IN THE MIDST OF COVID19, WHAT'S NEXT IN BIBLE PROPHECY?

[iamlamad]

On 5/8/2020 at 12:30 PM, luigi said:

Another item on the horizon is that of nations under the banner of the third horseman where providing basic sustenance to their citizens for labor rendered indicate those nations economies having collapsed.

The 3rd horseman speaks of famines such as we have seen in Africa over the past hundred years or so. 

[iamlamad]

On 5/8/2020 at 10:31 AM, luigi said:

Secession of a nation with a notable military into four national powers is soon to follow.

With the Antichrist soon to make his appearance, what is next on the world's agenda would then be some of the criteria regarding the AC. In Daniel 8, after a rough he goat (metaphorically representing Greece during the end times) desolates Media and Persia (which today are Iraq and Iran), the he goats notable horn is then broken and secedes into four national powers. It is from one of the four seceded national powers that a little horn, (another definition for the AC), rises, becoming popular from this latter desolation of Iran (representing the rams second horn which rises after its first horn Iraq had previously been desolated). 

Why do you imagine that ancient history (of the notable horn broken and four replace it) will be repeated?

[iamlamad]

On 4/23/2020 at 11:51 PM, Oseas Ramos de Siqueira said:

The disciples came unto JESUS privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming? And of the END of the world?

The PESTILENCE that is running in whole Earth, is the GREAT first signal of JESUS's coming-Matt.24:v.7. Habakkuk also prophesied, saying: Before Him went the pestilence,...Hab.3:v.5
The next prophetic event is the ocurrence of FAMINE, and nation shall rise against nation (UNO, EU, IFM, G7 -G20, will desappear), and there will be earthquakes in divers places, but all these things are the beginning of sorrows. 

The worst will come later, except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved. 

 

Jesus said earthquakes, famines, pestilences would be church age events: NOT end time.

[luigi]

23 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

The 3rd horseman speaks of famines such as we have seen in Africa over the past hundred years or so. 

The 3rd horseman speaks of initiating a work for ones daily sustenance program. Food is available, but the people in those nations have no money to purchase the food, thereby indicating those nations' economic systems having collapsed.

[luigi]

25 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

Why do you imagine that ancient history (of the notable horn broken and four replace it) will be repeated?

At the direction of the Lord the angel Gabriel informs Daniel that the data shown him about the he goat and ram, represent events during the end times (Daniel 8:17 & 19). This means that the metaphoric descriptions of Media, Persia, and Greece represent modern day nations and events and not ancient history. The little horn in Daniel 8 is the same little horn in Daniel 7 who is allotted 3.5 times in which he wears out the saints, which also appears in Daniel 12:7 about the events shown Daniel in chapters 11 and 12.

[iamlamad]

58 minutes ago, Oseas Ramos de Siqueira said:

  5 hours ago, iamlamad said:

Jesus said earthquakes, famines, pestilences would be church age events: NOT end time.

As the people of God know, the things you have listed are about JESUS's coming, and about the END of THIS WORLD in the corrent time. Matt.24:v.3-8

I wonder, ORdS, Do you ever check the scriptures before you write? Read and learn:

Matthew 24:

⁴ And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

⁵ For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

⁶ And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

⁷ For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

⁸ All these are the beginning of sorrows.

 

Do you see it? Let's walk through it step by step:

Jesus spoke of wars, and rumors of wars, that must come to pass, but when? He said THE END IS NOT YET. 

Another translation says, "that is not yet the end [of the age]." Others have it:

but this isn’t the end yet.

 but the end is yet to come.

but that isn’t the end.

but it is not yet the end.

but they don’t mean that the end has come.

hese things must happen before the end comes.

but the end won’t have come yet,

 this is no sign of the end. 

 But the end still isn’t here.

Do you see it? Jesus is not talking about the end of time yet, so He is still talking about the church age. OF COURSE these things will continue into the end times, but Jesus is talking about the church age here.  Now, follow Matthew:

⁷ For Notice this is a preposition that TIES verse 7 back to verse 6. It also ties the TIMING of verse 7 back to verse 6: church age. 

 

⁷ For nation shall rise against nation,   Church age, not end times

and kingdom against kingdom:              Church age, not end times 

and there shall be famines,                     Church age, not end times

and pestilences,                                        Church age, not end times

and earthquakes, in divers places.           Church age, not end times

⁸ All these are the beginning of sorrows.   Church age, not end times  Note that these are the biginning of sorrows. When we get to the end, it will sorrow past the beginning.  

Jesus FINALLY gets to the end or end times here:

¹⁴ And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

By the way, we are STILL IN the church age, but fast approaching "the end."

Edited May 11, 2020 by iamlamad

[iamlamad]

On 5/11/2020 at 12:57 PM, Oseas Ramos de Siqueira said:

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The true disciples of JESUS know that with the same Power JESUS rebuked the winds and the Sea (Matt.8:v.27), He, even Him, will cause these signs against all nations by His Power, and He has already worked and has sent the FIRST PUNISHMENT-the PESTILENCE-

Sorry, but you are mistaken: this pestilence came right out of hell, not from God.

Did you not read that "every good gift and ever perfect gift is from above...."

God is not a murderer.

Edited May 13, 2020 by iamlamad

[iamlamad]

5 hours ago, luigi said:

At the direction of the Lord the angel Gabriel informs Daniel that the data shown him about the he goat and ram, represent events during the end times (Daniel 8:17 & 19). This means that the metaphoric descriptions of Media, Persia, and Greece represent modern day nations and events and not ancient history. The little horn in Daniel 8 is the same little horn in Daniel 7 who is allotted 3.5 times in which he wears out the saints, which also appears in Daniel 12:7 about the events shown Daniel in chapters 11 and 12.

Luigi, you are pulling those verses OUT OF CONTEXT: the entire chapter is about first Ancient Persia, then Greece, then the four generals after Alexander died. Then it moves on to the end of THEIR time; that is, the days of Antiochus Epiphanes. 

When it says "the end" it later defines WHICH end: it is the end of the Seleucus kingdom. These verses have NOTHING to do with our future - except the Beast of Rev. 13 will copy what Antiochus did. 

[iamlamad]

5 hours ago, luigi said:

The 3rd horseman speaks of initiating a work for ones daily sustenance program. Food is available, but the people in those nations have no money to purchase the food, thereby indicating those nations' economic systems having collapsed.

Notice verse 8:

...And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

Notice who the "them" is: the Red horse rider was given a great sword.

The Black horse rider was to bring famine. Yes, food exists, but too expensive. And notice in verse 8, it says hunger. Yes, it MIGHT be caused by economic systems, but it might be caused by something as simple as locusts. 

The pale horse and rider were titled "death." 

The "THEM" is referring to seals 2 -4: and God limited their theater of operation to only 1/4 of the earth. Their orders from the devil, without a doubt, was to STOP the advance of the gospel (seal 1)

Military leaders in some African nations have been known to allow their people to STARVE while they have food locked up  - waiting for money. They are led by greed. 

An American private ship bringing food to the starving was met in port by the leader of the nation, who demanded a ridiculous tariff before the food could be unloaded. The Captain of the ship just put right back out to see and went to another port; then the food was trucked in. 

You are right: even when people in the past have starved to death  - food was available but only for the rich. 

[luigi]

1 hour ago, iamlamad said:

Luigi, you are pulling those verses OUT OF CONTEXT: the entire chapter is about first Ancient Persia, then Greece, then the four generals after Alexander died. Then it moves on to the end of THEIR time; that is, the days of Antiochus Epiphanes. 

When it says "the end" it later defines WHICH end: it is the end of the Seleucus kingdom. These verses have NOTHING to do with our future - except the Beast of Rev. 13 will copy what Antiochus did. 

iamlamad, The Lord provides us with three seperate accounts of time, times, and an half time, so that we can see them as representing the same series of events. On top of that, the Lord clearly states in Daniel 8:17 and 19, along with Daniel 12:4 & 9 that the events shown Daniel regard the final times. The Lord knew that the devil would deceive people with fanciful twists that have some similitude with historical events, and thus provides us with these multiple descriptions of the same series of events, but with additional data in each. 

iamlamad, How do you reconcile the time, times, and an half in Daniel 12:7 in which there is a resurrection of many in Daniel 12:2 with your perspective of these events having already occurred?