Torah in the New Testament: part 1, Acts Meeting

[Yishai]

Hello everyone, I am writing a full report on Torah only using the NT, this is the start of part 1.  I was shown to not search for the spiritual on the web. I only Use The Word and The Spirit.

Part 1:The Meeting Of Acts.

In acts chapter 13 vs. 14 & 15, we can see the Gentiles in Antioch are keeping the Sabbath and studying Torah, KJV: “But when they departed from Per'ga,they came to Antioch in Pisidia and went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and sat down. 15. And after the reading of The Law(Torah) and the prophets” (so Torah and rest of OT is what was being studied by the first Christian’s on The Biblical Sabbath day)  
In vs. 39 we see By our Belief/Faith in The Messiah we are Justified/made pure,. KJV: “And by him all that believe are Justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses”(simply following the customs of Torah is not what gives humans Justification)
 In vs. 45 we see the Jews become Jealous of the masses of Gentiles who have came to synagogue to Hear The Word of YHWH, and start speaking blasphemous. KJV: “BUT when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy"

 In chapter 14 vs 1 we see the Greeks and Jews both believed together as one Body in synagogue, no separation of Jew n Gentile.
In chapter 15 vs.1 we have man who came down from Judea and taught the New converts, that They CAN NOT be saved UNLESS they are physically circumcised, KJV: “And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses YE CANNOT BE SAVED.”   which is what causes the whole debate can a person get salvation and be uncircumcised? KJV vs.2: “Paul and Barnabas and certain other of them, should go upto Jerusalem unto the Apostles and Elders ABOUT THIS QUESTION" (Not whether we should keep or destroy the Torah that would have been sacrilegious and never would have ever crossed Their minds!)

In vs 5 there is a Pharisee that stood up during the debate, and said it is NEEDFUL they be circumcised and they should be COMMANDED to keep or "Guard" the Torah which could be a reference to rabbinical oral law about placing "fences" around Torah, on this verse I sought out a 4th translation from the Aramaic peshitta, that actually makes the most sense for the context, HRB: “But some of those rose up from the sect of the Pharisees who had believed, saying, It is necessary to circumcise them in order to keep the Law of Moses” In vs.9 we see again there is NO difference between Jew and Gentile, and that our Hearts become purified By Faith! Keeping the rules without Faith is worthless, keep the Torah perfect, without Faith and a circumcised heart it means Nothing!

  In vs. 10 we see Peter say, “now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?”  I believe this Yoke to be a mindset, the very mindset that caused this whole debate, that you CANNOT BE SAVED unless you follow these rules and customs, where as now the understanding has changed in this Meeting from ” we HAVE to Follow these customs to be Saved” to “now that we are Saved by grace, we SHOULD follow these customs” Although, the Torah is Holy, just and good (Ro 7:12), human beings are not, and according to the Torah (Deut 27:26) if one entered the first covenant, then they were obligated to observe every law of Torah and there was no way to have certain sins removed such as adultery, idolatry, blasphemy and murder. Yahshua magnified the Torah to show that in spirit every human being has committed such sins. Since Circumcision is the sign of the first covenant in which you could not have the penalty of such sins removed, Peter is clearly stating why would the elders want to put such a burden on new believers. Paul clearly expounds on this in the book of Galatians that if one is circumcised and joins the old covenant that Messiah will profit him nothing as there was no removal of sins but simply a hope of a better covenant to come with a more perfect priesthood in Melchizedek.

In vs. 11 we again see through the Grace of The Messiah we are saved along with our Faith and belief as we seen in previous verses, this of course is not saying in any way that we should not Try to Follow YHWHs Rules, Just that The rules themselves DO NOT bring salvation, many men followed the customs who were unrighteous in heart, like the Pharisees who wouldn’t help men who needed healing on the Sabbath, they twisted His Torah into something it never was . 

In vs, 19 we see James stands up and says that they should not TROUBLE the New converts, as in don’t overwhelm these new people who have came to Elohim with a direct command from the Jerusalem council that they must follow every rule In order to gain salvation, in vs.20 he instead recommends that they(the elders) write them(new converts) a list they need to abstain from, to not overwhelm them, that they just stop fornication, blood, idols, things strangled “It would be ridiculous to think that these are the only 4 requirements that a new gentile believer needed to follow, as it does not mention murder, blasphemy or even belief in Yahshua. Since cultural issues such as not draining the blood correctly in animals was keeping Jewish believers from fellowshipping with gentile ones, the Apostles are simply making basic rules that will allow them to meet together with a clear conscience. These 4 points are not the only doctrine that a new gentile believer will have to learn, but they are a starting point, as the next verse clearly states that the gentiles will “hear the Torah each Sabbath that they meet” with the Jewish believers, clearly showing the still binding validity of the Sabbath and Torah, even after this decree.”

In vs 21. James points out the fact that The Torah of Moses is preached every Sabbath, KJV:”For Moses of Old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath day"  there fore The elders don’t need to teach or tell these people about the rest of the commandments, bc they fully expect them to Hear Torah every Sabbath as they go to synagogue, in turn they can learn the rest of Torah at Their own pace and not be overwhelmed or worried. And in vs. 22 we can see only after this truth was stated “THEN" the elders, apostles, is pleased and in agreement with the decision.
 

Edited February 4, 2020 by Yishai

[Yishai]

Also Note that Torah was written by The Fathers right hand, The Messiah sits at His Right hand, Messiah is the Word come to flesh, A breathing, Living Torah. John said the Messiah will immerse us with the Holy Spirit and by FIRE, Torah calls it's self a Firey Law. 

If people just understood what actually makes a sin a sin,is transgression of Torah 1st John 3:4

Also note The Authority that brought us The Law, "Thus sayeth YHWH" and "I am YHWH your Elohim" and The Authority of the Messiahs words, Mathew 5:17. It would require this same Authority to remove The Law as well,which never happens. 

He tells us the Reason why we are to Keep His Commands in the Torah, bc "I am YHWH your Elohim who brought you out of the land of Egypt" the other night it just came to me as I was laying down "you was also brought out of the land of Egypt" and it clicked, He saved The Israelites from Slavery, Paul teaches that we are Slaves to Sin of the flesh, So when we accept The Messiah into our Hearts we too become Israelites who was Saved from the land of Egypt(sin), Paul also taught that thru the Messiah we are the Seed of Abraham. 

Note how many time The Father says FOREVER in Torah. 

When you realize Paul was extremely Torah observant and that He would never contradict The Messiah or The Father, you can read His Letters in a whole new light. 

[Yishai]

3 minutes ago, DustyRoad said:

I see. We're supposed to keep the Law of Moses... is this a correct summation of your special interpretation of scripture,  @Yishai?

Its very simple, if I was talking to a person about Messiah, and they believed and had Faith I would then hand them the New Testament and say this is your Salvation, Then I would hand them The Torah and say this is your instructions and Law as a new citizen(salvation is the citzenship) then hand the remainder of the Tanach(OT) and say these are the Prophecys. 

[Tzephanyahu]

Well said @Yishai and welcome to the forum!

May YHWH continue to bless you with wisdom and insight. 

What a joy it is to follow His ways freely, right?  Not out of fear of curse of the Torah, but in loving wilful obedience. 

The Psalms are filled by David saying the same thing, especially in Psalm 119. 

Alas, prepare for a potential backlash from some who will strongly disagree with our understanding.  But the good news is that there is a growing number of people like us in this forum 

Love & Shalom 

[Yishai]

20 minutes ago, DustyRoad said:

Nowhere do I find mention of God's Holy Spirit in your routine, @Yishai. So in other words, it's all about the flesh. 

Total opposite, nothing fleshy about seeding Egypt as sin and us all as the slaves, the fleshly view is the very Vail Paul spoke of thats put over people's hearts when they read Torah, u seeing this as fleshy, is that Vail..when a person seeks The Father the Vail is lifted..And yes I said that John mentioned The Messiah would immerse us with the Holy Spirit and by FIRE, and Torah is called a Firey Law, the Holy Spirit or Ruach haKodesh is what writes Torah on our minds and hearts and enables us to not any longer be a slave to Sin. And since He saved us from Slavery we all should love and rejoice in His commmands. Also note only about 200 laws apoly to the average person, while USA has 15,000 to 50,000 federal laws.

Noah found Grace in the eyes of YHWH, Abraham was counted Rightoues from His faith, not his keeping of commands, these two things have always been what Saves people, its just as much of a false teaching to say we are saved by Law, than it is to say its abolished.

Edited February 4, 2020 by Yishai

[Yishai]

5 minutes ago, Tzephanyahu said:

Well said @Yishai and welcome to the forum!

May YHWH continue to bless you with wisdom and insight. 

What a joy it is to follow His ways freely, right?  Not out of fear of curse of the Torah, but in loving wilful obedience. 

The Psalms are filled by David saying the same thing, especially in Psalm 119. 

Alas, prepare for a potential backlash from some who will strongly disagree with our understanding.  But the good news is that there is a growing number of people like us in this forum 

Love & Shalom 

Thank you very much brother, and same to you and yours! if anyone chooses to contradict scripture, it would be easily disproven in a court of Law, out of the very contradictions being the proof they are wrong, we cannot read to contradict Messiah for sake of traditions,this was the problem the Pharisees also had.. thank you again my brother! May YHWH Bless everyone greatly in the name of Y'shua haMashiyach!

[Yishai]

Here is just a few verses to from acts to show Paul's Torah observance, so anyone can learn how to better understand, how to read his letters,  as he also taught all of his teachings align with his lifestyle and wanted people to act as he acts and do as he does..

Acts 21:24 “Take, the vow thyself with them, and bear the expense for them, that they may shave Their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and KEEPEST(TORAH) THE LAW"-HNB  also note: in vs.26 Paul even gave a offering/sacrifice in the Temple, after resurrection, if he had felt something was wrong with this we can rest assured he would not have done it!

Acts 23:6 “But when Saul perceived that one part were Sadducees and the other Pharisees, he cried out in the council, Men and brethren, I am a Pharisee, the son of a Pharisee: of the hope and resurrection of the dead I am called in question. 
8. For the Sadducees say that there is no resurrection, neither Angel, nor spirit: But the Pharisees confess both. 9. And there arose a great cry: and the scribes that were of the Pharisees part arose, and strove, saying, we find no evil in this man:” -HNB
So here we can see Paul openly proclaimed himself as a Pharisee After the resurrection, which is known to be the strictest Torah observer's of all the sects of Judaism, and furthermore the Pharisees could NOT deny this as truth, they seen no evil in him, he was telling the truth.    

Acts 24:14 “But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the Elohim of my fathers, believing All things which are written in the law and in the prophets”-HNB 
“But this indeed I acknowledge, that in that same doctrine of which they speak, I do serve the Elohim of my fathers, believing All the things which are written in Torah and in the prophets”-AENT  here we can see that Paul don’t just believe in some parts of Torah but every last bit and every letter of Torah and the prophets, does he believe.
 
Acts 25:8 “Meanwhile Paul maintained, that he had committed no offence, either against the Jewish Torah, or against the temple or against Caesar”-AENT  here the “Jewish Torah” is in contrast with oral law, Paul knew he was in Violation of oral Torah aka the Talmud, but by the Torah from Moses he walked upright, even the accusers can’t deny this fact.
 

Edited February 4, 2020 by Yishai

[Neighbor]

5 hours ago, Yishai said:

I am writing a full report

And placing it in General Discussion? -a place for Trinitarian Christians to have "general " discussions. 

 

 

[Yishai]

1 minute ago, Neighbor said:

And placing it in General Discussion? -a place for Trinitarian Christians to have "general " discussions. 

 

 

No my full report is not done yet, its alredy about 6 full pages haha, im going thru every book of the NT. Prolly gonna take awhile to be complete.

[Yishai]

Just now, maryjayne said:

So, are you opening up a discussion or simply preaching to us?

Are you open to other understanding of the scriptures you talk about and quote?

And where do Gentiles fit into your beliefs?

If a person is saved thru The Messiah, they are of the seed of Awraham and no longer a Gentile, if Messiahs spirit is inside of you, then you by Him, are the Seed of Awraham, and what you was born, died on the cross, and Now He lives in and thru you. Child of the spiritual/true Israel.