, I'd say God inspired their words.

I anticipate you're going to bring this back to Paul -  what Paul said about women speaking in church. I don't think God inspired Paul to say women shouldn't speak in church. Paul was a great man and we can learn much from him, but like any other human being, he was not perfect.

[johnthebaptist]

9 minutes ago, JustPassingThru said:

So then, ...you don't believe the Psalms or Proverbs is a part of the Word of God???

 

3 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said:

I had never thought about it before. I think the people who wrote Psalms and Proverbs were listening closely to God when they wrote them. Indeed, I'd say God inspired their words.

I anticipate you're going to bring this back to Paul -  what Paul said about women speaking in church. I don't think God inspired Paul to say women shouldn't speak in church. Paul was a great man and we can learn much from him, but like any other human being, he was not perfect.

 I might take exception to one thing in Psalms, though: 

Happy shall he be who takes your little ones
and dashes them against the rock! Psalm 137:9 RSV

Edited December 30, 2019 by johnthebaptist

[Coliseum]

6 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said:

I don't think Paul was referring to his own letters.

 

3 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said:

I had never thought about it before. I think the people who wrote Psalms and Proverbs were listening closely to God when they wrote them. Indeed, I'd say God inspired their words.

I anticipate you're going to bring this back to Paul -  what Paul said about women speaking in church. I don't think God inspired Paul to say women shouldn't speak in church. Paul was a great man and we can learn much from him, but like any other human being, he was not perfect.

But that is not what the Scriptures say. "All Scripture is God-breathed..." Not portions of it---All of it. We all have opinions, but next to the Word of God, they are not credible unless they agree with His Word. The man Paul is not perfect, true, but the Spirit speaking through him is. That is what it means when the verse "All Scripture is God-breathed."