I think I've about had it with Mexico

[Ovedya]

And speaking of pandering: http://www.mcall.com/news/local/all-conven...ll=all-news-hed

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Allowing children who grew up in the USA and who are now in high school to go onto college doesn't seem such an evil thing to do. In fact it seems just and Christian to me. Surely central to the civil rights struggle of the 1960's was the fight for free and equal rights to education for all regardless of ethnic background.

What Christian argument can you give against such legislation?

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A child who is born in America is an American citizen. I have no problem with an AMERICAN CITIZEN attending our educational institutions. I do, however, have a problem with illegal immigrants getting a free ride on my tax dollars.

[Keith]

A child who is born in America is an American citizen.  I have no problem with an AMERICAN CITIZEN attending our educational institutions.  I do, however, have a problem with illegal immigrants getting a free ride on my tax dollars.

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There are even government programs to help immigrants (illegal or not) to get established here. Thousands of dollars are available, not to mention free health care. I found this out when I went to the hospital emergency room without insurance and was told that there is no help for me. What is wrong with this picture???

[ted]

The fact is, they should have been brought back into their country before they grew up and stayed. This crazy notion that if an illegal somehow hides long enough in the country to later become an instant citizen is troubling.

It is a crime to cross into our country illegally, period. It's especially troubling in this day in age. Most of the Mexican population coming across is probably in search of a better, honest life, and figure they can try to take a chance in the hopes that they won't get caught, to achieve this goal. Fine, but there is a threat out there that needs to be controlled. One of the threats is Islamic terrorism, but another threat is from Mexican citizens that commit crimes when they get here. Although these crimes may not be on a scale that causes a national scare, it is painful for those that are the victims.

If they want to come over, great. Apply to come in legally, and we'll help you. In this way, we can better control the numbers that are coming over so it doesn't place too much of a burden on our already bloated population.

That said, I like the idea of work visas. That way, we can do a check of who we are dealing with, as well as give them a chance to help themselves in the process. We also could give them a chance to honestly work through a set naturalization process.

Another way we could extend our hand to them to help them win citizenship is to allow them to serve a set number of years in the military. For the sake of my point, let's say 5 years. Maybe more, maybe less, doesn't matter. Personally, someone that would be willing to serve to earn their citizenship would earn my respect much more than some fat slob that has done nothing to improve themselves or our country, but would rather lay around his parents house and play X-Box all day.

Maybe they could even be placed in programs that would house and feed them, and in return, they could provide some kind of work in our communities. After all, they would become citizens of these communities in time, so why not let them earn a slot, and give them citizenship in time?

Now, how about the young children or infants of the illegals? Well, we are under no burden to pay for their parents crimes. If they need medical attention, I'm sure we could provide for them until they are well enough to make the trip home.

US employers of illegals? Send them into Mexico with the workers. Maybe they can make a buck off of cheap labor there.

Just kidding...sorta. These people need to be held accountable for their actions as much as anyone. Fines, jail time..I don't know. Whatever makes the point that we can't be hiring these people just to make a buck. I know it's wide spread, and our produce is cheaper because of it, but it doesn't really help the problem, so I'll pay a bit more at the Food Lion, I guess.

The trouble is that most of our politicians on each side do nothing about it because these illegals create numbers of voting bases around the country, which helps them win elections, which is asinine because their votes are as illegal as they are in the first place!

There can be simple programs put in place to help the honest people in their quest to come here. Work programs, military service programs, community service programs, the list can go on. All of these could help us determine who should stay, and who should go. It's really not that hard.

All of this means nothing if they come here illegally. If their foundations were built upon a crime or a lie, they don't deserve much more than an MRE and a bus ride home.

t.

[other one]

Ted, can you tell me how to translate this so that politicians would understand what you are saying. It is so good and so right but those who have the power to do something about it just don't seem to get it.

Edited July 19, 2005 by other one

[Ovedya]

The fact is, they should have been brought back into their country before they grew up and stayed. This crazy notion that if an illegal somehow hides long enough in the country to later become an instant citizen is troubling.

It is a crime to cross into our country illegally, period. It's especially troubling in this day in age. Most of the Mexican population coming across is probably in search of a better, honest life, and figure they can try to take a chance in the hopes that they won't get caught, to achieve this goal. Fine, but there is a threat out there that needs to be controlled. One of the threats is Islamic terrorism, but another threat is from Mexican citizens that commit crimes when they get here. Although these crimes may not be on a scale that causes a national scare, it is painful for those that are the victims.

If they want to come over, great. Apply to come in legally, and we'll help you. In this way, we can better control the numbers that are coming over so it doesn't place too much of a burden on our already bloated population.

That said, I like the idea of work visas. That way, we can do a check of who we are dealing with, as well as give them a chance to help themselves in the process. We also could give them a chance to honestly work through a set naturalization process.

Another way we could extend our hand to them to help them win citizenship is to allow them to serve a set number of years in the military. For the sake of my point, let's say 5 years. Maybe more, maybe less, doesn't matter. Personally, someone that would be willing to serve to earn their citizenship would earn my respect much more than some fat slob that has done nothing to improve themselves or our country, but would rather lay around his parents house and play X-Box all day.

Maybe they could even be placed in programs that would house and feed them, and in return, they could provide some kind of work in our communities. After all, they would become citizens of these communities in time, so why not let them earn a slot, and give them citizenship in time?

Now, how about the young children or infants of the illegals? Well, we are under no burden to pay for their parents crimes. If they need medical attention, I'm sure we could provide for them until they are well enough to make the trip home.

US employers of illegals? Send them into Mexico with the workers. Maybe they can make a buck off of cheap labor there.

Just kidding...sorta. These people need to be held accountable for their actions as much as anyone. Fines, jail time..I don't know. Whatever makes the point that we can't be hiring these people just to make a buck. I know it's wide spread, and our produce is cheaper because of it, but it doesn't really help the problem, so I'll pay a bit more at the Food Lion, I guess.

The trouble is that most of our politicians on each side do nothing about it because these illegals create numbers of voting bases around the country, which helps them win elections, which is asinine because their votes are as illegal as they are in the first place!

There can be simple programs put in place to help the honest people in their quest to come here. Work programs, military service programs, community service programs, the list can go on. All of these could help us determine who should stay, and who should go. It's really not that hard.

All of this means nothing if they come here illegally. If their foundations were built upon a crime or a lie, they don't deserve much more than an MRE and a bus ride home.

t.

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[Ovedya]

Ted,  can you tell me how to translate this so that politicians would understand what you are saying.  It is so good and so right but those who have the power to do something about it just don't seem to get it.

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They won't get it until it begins to hurt them at the polls.

[ted]

Sadly, Sam, the only way to do that would be to say the exact opposite.

But Ovedya is right. No politician would ever sit up and take notice unless two things were affected: Their personal bank accounts or their votes.

I think they are betting on the illusion that more illegals equals more votes and strengthens their agenda of the need for more Govermant social programs to take care of the problems that they themselves create.

Standard issue politics. In the end, when all is said and done, they simply do not care about the impact of what they do.

t.

[dgolvach]

I have no personal dislike for the illegals. Actually, most of them are fine hard working people just trying to help out their families. I wouldn't mind a work program or lending a helping hand. But this border policy is over the top. There is a huge difference between helping someone out and turning over your home and money. At what point do the Mexicans get their own country's problems straight? Fix it!!!! The property tax in Texas and other southern states are starting to drive some out of their homes. It cost a heck of alot more when the schools are teaching in 2 languages. Actually, Spanish speaking teachers cost more. What other group of immigrants get everything tailored in such away? Our hospitals/ERs and social services are being eaten alive. They are escaping the woes of living in Socialist Mexico but turn right around and expect our country to adopt the same sorta 3rd rate system. More and more U.S. citizens are getting fed up with this but neither party wants to address it. If you want to live in a Mexican-style state, why not just stay in Mexico? Don't bring a failed state mindset over here. This country did not become what it is(for now) by allowing a currupt centralized government to take over everything in your life. Mexico is no friend to the U.S.. It is never short on critisizm and always has it's hand out. If you want what Americans have, then do what Americans do. Put limits on big government and encourage privet enterprise. All governments have a tendency to waste money and promote curruption. Can privet enterprize be currupt? Sure, but not nearly on the scale of Government. The Government that Governs the least, Governs best. This is the problem with Mexico and other central American states. So why make it(Government) your nanny? It never really works out in the end.

Dan

[followerofjesus]

There are also alot of jobs that you can't get w/out being bilingual which is discriminating.

[ted]

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article....RTICLE_ID=45352

t.