Is Theistic Evolution Tenable?

[one.opinion]

47 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

death has nothing of God in it!

How did you get so confused that you think I'm claiming there is death in God?

[enoob57]

7 hours ago, one.opinion said:

How did you get so confused that you think I'm claiming there is death in God?

because according to theistic evolution it was part and parcel of God's use in creation making death a necessary portion of life
Gen 1:31-2:4

31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

2 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth a
KJV
 

[one.opinion]

So an immortal, spiritual Creator makes mortal, physical creation. How is this a problem, especially considering the fact that God does not call His creation perfect?

Is sin real? Did God create humanity with the capability to sin? Obviously, the answer is “yes” to both of these. By applying the same logic you have to death, you would be claiming that there is sin in God. The answer to that is obviously “no”.

Edited May 2, 2020 by one.opinion

[The Barbarian]

16 hours ago, enoob57 said:

Because we have had this conversation before and nothing will turn you from your predetermined mind on this... the moment they ate they began to physically die; they and only they knew the what the fall was really like spiritually and physically as we have all been born into the death...

But that isn't what God said.   He said they would die the day they ate from the tree.   And yet they live on physically for many years thereafter.  So if God tells the truth, the death was not a physical one.

And that settles it for me.

 

[The Barbarian]

16 hours ago, Paul James said:

Also, the order in which the Bible says the components of the world were created is totally different from the theory of evolution. 

You've assumed "evolution" means "science."   Evolutionary theory is only about living things and how they change over time.   But as you suggest, Genesis is contrary to reality, if (and only if) we assume it is a literal story.    The text itself says it's not literal history, since it is logically absurd to have mornings and evenings without a sun.

 

 

[The Barbarian]

16 hours ago, enoob57 said:

It was of course both... but the point is physical death was not before or else you have God stating a result of something already in effect.... what would be the point of warning them of that which was already in use? The major theological issue is life which is made in equality with Jesus statement of 'I AM' cannot have death in any form or else life is not life... it the fallacy of yes and no being equally same!

Genesis indicates that Adam and Eve were never immortal.   God mentions this in Genesis 3, when  He says:

Genesis 3:22 And he said: Behold Adam is become as one of us, knowing good and evil: now, therefore, lest perhaps he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever.

[enoob57]

7 hours ago, one.opinion said:

So an immortal, spiritual Creator makes mortal, physical creation. How is this a problem, especially considering the fact that God does not call His creation perfect?

Created in God's image... how long does God last and then know we were made in that reflection....

7 hours ago, one.opinion said:

Is sin real? Did God create humanity with the capability to sin? Obviously, the answer is “yes” to both of these. By applying the same logic you have to death, you would be claiming that there is sin in God. The answer to that is obviously “no”.

Sin has no reality in it that for it is the perversion of the eternal essence of truth... that is why God had to create a place for it called hell....

[one.opinion]

3 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

Created in God's image... how long does God last and then know we were made in that reflection....

How long will our spiritual selves last?

5 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

Sin has no reality in it that for it is the perversion of the eternal essence of truth... that is why God had to create a place for it called hell....

Now you appear to be just making stuff up...  You and I both know sin is real.

[enoob57]

5 hours ago, The Barbarian said:

But that isn't what God said.   He said they would die the day they ate from the tree.   And yet they live on physically for many years thereafter.  So if God tells the truth, the death was not a physical one.

They began that day when they ate to die an event beginning that day... you are the one saying it had to be death as you define it the verse does not
 

Gen 2:17

17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
KJV
Spiritual death yes immediate and physical without Spiritual life is death as well... when it occurs doesn't  really matter except for the possible rebirth of the now we are in....

[RBme]

Is Theistic Evolution Tenable?

I can only presume what is meant by the topic question of this thread. Since I came at such a late stage, I could not follow because of the various topics, arguments, etc... I looked at the profile of the gentleman that started this topic and it really didn't say anything about his beliefs but some of his posts suggests he is a believer. So, the following paragraphs are some of my thoughts on the general topic of Genesis 1-3.

Darwin's theory of evolution of species by natural selection can't be compared to the life's formation found in Genesis. The reason is because the universe; including earth's first stages of formation, did not include the evolution of animal life forms. Genesis excludes animal life forms by stating animal life, of any capacity, was created after earths formation. 

It is by no stretch of the imagination that God can instill evolution in animal life forms, if that is the case. Also, again, at no stretch of the imagination, all lower specie animals were created by God before He created mankind and mankind is still here as lower specie animals have come and gone through all of the ages. 

Your question about Darwin's theory seems to pose a concept that eliminates certain facts in order to jump into the middle of something that already exists and create a notion that something exists outside of all things pre-existing, and thus stands independent of all other facts that went before it. In other words, it's like jumping to the middle of 1000 page book and critiquing some event that happened in the middle of the story without acknowledging all events that occurred and is responsible for all that led to the event being critiqued.

The big bang theory, the black hole theory, Einstein's general and specific relative theories, and earth's evolution are all clues as to the truth of Genesis 1-3. In other words, in science, evidence is called theories but all form an opinion that somehow prove the Genesis account to be true. Genesis 1-3 does not lack.

 

Edited May 2, 2020 by RBme
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