IN THE MIDST OF COVID19, WHAT'S NEXT IN BIBLE PROPHECY?

[abcdef]

5 minutes ago, CLIVE CAMPBELL said:

abcdef, not yet, I think. The 10-nation Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS), headed by Russia, is there. But the 7 years of tribulation will begin with the appearance of the Antichrist (perhaps a Jewish military man) out of 1 of those states that will take down 3 others (perhaps the 3 small "stan" states). I expect that will happen about the same time as the resurrection and rapture and the descent of Moses and Elijah to Jerusalem.

Who is the iron nation in the statue of Dan. 2?

See how the iron nation continues without stopping and then starting again, it is one complete piece of iron, mixed with clay in the end years, but still one piece.

Also see how the toes remain as ten and then end. They do not reunite and become huge and powerful like at the beginning of the iron. They show diminishing power and then end.

Where are we in the statue? Who was the iron nation 500 years ago?

Who is the iron nation right now? 

[CLIVE CAMPBELL]

1 hour ago, abcdef said:

Who is the iron nation in the statue of Dan. 2?

See how the iron nation continues without stopping and then starting again, it is one complete piece of iron, mixed with clay in the end years, but still one piece.

Also see how the toes remain as ten and then end. They do not reunite and become huge and powerful like at the beginning of the iron. They show diminishing power and then end.

Where are we in the statue? Who was the iron nation 500 years ago?

Who is the iron nation right now? 

abcdef, Rome was the iron world empire. The iron is just a symbol of strength, not that the next world empire needs to be European. No, I believe the 10 toes mixed with iron and clay are a figure for the CIS, headed by Russia, a "divided kingdom," with atheistic, Eastern Orthodox and Muslim peoples. Russia is the main iron nation of the 10-nation empire. You could call the 15-nation USSR the iron and clay feet. The silver was Medo-Persia and the bronze was Greece.

[abcdef]

2 hours ago, CLIVE CAMPBELL said:

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abcdef, Rome was the iron world empire. The iron is just a symbol of strength,

You know that the iron represents the Roman Empire when the iron of the statue begins.

The iron continues through the time after the Roman Empire falls 476 AD.

But the iron nation doesn't change into another metal, it becomes divided but still remains Rome.

It doesn't stop and start again.

Where does the iron change from Rome into another nation/metal?

How is Rome ruling today?

 

2 hours ago, CLIVE CAMPBELL said:

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not that the next world empire needs to be European. No, I believe the 10 toes mixed with iron and clay are a figure for the CIS, headed by Russia, a "divided kingdom," with atheistic, Eastern Orthodox and Muslim peoples. Russia is the main iron nation of the 10-nation empire. You could call the 15-nation USSR the iron and clay feet.

Where does the iron change? Rome must be the nation that rules over the people of Israel until Jerusalem is restored and the statue's iron and clay toes end.

The statue does not show the iron gaining power again.

It actually shows just the opposite. The iron diminishes in power growing smaller, it is divided by the clay, then divides into the toes.

It does not show the toes coming back together and becoming large and powerful again, like when the iron first started. 

The toes of the statue end when Israel is restored to military control over Jerusalem. The toes ended in 1967.

 

2 hours ago, CLIVE CAMPBELL said:

The silver was Medo-Persia and the bronze was Greece.

Yes, and the iron is Rome.

If the roman iron is continual, who was the iron nation 1000 years ago? 500 years ago? 

It must be continual without a break in the time line.

 

[CLIVE CAMPBELL]

33 minutes ago, abcdef said:

Yes, and the iron is Rome.

If the roman iron is continual, who was the iron nation 1000 years ago? 500 years ago? 

It must be continual without a break in the time line.

abcdef, I get your point that the iron continues into the clay. However, look at a map of the Roman Empire at its greatest:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Empire#/media/File:Roman_Empire_Trajan_117AD.png

Descendents of these peoples populated not only Europe but also north Asia, the area associated with the USSR in the past century. One could see all the European and North Asia empires as continuations of the Roman Empire, including the 3 Reichs and the USSR. This is why I hold to the 10-nation CIS being the 10 toes of iron and clay.

[abcdef]

5 minutes ago, CLIVE CAMPBELL said:

abcdef, I get your point that the iron continues into the clay. However, look at a map of the Roman Empire at its greatest:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Empire#/media/File:Roman_Empire_Trajan_117AD.png

Descendents of these peoples populated not only Europe but also north Asia, the area associated with the USSR in the past century. One could see all the European and North Asia empires as continuations of the Roman Empire, including the 3 Reichs and the USSR. This is why I hold to the 10-nation CIS being the 10 toes of iron and clay.

Yes, but the statue shows that the toes get smaller and diminish in power.

Do you believe that the Roman Empire must return?

It really never left, it just transformed into the Papacy, the image of the Roman Empire, with Caesar worship as it's religion.

I believe that the Bishop of Rome (BoR) returned to sit on the seat of the beast in 1929, when the Vatican became a state again. It is the same exact spot that it occupied 1900 years ago.

The empire is revived, come back to life, crawled out of the abyss, but it is still only an image of it's former self, not having the military power.

It is an empire just the same, a spiritual empire with 1.1 billion members. Powerful.

[CLIVE CAMPBELL]

20 minutes ago, abcdef said:

Do you believe that the Roman Empire must return?

No. Perhaps the better way to view this is that there is a break in the timeline, because Rome essentially put an end to Israel in 66-70 AD, until God began to bring the Jews back from their dispersion to the historic land of Israel in the last 120 years before the 6000th year, so beginning in 1910. The USSR was the descendant of Rome that has come on the scene since, and her daughter, the CIS, will be the next empire to rule Israel.

I don't see the Roman Catholic Church as the Roman Empire. In fact, I see it as part of the visible Empire of Christ, the stone that will crush all the empires.

[dad2]

On 4/4/2020 at 8:07 AM, CLIVE CAMPBELL said:

 

 

BUT WHAT ARE THE NEXT PROPHETIC EVENTS IN GOD'S TIMELINE THAT I SEE IN THE BIBLE IN ADVANCE OF THEM HAPPENING?

If this modern plague is a sign of the end (?) I guess it would be a pestilence.

 

Looking at Luke, immediately following pestilence is signs in the sky!

9 But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by.

 

10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: 11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.

 

 

12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake. 13 And it shall turn to you for a testimony.

 

 

Then it talks about persecution. Finally it talks about Jerusalem being surrounded by military forces.

 

 

It could be that next up on the agenda is amazing signs in the sky.

[Michael37]

1 hour ago, abcdef said:

Do you believe that the Roman Empire must return?

It really never left, it just transformed into the Papacy, the image of the Roman Empire, with Caesar worship as it's religion.

Yes, abcdef. All empires rise up through a desire to control, enforce, and reign. This is symbolised in biblical theology by heads, horns and crowns.

I see the metaphor in Rev 13:1 of the first beast with Seven Heads that later in Rev 17:9 morph into Seven Mountains, symbolising Seven Kingdoms through time, and carrying the meaning of complete imperial control. In speaking through the Bible to us of these seven representative imperial entities, each with their attendant characteristics of corruption, deception, and exploitation, God demonstrates how people have either obeyed and exalted Him, or disobeyed and exalted themselves. The final eighth manifestation of imperial control will incorporate all the characteristics of those that have led to it...and Christ will come and destroy all that opposes Him and His Kingdom.    

Egypt, +Assyria, +Babylon, +Medo-Persia, +Greece, +Political Rome, +Papal Rome, =Perditious Rome, which is the climactic manifestation of unregenerate humanity's mediology, technology and ideology.

Rev 17:9  And here is the mind which has wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sits.
Rev 17:10  And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he comes, he must continue a short space.
Rev 17:11  And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goes into perdition.

[CLIVE CAMPBELL]

39 minutes ago, dad2 said:

If this modern plague is a sign of the end (?) I guess it would be a pestilence.

 

Looking at Luke, immediately following pestilence is signs in the sky!

dad2, I absolutely believe that COVID-19 is the pestilence of Habakkuk 3:5 and probably Isaiah 26:20,21 is a reference to it also. See my other post on this site, "IS THE CORONAVIRUS PESTILENCE?"

Re signs in the sky, there have just been 2 supermoons in the last month or so and I read today that an asteroid that NASA missed came closer than the moon. However, heaven is also one of the many figures for Israel in the Bible, so it may also refer to great signs from Israel. Just recently, Trump has brought some of those to Israel, but I also expect Israel will soon be in a regional war and expand its boundaries.

[CLIVE CAMPBELL]

14 minutes ago, Michael37 said:

I see the metaphor in Rev 13:1 of the first beast with Seven Heads that later in Rev 17:9 morph into Seven Mountains, symbolising Seven Kingdoms through time, and carrying the meaning of complete imperial control.

Michael, I see it a little differently. Here are the 8 empires I see:

1. Egypt

2. Assyria

3. Babylon

4. Medo-Persia

5. Greece

6. Rome

7. The 10-nation Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS), headed by Russia. The Jewish Antichrist will take down 3 heads, thus leaving 7. He will reign over Israel, the 7 mountains.

8. The CIS with the Jewish Antichrist now possessed by Satan himself.