REVELATION IS NOT ABOUT THE CHURCH

[douge]

On 6/22/2020 at 6:46 PM, Josheb said:

Furthermore, this remnant about whom Paul is writing has already been selected by God. As I pointed out the remnant about which Paul is writing is clearly state to exist at this present time (v. 11:5) in the first century when Paul was writing! That remnant is not a future remnant of the 21st century; it was a remnant occurring at the present time of the epistle's writing. 

Yes, at the time Paul was writing there were members in the body and also in the remnant of Israel

[douge]

5 hours ago, Josheb said:

I've already covered this: the Gentiles to whom he was writing were those "called of Jesus Christ" and "who are beloved of God, called as saints." They are most definitely Gentiles in the body of Christ.

Yes, and the remnant of Israel are also called as saints in Romans 1:7, not just the body. To say that only Gentiles in the body are being addressed in Romans 1:7 is to read into scripture, as you say, what is not there, and contradicts you saying that there are no Gentiles in the body anymore. In saying the Gentiles in Romans 11:13 are now called Gentiles after all, and in the body, contradicts saying that in the body there are no Gentiles.

[douge]

5 hours ago, Josheb said:

The remnant is not the "tree;" they are merely one branch of the long-existing tree. Gentile converts to Christ are another branch of that same tree. 

The tree is believing Israel, the house of God Psalm 52:8.

The broken branches is unbelieving Israel Romans 11:20

The branches are the remnant. If the broken branches have faith, then the broken branches will be grafted in again Romans 11:23

Yes the Gentiles are grafted in according to Romans 11:19, but the Gentiles are not in the body of Christ, but are in the remnant of Israel.

 

Edited June 24, 2020 by douge

[branchesofHim]

Wow. Lot's of reasoning here. Where is the truth of the matter? Shalom.

Revelation 20{[14] And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
[15] And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire

Edited June 26, 2020 by branchesofHim

[douge]

11 hours ago, Roar said:

Matthew 7 New King James Version (NKJV)

Do Not Judge

7 “Judge^[a] not, that you be not judged. ² For with what ^[b]judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you. ³ And why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? ⁴ Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove the speck from your eye’; and look, a plank is in your own eye? ⁵ Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

⁶ “Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces.

Keep Asking, Seeking, Knocking

⁷ “Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. ⁸ For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. ⁹ Or what man is there among you who, if his son asks for bread, will give him a stone? ¹⁰ Or if he asks for a fish, will he give him a serpent? ¹¹ If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask Him! ¹² Therefore, whatever you want men to do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.

The Narrow Way

¹³ “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. ^14 [c]Because narrow is the gate and ^[d]difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

You Will Know Them by Their Fruits

¹⁵ “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. ¹⁶ You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? ¹⁷ Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. ¹⁸ A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. ¹⁹ Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. ²⁰ Therefore by their fruits you will know them.

I Never Knew You

²¹ “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. ²² Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ ²³ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

Build on the Rock

²⁴ “Therefore whoever hears these sayings of Mine, and does them, I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on the rock: ²⁵ and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it did not fall, for it was founded on the rock.

²⁶ “But everyone who hears these sayings of Mine, and does not do them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand: ²⁷ and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it fell. And great was its fall.”

²⁸ And so it was, when Jesus had ended these sayings, that the people were astonished at His teaching, ²⁹ for He taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.

All of these verses are written to Israel who had to believe on the name of Jesus for eternal life, but to enter the kingdom on earth had to be faithful, fruitful and keep the commandments.

[branchesofHim]

Just now, Roar said:

All of these verses are written for the betterment of All who can read them and understand their meaning! "Some" do not have the spiritual discernment to ever do so.  

Indeed, indeed. Shalom.

[douge]

23 hours ago, douge said:

disregard

 

Edited June 27, 2020 by douge

[douge]

On 6/25/2020 at 10:34 PM, Roar said:

Therefore by their fruits you will know them.

Yes we can learn from all scripture, but isolating this from the verses you gave.....we are not to examine believers....this is for Israel in the tribulation to identify false believers....we should not directly apply all scripture.

All the verses you gave were to refute that believers in the body could be cut off.....only the remnant of Israel could be cut off.

[Leonardo Von]

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REVELATION IS NOT ABOUT THE CHURCH

I don't agree. After, Revelation 21 shows the great victory of the Church (the Bride of the Lamb), Her appearance and beauty to the eyes of Jesus.