WE HAVE ATONEMENT

[douge]

Romans 5:11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

God has reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ (2 Corinthians 5:18), we have received the atonement, it is a present possession.

Through faith, God has justified those who believe (Romans 3:30), we have no part in our justification, but to believe (Romans 3:22).

[johnthebaptist]

3 hours ago, douge said:

Romans 5:11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

God has reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ (2 Corinthians 5:18), we have received the atonement, it is a present possession.

Through faith, God has justified those who believe (Romans 3:30), we have no part in our justification, but to believe (Romans 3:22).

And the Lord has commanded us to repent (Matt 4:17).

[douge]

1 hour ago, johnthebaptist said:

And the Lord has commanded us to repent (Matt 4:17).

But the rest of the verse says that the kingdom of heaven was at hand. The kingdom of heaven is the promised kingdom on earth, which, Israel had to repent of their need of cleansing, to be priests of God to enter.

Edited March 30, 2020 by douge

[Behold]

3 hours ago, johnthebaptist said:

And the Lord has commanded us to repent (Matt 4:17).

 

Let me offer some things from the NT to you.

We, the born again, are told to study the bible, vs, read it.   And we are told to "rightly divide" the word, itself.     To rightly divide the word requires a specific spiritual discernment which allows you to recognize some things about HOW to rightly divide it.  One of them is to understand that not all verses in the NT are written doctrinally to the "church" "body of Christ".    Another is, not all verses are to be taken literally, as many are parables, and others are symbolic or allegorical.

One of the big issues many believers have,  is trying to recognize when the New Testament and the doctrines defining New Testament Christians, began to come into effect.

For example.   Before Jesus was baptized, John the Baptist was teaching Jews, and not Gentiles, how to repent and  be baptized, as at THAT time, prior to the Lifting of the Cross, this was the OT's message.   And this message was to the "house of Israel".   Later, after the Cross was raised and Jesus rose from the Dead, and ascended back to the Father, He called a man name Saul to become an Apostle named Paul, and Jesus taught Paul, a specific redemptive doctrinal theology that was to be for all of mankind for a season, and specifically for the GENTILES.  This is why Paul is the "apostle to the Gentiles", and this is why at the time you are reading this, we are living in the "time of the Gentiles".   So, based on this, the New Testament is now dealing theologically specifically with Gentiles.  And so, redemption has been reevaluated by God, who said He "found fault with the 1st Covenant", or the "Old Testament", that contained the 10 Commandments and the Law...  The fault He found with it is that the Law and Commandments can't make you RIGHTEOUS< they can only show you your unrighteousness.  And so, He instituted a New Covenant and a New Testament that specifically defines  how He is NOW Dealing with Man, during the "time of the Gentiles".   And so, what we have now is not a offer of pardon of sin by GOD that is based on shedding the blood of animals or repenting while being baptized in Water, or at all......, but rather you have a  FREE offer of RIGHTEOUSNESS that is GIVEN AS A GIFT to "all who will "Believe the Gospel" and "Call on the Name of the Lord and you shall be SAVED" 

So, during the time of the Gentiles which is our time that began when the Cross was raised, and before the Great Tribulation starts, God is dealing with Man, specifically the Gentiles with a New Testament and a New Covenant, and a new offer of Eternal Redemption that is FAITH  based solely on the sacrifice and resurrection of God as Christ, on the Cross.   

In the time of the gentiles, which is were we are now according to the entire revealed Revelation of the Word of God..... God requires not commandment keeping or repenting or trying to live a good life to accept you and save you, but instead He accepts YOUR FAITH ALONE  in what Jesus did on the Cross to pay for your sin to THEN accept you. ... =  THE GOSPEL of The Grace Of God . 

This is the Gospel.  There is only one that Jesus Gave Paul to give to us, during the time of the Gentiles.   Its "Grace THRU Faith".  "justification by faith" alone.  "The Gift of Righteousness".

Now, after you have believed on the Lord Jesus and are born again, God will give you His Grace that empowers you to live the holy life, not in your power, not by your effort, but by His Grace.

 

Edited March 30, 2020 by Behold

[johnthebaptist]

4 hours ago, douge said:

But the rest of the verse says that the kingdom of heaven was at hand. The kingdom of heaven is the promised kingdom on earth, which, Israel had to repent of their need of cleansing, to be priests of God to enter.

I think most people miss the significance of Matthew 4:17.

[johnthebaptist]

2 hours ago, Behold said:

 

Let me offer some things from the NT to you.

We, the born again, are told to study the bible, vs, read it.   And we are told to "rightly divide" the word, itself.     To rightly divide the word requires a specific spiritual discernment which allows you to recognize some things about HOW to rightly divide it.  One of them is to understand that not all verses in the NT are written doctrinally to the "church" "body of Christ".    Another is, not all verses are to be taken literally, as many are parables, and others are symbolic or allegorical.

One of the big issues many believers have,  is trying to recognize when the New Testament and the doctrines defining New Testament Christians, began to come into effect.

For example.   Before Jesus was baptized, John the Baptist was teaching Jews, and not Gentiles, how to repent and  be baptized, as at THAT time, prior to the Lifting of the Cross, this was the OT's message.   And this message was to the "house of Israel".   Later, after the Cross was raised and Jesus rose from the Dead, and ascended back to the Father, He called a man name Saul to become an Apostle named Paul, and Jesus taught Paul, a specific redemptive doctrinal theology that was to be for all of mankind for a season, and specifically for the GENTILES.  This is why Paul is the "apostle to the Gentiles", and this is why at the time you are reading this, we are living in the "time of the Gentiles".   So, based on this, the New Testament is now dealing theologically specifically with Gentiles.  And so, redemption has been reevaluated by God, who said He "found fault with the 1st Covenant", or the "Old Testament", that contained the 10 Commandments and the Law...  The fault He found with it is that the Law and Commandments can't make you RIGHTEOUS< they can only show you your unrighteousness.  And so, He instituted a New Covenant and a New Testament that specifically defines  how He is NOW Dealing with Man, during the "time of the Gentiles".   And so, what we have now is not a offer of pardon of sin by GOD that is based on shedding the blood of animals or repenting while being baptized in Water, or at all......, but rather you have a  FREE offer of RIGHTEOUSNESS that is GIVEN AS A GIFT to "all who will "Believe the Gospel" and "Call on the Name of the Lord and you shall be SAVED" 

So, during the time of the Gentiles which is our time that began when the Cross was raised, and before the Great Tribulation starts, God is dealing with Man, specifically the Gentiles with a New Testament and a New Covenant, and a new offer of Eternal Redemption that is FAITH  based solely on the sacrifice and resurrection of God as Christ, on the Cross.   

In the time of the gentiles, which is were we are now according to the entire revealed Revelation of the Word of God..... God requires not commandment keeping or repenting or trying to live a good life to accept you and save you, but instead He accepts YOUR FAITH ALONE  in what Jesus did on the Cross to pay for your sin to THEN accept you. ... =  THE GOSPEL of The Grace Of God . 

This is the Gospel.  There is only one that Jesus Gave Paul to give to us, during the time of the Gentiles.   Its "Grace THRU Faith".  "justification by faith" alone.  "The Gift of Righteousness".

Now, after you have believed on the Lord Jesus and are born again, God will give you His Grace that empowers you to live the holy life, not in your power, not by your effort, but by His Grace.

 

It's actually pretty simple. The Lord said repent, so repent.

[Behold]

16 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said:

It's actually pretty simple. The Lord said repent, so repent.

repenting wont save you, as God does not accept this to give you "the gift of righteousness".

You are Justified by FAITH.  You are not justified by repenting.

repenting is just  self effort. its just one more religious act thats no different from giving to the poor or working for 50 yrs with Orphans in Cairo.

Notice that Jesus was talking to Jews, and not gentiles in that Verse you are misunderstanding.  Notice that there is no CROSS yet, no DEATH of Jesus Yet, no Blood Atonement yet in the verse you are misunderstanding.

So, in your verse, there is nothing yet given as : John 3:16.

It takes the Shed Blood of Jesus on the Cross mixed with your faith to redeem you from your sin and pardon your iniquity.

 

 

 

 

Edited March 30, 2020 by Behold

[johnthebaptist]

2 hours ago, Behold said:

repenting wont save you, as God does not accept this to give you "the gift of righteousness".

You are Justified by FAITH.  You are not justified by repenting.

repenting is just  self effort. its just one more religious act thats no different from giving to the poor or working for 50 yrs with Orphans in Cairo.

Notice that Jesus was talking to Jews, and not gentiles in that Verse you are misunderstanding.  Notice that there is no CROSS yet, no DEATH of Jesus Yet, no Blood Atonement yet in the verse you are misunderstanding.

So, in your verse, there is nothing yet given as : John 3:16.

It takes the Shed Blood of Jesus on the Cross mixed with your faith to redeem you from your sin and pardon your iniquity.

 

 

 

 

Repenting won't save me but it will keep trouble out of my life.

[Behold]

12 hours ago, johnthebaptist said:

Repenting won't save me but it will keep trouble out of my life.

Why does a person go to Heaven?

[johnthebaptist]

1 hour ago, Behold said:

Why does a person go to Heaven?

I can't read the mind of God. My best answer, off the top of my head, would be that God created heaven (we know that, don't we?) and wants us to be there with him.