Dissociative Identity Disorder (formerly Multiple Personality Disorder)

[Purplewavyline]

2 minutes ago, Abby-Joy said:

Were you aware that all infants dissociate naturally (without amnesic barriers)? But ongoing trauma is what necessitates amnesic barriers and separates dissociative states.

There have been many failed cases of programming (speaking of SRA/MK) on ones who were unable to split and create alter systems. And many programmers specifically choose whom they will work with based on their IQ, to assure success in creating highly complex systems. 

Maybe I should have specified that this is especially in relation to DID with SRA/MK involvement. 

OK, naturally dissociate /more than is normal/. 

And that is not relevant 2 our situation, weird thing 2 bring up lol

[Purplewavyline]

1 minute ago, Abby-Joy said:

Why is it weird? And which part? Do you mean about SRA/MK? If so, that is because that is my history and it of course, I developed a very complex system...in fact, thousands of systems. 

Oh its just a rly specific thing to try an apply to the entire did/osdd community is all. Ritual abuse for eg is more likely 2 create a polyfragmented system (like yours) than other traumas. 

[other one]

6 hours ago, Purplewavyline said:

Ava isn't here rn but I'll try 2 answer in her place cos idk when she'll be back. 

We aren't looking 4 a cure, esp a religious one. We're happy with seeking treatment from an actual medical professional, and not 2 cure us but 2 work best together. P sure she was looking for an answer 2 "where do we go when we die?" rather than how to cure us. Thx. 

Hi there again...   I like to keep up with those I'm talking with, if Ava isn't available what should I call you?

So as to understand if I have/need to repeat myself, will Ava be able to remember what I say here.   When I write does your whole system understand and remember what is said or is it like talking to totally different people that do not know or remember when a different other has taken over things?   People are different in these ways but it is helpful if we know.

Also for the protection of us getting to know each other are there triggers I should really avoid...   last thing in the world I need it to make your system dislike me.

 

Just a note, some here don't understand texting shortcuts so be patient with us if we don't exactly understand...

[Purplewavyline]

8 minutes ago, other one said:

Hi there again...   I like to keep up with those I'm talking with, if Ava isn't available what should I call you?

So as to understand if I have/need to repeat myself, will Ava be able to remember what I say here.   When I write does your whole system understand and remember what is said or is it like talking to totally different people that do not know or remember when a different other has taken over things?   People are different in these ways but it is helpful if we know.

Also for the protection of us getting to know each other are there triggers I should really avoid...   last thing in the world I need it to make your system dislike me.

 

Just a note, some here don't understand texting shortcuts so be patient with us if we don't exactly understand...

I'm the host. U can call me host. Ava won't remember, we have almost total amnesia between alters most of the time, but she'll just read thru, or if she doesn't front 4 a while I can summarise. It gets annoying if ppl have 2 repeat themselves all the time lol. 

In terms of triggers, its p much common sense with us, if u think something cld be triggering don't go into detail without asking 1st. Unless ur talking 2 a trauma holder, which I and Ava are not, just mentions of stuff generally isn't enough to trigger us. 

[other one]

32 minutes ago, Purplewavyline said:

I'm the host. U can call me host. Ava won't remember, we have almost total amnesia between alters most of the time, but she'll just read thru, or if she doesn't front 4 a while I can summarise. It gets annoying if ppl have 2 repeat themselves all the time lol. 

In terms of triggers, its p much common sense with us, if u think something cld be triggering don't go into detail without asking 1st. Unless ur talking 2 a trauma holder, which I and Ava are not, just mentions of stuff generally isn't enough to trigger us. 

That's cool Host...   so now I really need to know if you are a Christian, for it may well be that the spirit that we are concerned with is tied to you..   I'm no expert in DID spirits so what I would say is just my opinion.   But it seems to me that Ava is trying to cover and protect you in both this world and the one to come.   So somewhere down the line I got the opinion that Ava is the only saved one among you; is that right, or do you know?

Another thing I do really need to know to understand is if you disassociated over general abuse or did someone cause it purposefully.  Abbey was used in the MK-Ultra program so was disassociated by professionals for a purpose...   I have other friends who were disassociated from Satan Ritual Abuse and to have a long term conversation with those one has to be a lot more careful; and others that were just abused by their parents or family members out of sexual desires or just plain meanness.

So, back to your main question, it is my personal belief that Host has the spirit tied to her/him and Ava is protecting Host and spirit from spending eternity with the Devil.   Which is what "other's" do.   So from me personally I would like to see Ava getting Host to accept Jesus to take the whole bunch of you out of harm's way.  If that can't happen then I just have to trust Jesus himself to take care of it but that decision is way above any of our pay grades.

[Purplewavyline]

8 minutes ago, other one said:

That's cool Host...   so now I really need to know if you are a Christian, for it may well be that the spirit that we are concerned with is tied to you..   I'm no expert in DID spirits so what I would say is just my opinion.   But it seems to me that Ava is trying to cover and protect you in both this world and the one to come.   So somewhere down the line I got the opinion that Ava is the only saved one among you; is that right, or do you know?

One think I do really need to know to understand is if you disassociated over general abuse or did someone cause it purposefully.  Abbey was used in the MK-Ultra program so was disassociated by professionals for a purpose...   I have other friends who were disassociated from Satan Ritual Abuse and to have a long term conversation with those one has to be a lot more careful.

So it is my personal belief that Host has the spirit tied to her/him and Ava is protecting Host from spending eternity with the Devil.   Which is what other's do.   So from me personally I would like to see Ava getting Host to accept Jesus to take the whole bunch of you out of harm's way.

I have literally zero interest in christianity, but idc what other ppl believe if they don't push it on me. Ava can believe what she likes bt she knows if she tries 2 evangelise 2 me I will b very unhappy with her, and I know its the same with the others. She knows this am respects our wishes. There will be no "accepting of jesus" from me or most of the others. 

Our trauma was not a deliberate attempt to fragment us, that is v uncommon. 

[other one]

1 minute ago, Purplewavyline said:

I have literally zero interest in christianity, but idc what other ppl believe if they don't push it on me. Ava can believe what she likes bt she knows if she tries 2 evangelise 2 me I will b very unhappy with her, and I know its the same with the others. She knows this am respects our wishes. There will be no "accepting of jesus" from me or most of the others. 

Our trauma was not a deliberate attempt to fragment us, that is v uncommon. 

Well, God seems to have a way to make things happen so I really have to leave that up to him, but I would think that puts you into a rather precarious place eternally speaking.   I can certainly understand why Ava is concerned...

[other one]

2 hours ago, Purplewavyline said:

See the thing is if I don't believe hell exists u can't threaten me with hell lol

I didn't pledge my future with Jesus as a fire insurance policy..   I am not concerned with Hell at all Host.   I've just studied and experienced both Satan and Jesus for years in my life several years ago, and found Jesus to be the most loving and caring entity in the Universe, and I found the way to spend eternity with him....   doesn't have anything at all to do with Hell or fear of it.    Most of the people I know that supposedly turned to Jesus out of fear of hell some time in their lives fell away from their first feelings of him.

And other than Jesus telling me to care for others and offer them the real truth of who he is, it's really nothing to me if you ever come to him or not....   it really does make me sad when people don't....   but hey we all make our own decisions....

I'm guessing Ava would understand...

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Edited February 26, 2020 by Eveleen

[AnOrangeCat]

Just tossing my two cents in here. From a scriptural perspective we don't have any clear instances of DID and DID-like conditions except for one, which you feel isn't applicable to you so I'll take your word for it there. So moving on...

1) To the best of my knowledge I don't see anything in the Bible to support the notion of one person having multiple human souls. There's a lot that isn't explicitly called out by name or even implied in the Bible that still exists, but this is something where it's potentially dangerous to assume the existence of spiritual conditions the Bible is silent on.

2) One thing that's abundantly clear is that we all have our own temptations, physical and mental weaknesses, and so on to struggle against. Often these struggles will continue throughout our entire lives and we'll have a lot of failures before it's all done with. DID, while rare, ultimately falls under the same category.

3) While this might be a potentially unwelcome opinion and could be seen as harsh (it's not intended to be), I feel that I would be amiss in not bringing it up. Jesus stated something very plainly: No one can serve two masters. I fully believe that God cuts us a lot of slack based on our conditions and that we're not saved by our own works, but at the same time actions are a demonstration of our love and priorities. The Bible repeatedly speaks of resisting and putting away sin, sometimes using some very strong metaphors like speaking of crucifying the flesh (Galatians 5:24) and what Jesus said if our eye causes us to sin (again, metaphor!). Like I said before we're bound to fail a lot, but it's still good to show we care and want to do the right thing.

The opening post you made mentioned some issues and severe negative experience with religion. I do feel like you should try to resolve that in whatever way you feel led to do and give yourself ample time to do it.