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[Alive]

21 minutes ago, other one said:

 

Might I add into it just something to think about.....    the Chinese society is also different than western thought as is Japanese and much of the East Asian people.  The government has a lot to do with it all, but there is still the social differences that add to the differences also.   I am not saying the social structure of the Chinese is bad like the government but it does add to the things happening and why.

 

I agree...in general there is a different outlook on the value of life and morality. What I had in mind when I phrased it that way is the great many Christians that live in China, whose minds have been changed.

[just_abc]

1 hour ago, Alive said:

Yes—that s what I meant. I purposely avoided saying the Chinese people. 

hi.  Thanks for clarifying.  

 

1 hour ago, other one said:

Might I add into it just something to think about.....    the Chinese society is also different than western thought as is Japanese and much of the East Asian people.  The government has a lot to do with it all, but there is still the social differences that add to the differences also.  

There can sometimes be cultural and /or societal differences even between Christians from different parts of the world.  Whether this has had any effect on the spread of the virus..or not at all.. this I have no idea.... 

But I think there has sometimes been possible misunderstanding (or perhaps even possible borderline cultural bigotry etc? i dunno).. by some folk.. after the outbreak started.  And to me I find that extremely frustrating and sad

 

Edited February 15, 2020 by just_abc

[just_abc]

1 hour ago, Alive said:

I agree...in general there is a different outlook on the value of life and morality. What I had in mind when I phrased it that way is the great many Christians that live in China, whose minds have been changed.

No matter which part of the world a person lives in.. (even if they are from a western society).. a person is changed when they become a Christian..

If I may share my personal opinion? (please forgive me if I am speaking too frankly) : 

Christians from Asia are still asian and often still have many asian cultural or societal values (as long as it is not something that is against what the Bible says etc.)

Asian Christians don't automatically become westerners.... 

And western Christians don't automatically become asian.

 

Sorry just some general thoughts thats all.  Truly no offence intended to anyone.  Thank you.

Edited February 15, 2020 by just_abc

[Alive]

7 minutes ago, just_abc said:

No matter which part of the world a person lives in.. (even if they are from a western society).. a person is changed when they become a Christian..

If I may share my personal opinion? (please forgive me if I am speaking too frankly) : 

Christians from Asia are still asian and often still have many asian cultural or societal values (as long as it is not something that is against what the Bible says etc.)

Asian Christians don't automatically become westerners.... 

And western Christians don't automatically become asian.

 

Sorry just some general thoughts thats all.  Truly no offence intended to anyone.  Thank you.

I think you are making good sense. No need to be sorry. There is no offense.

[frienduff thaylorde]

2 hours ago, Heleadethme said:

Life as we know it could so easily and drastically change overnight if the Lord so wills......everything in this world that can be shaken will be shaken soon......we need to have our trust in the Lord and not in this world.

Exactly dear sister .      exactly .     And did not our Lord say , there would be famines and pestilences and so forth .     JESUS spoke of something called the beginning of SORROWS .

We never know what is coming from day to day ,  BUT GOD DOES and HE IS IN CONTROL and has given the lambs what is necessary in Christ to be found faithful and endure .

GOD is in control .   HE KNEW what was coming ,  and HE told us what to look for ,   so did the apostels .

We have to get to the point of trusting in HE ALONE .    If men trust in men and govts ,   they wont make it .   Times will get worse and when the deceivers of this world 

who have led folks into a snare of trusting in men holler out solutions ,  we better not heed or trust in man .    This whole world could get lit up with whatever is allowed to happen , wars , famines , pestilence , fearful sites 

and so forth .    and many are gonna be fearful , scared ,  and having no real trust and faith will lean upon man and NOT GOD and will be deceived into something far worse .    into the lie .

Whether through temptations and lusts or through fear of losing something or persecution , or some care and pleasure in life ,  many souls are lost .

HOPE THOU ,  TRUST THOU ,   IN GOD ALONE .    You are right dear sister .    You are correct .

[BibleStudent100]

In the Bible, we have examples of prayers of intercession by God’s servants to remove plagues; perhaps we should ponder such a response from Christians:

“If a famine occurs in the land, or a pestilence, a scorching blight, mildew, swarming locusts, or voracious locusts; or if their enemy besieges them in any of the cities of the land or if any other sort of plague or disease occurs, ³⁸ whatever prayer, whatever request for favor may be made by any man or by all your people Israel (for each one knows the plague of his own heart) when they spread out their hands toward this house, ³⁹ then may you hear from the heavens, your dwelling place, and may you forgive and take action; and reward each one according to all his ways, for you know his heart (you alone truly know every human heart), ⁴⁰ so that they may fear you all the days they live on the land that you gave to our forefathers. (1 Kings 8:37-40)

[frienduff thaylorde]

Just now, BibleStudent100 said:

In the Bible, we have examples of prayers of intercession by God’s servants to remove plagues; perhaps we should ponder such a response from Christians:

“If a famine occurs in the land, or a pestilence, a scorching blight, mildew, swarming locusts, or voracious locusts; or if their enemy besieges them in any of the cities of the land or if any other sort of plague or disease occurs, ³⁸ whatever prayer, whatever request for favor may be made by any man or by all your people Israel (for each one knows the plague of his own heart) when they spread out their hands toward this house, ³⁹ then may you hear from the heavens, your dwelling place, and may you forgive and take action; and reward each one according to all his ways, for you know his heart (you alone truly know every human heart), ⁴⁰ so that they may fear you all the days they live on the land that you gave to our forefathers. (1 Kings 8:37-40)

This is tied into REPENTANCE .      And when even those who are and have been called By HIS NAME , or call upon HIS NAME have in large sold out HIS NAME ,    things get only worse .

We better pray those charlatons who are deceiving the flocks ,   cease their fleecings of inclusive lies .

And we better pray and massive sack clothe and ash repentance be made .      The only thing that actually STOPS any judgment is when said nation or churches ,  cease the evil they do , and HEED and TURN TO THE LORD .

Yet , in the last days we are also told the love of many would wax ice cold ,  so while I do pray many repent ,    I don't expect massive large numbers .    We in the last days and in those days 

JESUS warned of massive judgments that would come ,  and he says WHY ,     FOR THE LOVE of many wax cold because INQUITY abounds .   And when even the inclusive house who uses HIS NAME 

supports such evil in the name of a dead false inclusive love ,  OH DEAR I would not expect big blessings on that house nor any who do sit under those and heed what they teach .

I agree we can pray ,  but my advice is , if in any shape , form , fashion or way ,  anyone is attached to this unity move of making the church into one big inclusive house ,  BETTER FLEE such as do encourage this .

COME YE OUT from among them ,   lest ye receive of her sins and receive of her plagues .    Come YE OUT ,   LET all who names the name of JESUS ,  COME YE OUT .   Its not gonna end well for all 

who stayed and remained under her ecumuincal inclusive umbrella .      

[frienduff thaylorde]

I highly encourage all to cease from heeding men who are prophesying of peace ,  prosperity ,  unity that in truth its center is on humanity NOT CHRIST ,   

For in all I read in the bible ,  when times get plunged into moral decay , and the people who even claimed his name were PART of it and encouraged it ,     JUDGMENT CAME .

and while the true ones were always prophesying with the message that said REPENT YE ,  REPENT YE ,  the majority heeded them not , they heeded the ones who prophesied SMOOTH THINGS and PEACE 

JUST like they doing today .      My advice ,   COME YE OUT FROM AMONG THEM and BE YE HOLY ,   touch not the unclean thing .    And exhort daily on bible truth , on the wholesome words of Christ 

on the glorious gospel ,  on all things WHICH PLEASE GOD .      

[Heleadethme]

3 hours ago, Jostler said:

Is that really even a question?     The last book in the Bible is the Revelation of JESUS CRHIST,  moving through His Body.  One move after another, thwarting the designs and intentions of a would-be usurper.  People who read it as a revelation of the beast and the dragon do err     The question is who will be around to witness His final move....the key is to find what is not shaking.  Because everything that can be shaken will be, so that what cannot be shaken will be all that remains.  What cannot be shaken, is the Kingdom, and it's rightful King.   When the shaking begins, flee to that....and yes, between now and then will come a separation.  And a harvest.

okay, some more questions to ponder and see where the Lord takes us, it all makes me tremble.....remember how the President used to be a friend and supporter of the Democrats.......think about that for a minute.......and well, what if the stone that the globalist builders rejected is become the capstone.  And what if there is a resemblance also in that this is one whom most men despiseth and who the nation abhorreth (Isaiah 49:7)....and who they do not give the honour of the kingdom (the respect due to his position) as spoken of in Daniel (like Jesus was not given the honour of His kingdom).   It is not surprising that the "anti" would have some resemblances to the true Christ.  So it's very important that we be prepared and determined in our hearts like Daniel with Nebbuchadnezzar, to give due respect and obey the authority of one who God raises up to rule  earthly kingdoms, but not worship him, because at the same time we know who our true King is and how we must remain true to Him after the righteous example of Daniel.

Another question, what was God's purpose for raising up Cyrus (Medes/Persians)?  As we know from scripture it was for the take-over of "Babylon" and essentially meant the destruction and judgment of that kingdom.........and at the same time very much for the purpose of building back up the fortunes of the earthly kingdom of Israel/Zion, as well as build a Temple.   And to free the "captives" of Babylon to return to their homeland to help rebuild it.  With all these things in mind I believe we are witnessing the times of the Gentiles coming to a close and Israel's star is rising to become the head of nations according to God's word.  But what does that mean for the follower of Christ.....it means nothing to us really, it's neither here nor there, because we are not citizens of THIS world which is appointed unto wrath........EXCEPT that it alerts us to how late the hour is and what season we are in and reminds us that the Lord is watching over His word to perform it....SO THAT the knowledge of HIS power and how HE is truly sovereign and reigning over everything that happens will comfort and strengthen us in our coming afflictions, not to worship the image of the beast.  But our mandate as His faithful remnant church  remains exactly the same, unchanged one iota....preach the gospel to the lost (which includes unbelieving Israel) and do not bow down to the idols of this world.

Edited February 15, 2020 by Heleadethme

[Dennis1209]

8 hours ago, just_abc said:

hi 

I hope it is ok for me to ask.  But what do you mean by "chinese system" ?  Are you refering to the china government?  Was just wondering thats all.  I hope it is ok to ask.  Thank you!

 

May I expand just a bit more on what has been said already?

People that don't know their history are doomed to repeat it. All great and powerful nations have a shelf life. Every nation throughout history is cyclic, meaning. A people / nation being indentured, under the kings thumb [government], oppressed and poor. Then rebellion and overthrow occurs, which starts bringing in peace, wealth, abundance, prosperity and freedom. Directly followed by apathy, expectation, entitlement and right to free everything [bread & circuses]. Followed by; government dependence, expectation, giving up some freedoms for security, higher taxes, giving leadership more and more power. Then eventually the nation and people cycle returns to oppression of the people, poverty, dictatorship and servitude.

What and how many guns do Chinese citizens own to fight off government tyranny? What has our socialist and elite government leaders been doing to get the guns out of Americans hands? We are also about to go to the next stage of the historic cyclic event.

Forced abortions: Chinese policy and law is, or was because of over population control; every female fetus [child] had to be aborted [in some cases allowed to keep one female child]. In China, the people have no God given rights, as a nation and dictatorship they don't believe in God. The few if any rights they have are granted by the government; and a government giveth and taketh away at will. Do you see this happening more frequently in the U.S.?