Is Theistic Evolution Tenable?

[Behold]

4 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

No.   God's word is holy and true, but it is not God.  Bibliolatry is a serious error, and an affront to God.

 

 

 

God and His word are one and the same.

"Biblioatry", is a phrase created by carnal people who can't discern the word of God, so they instead try to refute it using their opinion.

Be careful, as when you make your God your opinion, you have truly lost your way.

My advice to you, is to use whatever time you have left, to find a way to get along with God and His word in pubic.

Edited March 30, 2020 by Behold

[The Barbarian]

2 hours ago, Behold said:

God and His word are one and the same.

No.  God is the creator of the universe.   The Bible is holy and God's word, but it is not God.  It is wrong to worship the Bible.   And be careful, as when you make your God your opinion, you have truly lost your way.   Being a YE creationist won't cost you your salvation.   Making an idol of the Bible might be such an error.   Only worship God, not a book of His words to us.

 

 

 

 

[The Barbarian]

As you now realize, even many ancient Jewish theologians knew that Genesis is an allegory.   So did many ancient Christians.    Your exceptions notwithstanding.    Instead of revising His word, just accept it as it is.   

 

[Behold]

1 hour ago, The Barbarian said:

No.  God is the creator of the universe.   The Bible is holy and God's word, but it is not God.  It is wrong to worship the Bible.   And be careful, as when you make your God your opinion, you have truly lost your way.   Being a YE creationist won't cost you your salvation.   Making an idol of the Bible might be such an error.   Only worship God, not a book of His words to us.

If you understood how Jesus felt about the scriptures, that He called them Life, Food, and Light., then you would understand something about the bible that you don't yet understand.

Its this,=  Jesus is IN it, He's on every page, in every letter, cover to cover.  Not only does it describe Him in the Old Testament, it reveals Him in the New Testament.

And in case you didnt know, Jesus IS The New Testament.

What does this mean?    It means that God who is Christ the Word made flesh, wrote the Bible, and anointed men just wrote it down.

The Bible is God's word, created by God, and written down by chosen vessels.   When they were writing the Old Testament, and when they were writing the New Testament, they were simply taking Spiritual Dictation from God Almighty.

Why dont you know this ????? , is something you might consider.

The words in a Bible, are the seed of God that are planted in the human heart as "The Gospel" as "LIFE".    The words in a bible are the literal seed of regeneration that are active, living, and eternal.

Long after you have stopped showing up on Forums like this one to deny the Bible, which is to reject the One who wrote it, the Bible will still be here leading, teaching, and empowering, because it has God in it, on every page.

Its a "HOLY" Book, because the God who wrote it is a HOLY God.

What are you?

Edited March 30, 2020 by Behold

[The Barbarian]

3 hours ago, Behold said:

If you understood how Jesus felt about the scriptures, that He called them Life, Food, and Light.,

Didn't call them God, though.   And there's a reason for that. 

3 hours ago, Behold said:

Long after you have stopped showing up on Forums like this one to deny the Bible,

I just told you that the Bible is holy and God's word.    The fact that you consider that to be denying the Bible, is telling.

3 hours ago, Behold said:

Its a "HOLY" Book, because the God who wrote it is a HOLY God.

But it isn't God, and it's very wrong to worship it.

3 hours ago, Behold said:

What are you?

And orthodox Trinitarian Christian, who doesn't confuse God with His word.

 

 

[Behold]

10 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

Didn't call them God, though.   And there's a reason for that. 

I just told you that the Bible is holy and God's word.    The fact that you consider that to be denying the Bible, is telling.

But it isn't God, and it's very wrong to worship it.

And orthodox Trinitarian Christian, who doesn't confuse God with His word.

 

 

 

Let me show you something that you've not realized.

First a question..

The Bible, teaches that the "name of JESUS is above ALL OTHER NAMES".....

Thats a spiritual Truth.....    So, do you believe this?

 

Now notice this verse very carefuly, and then im finished, here.

Psalm 138:2 

""" I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou GOD hast magnified  THY WORD ABOVE THY NAME""".

So, that is my answer, as that is GOD's final answer to you.

My answer is...."God has MAGNIFIED HIS word, = ABOVE HIS NAME".....

Do you understand the definition of the word "magnified".   Do you understand that Jesus is the name of God manifested in the FLESH, are you aware of this?

Do you understand that  Jehovah is considered the name of GOD, the Father?

THOSE ARE THEIR NAMES..   Do you understand?

And yet, God Himself, esteems the word .......*THE BIBLE"....*THE WORDS OF SCRIPTURE" = above His very own NAME(s).

So, The BIBLE is to be adored, believed, and defended, and recognized as a LIVING BOOK, containing the words of God that God magnifies ABOVE His very on NAME.

 

OK, im finished here, as i said.

 

 

B

Edited March 31, 2020 by Behold

[The Barbarian]

8 hours ago, Behold said:

First a question..

The Bible, teaches that the "name of JESUS is above ALL OTHER NAMES".....

Thats a spiritual Truth.....    So, do you believe this?

Let me show you something you have not realized:

Phillipians 2:9 Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name,

So the Father has exalted Him and and bestowed on him the name that is above every name.   Do you think that the name of Jesus is above the name of the Father?

Let us know what you think.

8 hours ago, Behold said:

Do you understand that  Jehovah is considered the name of GOD, the Father?

No, that's wrong.   The Israelites never knew the word "Jehovah."   That's a modern revision of "YHWH", which was pronounced "Yahwe."  

Worshiping the Bible is an act of idolatry.   And your Psalm says that God's word is set above God's name.  Which is not the same as saying that scripture is greater than God.

 

 

[omega2xx]

On 3/30/2020 at 10:09 AM, The Barbarian said:

I've presented you with dozens of them.   You are the spiritual descendant of the geocentrists who refused Galileo's offer to look into his telescope and see for themselves.

But they do.   The same genes that code for wings on bats and legs on humans, also code for fins on whales.   The same genes that code for nostrils, code for blowholes.   As your fellow YE creationist, Kurt Wise points out, these are confirmed by transitional forms.

Blowholes...  three stages of a whale in embryonic development.   Notice the nostrils form in the usual mammalian position,and then later move to the top of the head to form a blowhole.   Notice also the limb buds that form like those of most mammals, and then change shape to form flippers.

As you see, Wise is quite correct.   The evidence for the evolution of whales is very good.     On the other hand, you can't post any evidence to support your unbiblical and unscientific case.

Thanks for reaffirming that you don't have a clue as to what constitutes  verifiable evidence.  Pictures ARE NOT evidence.  Anyone can draw a picture then add traits for which there  is no evidence.  Pakicetus did not have genes for fins and a blowhole.  Gringich had to put them in the pictures to try and support his non-scientific fairy tale.  Whales have many traits that can't be traced back to a land animal, and if you even had a basic  understanding of genetics, you would know whale evolution like all evolution is a farce.  Whale evolution is just one of its worst examples.

 

 

[omega2xx]

On 3/31/2020 at 4:51 PM, The Barbarian said:

Let me show you something you have not realized:

Phillipians 2:9 Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name,

So the Father has exalted Him and and bestowed on him the name that is above every name.   Do you think that the name of Jesus is above the name of the Father?

Let me show you something you have not realized.  Jesus was God's earthly name, so we don't use it unless He is on earth.  His heavenly name is Emmanuel, God with us.  That makes Jesus God, and any name of God is above every earthly name.

Let us know what you think.

No, that's wrong.   The Israelites never knew the word "Jehovah."   That's a modern revision of "YHWH", which was pronounced "Yahwe."  

No that's wrong.   It is not a revision  of YHWH.  Jehovah is the  interpreters method of giving us a way to pronounce God's memorial name.

Worshiping the Bible is an act of idolatry.

I don't know where or how this statement got started but  it is one of the dumbest things someone can say of conservative Christians.  We don't pray to the Bible, we don't ask  it to save us.  WE respect it because it God speaking to  us to know Him better and to know what He expects of us.

 

 

   And your Psalm says that God's word is set above God's name.  Which is not the same as saying that scripture is greater than God.

 

 

 

[The Barbarian]

6 hours ago, omega2xx said:

Thanks for reaffirming that you don't have a clue as to what constitutes  verifiable evidence. 

Notice the actual photographs of whale embryos.   Notice how, as the embryo grows, the nostrils move from the front of the face to the top of the head.

Notice the photographs of the skulls of Pakicetus and Rhodocetus,and the movement of the nostrils back on the head.

No point in denial.  C'mon.

6 hours ago, omega2xx said:

Pakicetus did not have genes for fins and a blowhole.

It did have genes for legs and nostrils.    The same genes that make legs in land animals, make fins in whales.   Likewise, nostrils and blowholes.  Would you like learn more about that?

6 hours ago, omega2xx said:

Whales have many traits that can't be traced back to a land animal, and if you even had a basic  understanding of genetics, you would know whale evolution like all evolution is a farce.

As you have learned, you have many, many misconceptions about genetics.  This is just one of the major ones.

Adaptive Evolution of 5′HoxD Genes in the Origin and Diversification of the Cetacean Flipper

Zhe Wang, Lihong Yuan, Stephen J. Rossiter, Xueguo Zuo, Binghua Ru, Hui Zhong, Naijian Han, Gareth Jones, Paul D. Jepson, Shuyi Zhang

Author Notes

Molecular Biology and Evolution, Volume 26, Issue 3, March 2009, Pages 613–622

Abstract

The homeobox (Hox) genes Hoxd12 and Hoxd13 control digit patterning and limb formation in tetrapods. Both show strong expression in the limb bud during embryonic development, are highly conserved across vertebrates, and show mutations that are associated with carpal, metacarpal, and phalangeal deformities. The most dramatic evolutionary reorganization of the mammalian limb has occurred in cetaceans (whales, dolphins, and porpoises), in which the hind limbs have been lost and the forelimbs have evolved into paddle-shaped flippers. We reconstructed the phylogeny of digit patterning in mammals and inferred that digit number has changed twice in the evolution of the cetacean forelimb. First, the divergence of the early cetaceans from their even-toed relatives coincided with the reacquisition of the pentadactyl forelimb, whereas the ancestors of tetradactyl baleen whales (Mysticeti) later lost a digit again. To test whether the evolution of the cetacean forelimb is associated with positive selection or relaxation of Hoxd12 and Hoxd13, we sequenced these genes in a wide range of mammals. In Hoxd12, we found evidence of Darwinian selection associated with both episodes of cetacean forelimb reorganization. In Hoxd13, we found a novel expansion of a polyalanine tract in cetaceans compared with other mammals (17/18 residues vs. 14/15 residues, respectively), lengthening of which has previously been shown to be linked to synpolydactyly in humans and mice. Both genes also show much greater sequence variation among cetaceans than across other mammalian lineages. Our results strongly implicate 5′HoxD genes in the modulation of digit number, web forming, and the high morphological diversity of the cetacean manus.

Because genetics is a mystery to you, you knew nothing about this.   But geneticists know.    Why not take a little time, learn some basic things about genetics and it will go better for you.