Atheism And Ceasing To Exist Oblivion.

[Butch5]

22 hours ago, enoob57 said:

The translations I gave you cover about every branch of Christianity and it sounds like a conspiracy to what end exactly?

And what I gave you is what Jesus and the apostles said. Who do you think understood Koine Greek better, Jesus and the apostle or modern day theologians?

[Butch5]

8 hours ago, enoob57 said:

God tell us or defines for us what is meant by world here:
That which does not contain the breath of life
Job 33:4 (KJV) [4] The Spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life.

Ezekiel 37:9-14 (KJV) [9] Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live.
[10] So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army.
[11] ¶ Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.
[12] Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.
[13] And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,
[14] And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it, and performed it, saith the LORD.
Clearly that which was in the grave has not ceased...
Luke 16:22-31 (KJV)
[22] And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;
[23] And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
[24] And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
[25] But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.
[26] And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.
[27] Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:
[28] For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
[29] Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
[30] And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
[31] And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
 

This above being separated out from all else which was spoken into exist this is what ends
2 Peter 3:10-11 (KJV) [10] But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
[11] Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
 

The parable of Lazarus and the Rich Man is not about an afterlife, it's a judgement against the leadership of Israel. As far as the word world is concerned it has no bearing on the discussion. The word was aion. It was the aion that would end.

[enoob57]

14 hours ago, Butch5 said:

I'm not making anything easier. The Scriptures say what they say. I'm not sure how you think being dead is easier.

I don’t believe we are going to be able to reason together as you seem to be suggesting suffering eternally is equal to just cease in being... thanks for the discourse... 

[Butch5]

13 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

I don’t believe we are going to be able to reason together as you seem to be suggesting suffering eternally is equal to just cease in being... thanks for the discourse... 

I didn't say they were equal. What I'm saying is that the Bible doesn't teach that people will burn forever. It teaches that they will die. We are told in the Bible that when a man dies his breath returns to God and the body returns to dust. If the man breaks down and returns to dust he has ceased to exist. The thing about translations is that translators filter the Scriptures through what they believe. It's something everyone does. What we have to determine is, is what they beleive correct?