The Wolf two eyes

[Neighbor]

Hi,

May I suggest reading  praying and thinking upon  the scriptures? First thinking as example,  what passage(s) may mention eyes, and also wolves, doing that plus considering extra Biblical references to scripture numerics?

Within Genesis; there is the reference to Benjamin is a ravenous wolf. See Genesis 49:27 also go to a resource such as Bible Hub to see commentaries on that verse https://biblehub.com/genesis/49-27.htm   

Among those commentaries is one from Bereans that speaks of the blessings to the twelve tribes and Benjamin being as a ravenous wolf,-  infering the "seeing" of prey in the morning and dividing it in the evening.

 I do not suggest this is an answer!   I do suggest this is  a means of finding trails  of information about  eyes and wolves, for the purpose of gaining information perhaps even toward understanding a vision.

Also; there is value in learning scripture numerics.  7 ( seven ) is an obvious one as it repeats so often. The flaw in doing that comes about when one starts to use verse numbers to find hidden meaning or repeating themes since there were no verses at all in the Bible's content, until they were added much later than the writings themselves by man. They were added for ease of locating content, not for revealing hidden patterns within scripture. Though it is interesting to see how often a theme is repeated from one book to another at about the same verse number! That may simply be as result of discussing  a subject in the same way  as before, being simply a language's common structure.

Note: I use Ed Vallowe's book on Scripture Numerics often in my own studies. One link to  somee xposure ot his work is http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Bible/numerics.htm offered here simply as an example.

May God bless your inquiries into His word the Bible. May the Holy Spirit of God be your guide as you read think and pray on it all.

 

[dhchristian]

Just now, Godismyloveforever said:

What do you have to say about the number 117? 

Not Much, other than psalm 117 is the shortest chapter in the Bible and the middle chapter in the Bible. 

[ahmedcrow]

4 minutes ago, DustyRoad said:

I'm sorry this is happening to you... it happened to me as well last year. It hurt deeply but I learned something valuable from the experience: it's okay. The Lord knows the truth my friend even if those who claim to be your brother or sister don't. Thank you for sharing because you encourage me to stop being so timid and easily ruled by others. The Lord bless you!

 

Your words touched my heart, it's my job to support people for Jesus. Keep your relationship with Jesus, never leave praying, Jesus is true, it's not just mental word, it's a relation you live and touch. If you thought that there's someone in world can think to stop any gift comes from heaven to you or anyone of people in world, it's true, a vision showed me that someones try to stop any bless or gift come from heaven, it's true.

[1to3]

3 hours ago, Godismyloveforever said:

What is S verse????

 

Godismyloveforever;

Just to say, your have brought a good jolly belly laugh  out of me today. I have been needing of one for a long time.

Praise God, Laughter is a good medicine!

^" The Lord bless thee, and keep thee:

 The Lord make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:

 The Lord lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace." Amen!Amen!

In christ Jesus always;

1to3

[dhchristian]

Just now, Godismyloveforever said:

Ok. I was hoping for some number crunching based on the things said in links you posted.

I am not really into that numerology stuff, some others may be more familiar with it. I just Know about the Heptadic structure thing from studying the codexes used for translations, even that was long time ago so I had a hard time finding it to post here. My Brain may not be the size of a goldfish yet as @Aimes but it is getting there especially regarding names and details. If You read the Ivan Panin link,he wrote over 40,000 pages on the heptadic structure. Amazing in and of itself. 

[missmuffet]

52 minutes ago, DustyRoad said:

I didn't know God when He spoke to me, @missmuffet. How does your doctrine deal with that? According to your logic and what you keep posting in this forum --- clearly you don't believe anyone experiences visions from the Lord nor are given gifts of the Spirit --- what I experienced couldn't have been from the Lord because I was a denier who didn't believe in Him.

You're welcome to deny it but that's exactly what your cessationist posting stipulates. If the Lord didn't spare me then who did, missmuffet?

Did I say that no one experiences visions? No, I stated "We need to be careful when it comes to visions and interpretation of visions".

[1to3]

1 hour ago, missmuffet said:

We need to be careful when it comes to visions and interpretation of visions. The Bible is finished, it tells us everything we need to know. If God were to give visions, it would agree with what we already know. What God has already revealed to us. 

 

Joel 2:28-32

King James Version

²⁸ And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

²⁹ And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.

³⁰ And I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.

³¹ The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of the Lord come.

³² And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the Lord hath said, and in the remnant whom the Lord shall call.

Acts 2:15-21

¹⁵ For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.

¹⁶ But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

¹⁷ And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

¹⁸ And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

¹⁹ And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:

²⁰ The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come:

²¹ And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

[Aimes]

55 minutes ago, dhchristian said:

 My Brain may not be the size of a goldfish yet as @Aimes but it is getting there especially regarding names and details. If You read the Ivan Panin link,he wrote over 40,000 pages on the heptadic structure. Amazing in and of itself. 

*ponders changing user name to "fishbrain" as that would really confuse folks*

[missmuffet]

9 minutes ago, DustyRoad said:

You avoided answering my question, @missmuffet. You'll write it and put it out there --- you're a cessationist according to your own words here as well as elsewhere --- and I'm not surprised to find this taken to "you clearly misunderstand what I wrote" so swiftly. You deny that God's Spirit moves in the present day but when another member takes issue with your cessationsism, you upbraid them for misunderstanding your denial?

Doesn't make a lick of sense. You're a cessationist who doesn't deny that God's Spirit moves... so why do you identify as a cessationist? 

 

Question: "Is cessationism biblical? What is a cessationist?"

Answer: Cessationism is the view that the “miracle gifts” of tongues and healing have ceased—that the end of the apostolic age brought about a cessation of the miracles associated with that age. Most cessationists believe that, while God can and still does perform miracles today, the Holy Spirit no longer uses individuals to perform miraculous signs.

The biblical record shows that miracles occurred during particular periods for the specific purpose of authenticating a new message from God. Moses was enabled to perform miracles to authenticate his ministry before Pharaoh (Exodus 4:1-8). Elijah was given miracles to authenticate his ministry before Ahab (1 Kings 17:1; 18:24). The apostles were given miracles to authenticate their ministry before Israel (Acts 4:10, 16).

Jesus’ ministry was also marked by miracles, which the Apostle John calls “signs” (John 2:11). John’s point is that the miracles were proofs of the authenticity of Jesus’ message.

After Jesus’ resurrection, as the Church was being established and the New Testament was being written, the apostles demonstrated “signs” such as tongues and the power to heal. “Tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not” (1 Corinthians 14:22, a verse that plainly says the gift was never intended to edify the church).

The Apostle Paul predicted that the gift of tongues would cease (1 Corinthians 13:8). Here are six proofs that it has already ceased:

1) The apostles, through whom tongues came, were unique in the history of the church. Once their ministry was accomplished, the need for authenticating signs ceased to exist.

2) The miracle (or sign) gifts are only mentioned in the earliest epistles, such as 1 Corinthians. Later books, such as Ephesians and Romans, contain detailed passages on the gifts of the Spirit, but the miracle gifts are not mentioned, although Romans does mention the gift of prophecy. The Greek word translated “prophecy” means “speaking forth” and does not necessarily include prediction of the future.

3) The gift of tongues was a sign to unbelieving Israel that God’s salvation was now available to other nations. See 1 Corinthians 14:21-22 and Isaiah 28:11-12.

4) Tongues was an inferior gift to prophecy (preaching). Preaching the Word of God edifies believers, whereas tongues does not. Believers are told to seek prophesying over speaking in tongues (1 Corinthians 14:1-3).

5) History indicates that tongues did cease. Tongues are not mentioned at all by the Post-Apostolic Fathers. Other writers such as Justin Martyr, Origen, Chrysostom, and Augustine considered tongues something that happened only in the earliest days of the Church.

6) There are indications that the miracle of tongues has ceased. If the gift were still available today, there would be no need for missionaries to attend language school. Missionaries would be able to travel to any country and speak any language fluently, just as the apostles were able to speak in Acts 2. As for the miracle gift of healing, we see in Scripture that healing was associated with the ministry of Jesus and the apostles (Luke 9:1-2). And we see that as the era of the apostles drew to a close, healing, like tongues, became less frequent. The Apostle Paul, who raised Eutychus from the dead (Acts 20:9-12), did not heal Epaphroditus (Philippians 2:25-27), Trophimus (2 Timothy 4:20), Timothy (1 Timothy 5:23), or even himself (2 Corinthians 12:7-9). The reasons for Paul’s “failures to heal” are 1) the gift was never intended to make every Christian well, but to authenticate apostleship; and 2) the authority of the apostles had been sufficiently proved, making further miracles unnecessary.

The reasons stated above are evidence for cessationism. According to 1 Corinthians 13:13-14:1, we would do well to “pursue love,” the greatest gift of all. If we are to desire gifts, we should desire to speak forth the Word of God, that all may be edified.

https://www.gotquestions.org/cessationism.html

Edited February 11, 2020 by missmuffet

[dhchristian]

Just now, DustyRoad said:

Just now, missmuffet said:

The reasons stated above are evidence for cessationism. According to 1 Corinthians 13:13-14:1, we would do well to “pursue love,” the greatest gift of all. If we are to desire gifts, we should desire to speak forth the Word of God, that all may be edified.

https://www.gotquestions.org/cessationism.html

You copied and pasted something from a website... well alright then, @missmuffet. I recall George bringing that activity up not too long ago in a negative light but that's okay because you engage in it frequently . Pasting what someone else wrote is your response to my confusion regarding your cessationism? 

Here is the flipside of this debate: Not going to copy and paste as it is longer. Just the opening paragraph

https://www.gotquestions.org/continuationism.html

Please note, as a ministry, GotQuestions.org is not in agreement with continuationism. The article below is written by someone who holds to continuationism. We thought it would be worthwhile to have an article that positively presents continuationism, as it is always good for our viewpoints to be challenged, motivating us to further search the Scriptures to make sure our beliefs are biblically sound.

Question: "What is continuationism? What is a continuationist?"

I myself am a continuationist, But a limited one. Scripture is no more being written by inspiration, but the Word of Prophecy for edification continues on to this day. God Has his Prophets for every generation to guide them. For example I view A.W. Tozer a Prophet of this Laodicean church age. I do not see his words as scripture or worship him But His relevance to our modern day is unequalled, and is why I quote Him so often.