The false "7 year tribulation" doctrine

[BlessedCreator]

Let's examine scripture.

The seven year tribulation doctrine does NOT come from the following verse.

Revelation 7:14
"And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of
great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

That verse is speaking of the tribulation of all saints, of all ages that have been martyred for their faith.
But it is also, more specifically speaking of the time when the Lord returned to destroy Jerusalem.
Jesus told us of that time when the Romans came and destroyed Jerusalem, that "for then
shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be."

So we see that those verses are not speaking of any end time tribulation period.

The other verses that people refer to and try to make a point that there will be some end time 7 year tribulation
period is in Daniel 9:24-27
"Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and
to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting
righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. Know therefore
and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem
unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built
again, and the wall, even in troublous times. And after threescore and two weeks shall
Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall
destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of
the war desolations are determined. And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in
the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the
overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the
consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

The people that try to preach this false 7 year tribulation doctrine try to say that these verses
are speaking of the Antichrist. When it is actually speaking
of the messiah, of Jesus Christ. These 70 weeks were fulfilled during Christ's ministry. He fulfilled this
prophecy! Don't believe me? Just read commentaries on BibleHub on Daniel 9:27 and you will see.

Some try to say that the desolation of the temple from Matthew 24:15,
is what is referred to in the above scriptures of Daniel as
"the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease".
These are two different events. The desolation of the temple in Matthew is referring to
the desecration of the sanctuary by the mad attempt of Antiochus Epiphanes to
stop the "daily sacrifice," and to substitute an idolatrous worship in its place.

The scripture in Daniel is referring to when Christ, in the MIDST of the week, offered
his own body, that great sacrifice for the expiation of sin, to reconcile sinners to
God; by that most holy and acceptable victim, he completed and
abolished all the typical sacrifices of the law.

There is no 7 year tribulation period. It's a deception to leave you unprepared for what
is truly soon to come to pass.

 

[missmuffet]

35 minutes ago, BlessedCreator said:

Let's examine scripture.

The seven year tribulation doctrine does NOT come from the following verse.

Revelation 7:14
"And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of
great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

That verse is speaking of the tribulation of all saints, of all ages that have been martyred for their faith.
But it is also, more specifically speaking of the time when the Lord returned to destroy Jerusalem.
Jesus told us of that time when the Romans came and destroyed Jerusalem, that "for then
shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be."

So we see that those verses are not speaking of any end time tribulation period.

The other verses that people refer to and try to make a point that there will be some end time 7 year tribulation
period is in Daniel 9:24-27
"Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and
to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting
righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. Know therefore
and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem
unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built
again, and the wall, even in troublous times. And after threescore and two weeks shall
Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall
destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of
the war desolations are determined. And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in
the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the
overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the
consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

The people that try to preach this false 7 year tribulation doctrine try to say that these verses
are speaking of the Antichrist. When it is actually speaking
of the messiah, of Jesus Christ. These 70 weeks were fulfilled during Christ's ministry. He fulfilled this
prophecy! Don't believe me? Just read commentaries on BibleHub on Daniel 9:27 and you will see.

Some try to say that the desolation of the temple from Matthew 24:15,
is what is referred to in the above scriptures of Daniel as
"the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease".
These are two different events. The desolation of the temple in Matthew is referring to
the desecration of the sanctuary by the mad attempt of Antiochus Epiphanes to
stop the "daily sacrifice," and to substitute an idolatrous worship in its place.

The scripture in Daniel is referring to when Christ, in the MIDST of the week, offered
his own body, that great sacrifice for the expiation of sin, to reconcile sinners to
God; by that most holy and acceptable victim, he completed and
abolished all the typical sacrifices of the law.

There is no 7 year tribulation period. It's a deception to leave you unprepared for what
is truly soon to come to pass.

 

I do not support your interpretation that there is not a 7 year tribulation. The Bible tells me differently. 

[Diaste]

1 hour ago, BlessedCreator said:

The seven year tribulation doctrine does NOT come from the following verse.

Revelation 7:14
"And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of
great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."

That verse is speaking of the tribulation of all saints, of all ages that have been martyred for their faith.
But it is also, more specifically speaking of the time when the Lord returned to destroy Jerusalem.
Jesus told us of that time when the Romans came and destroyed Jerusalem, that "for then
shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be."

So we see that those verses are not speaking of any end time tribulation period.

Hi,

You may be right but I don't see any positive proof for your conclusion. In fact you have reduced the scripture to a fragment and ignored the larger context, which is the nearness in time in relation to the return of Jesus. That being said I agree, no such thing as a 7 year tribulation. 

1 hour ago, BlessedCreator said:

The other verses that people refer to and try to make a point that there will be some end time 7 year tribulation
period is in Daniel 9:24-27
"Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and
to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting
righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. Know therefore
and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem
unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built
again, and the wall, even in troublous times. And after threescore and two weeks shall
Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall
destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of
the war desolations are determined. And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in
the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the
overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the
consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

I agree there is not a 7 year tribulation period in all of scripture, it's made up to fit an agenda of the enemy. Even if there was I don't think it could be proven from the passage you provided.

1 hour ago, BlessedCreator said:

The people that try to preach this false 7 year tribulation doctrine try to say that these verses
are speaking of the Antichrist. When it is actually speaking
of the messiah, of Jesus Christ. These 70 weeks were fulfilled during Christ's ministry. He fulfilled this
prophecy! Don't believe me? Just read commentaries on BibleHub on Daniel 9:27 and you will see.

I don't know how the case can be made this part of the prophecy is speaking to the Lord and His ministry:

"and the people of the prince that shall come shall
destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of
the war desolations are determined. And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in
the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the
overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the
consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

First, it's the people of the prince that shall come that will destroy the city and the sanctuary. In your view then it would have to be the people of Jesus that destroy the city and the sanctuary.

Then Jesus would have to confirm a 7 year covenant with many. As far as I know Jesus did not confirm a 7 year covenant, He confirmed an eternal covenant.

Then after 3.5 years Jesus would have to stop the liturgy in the Temple and then desecrate the Temple with appalling things. 

So if the prophecy did come to pass and it was in fact Jesus the prophecy is speaking about, when did Christians destroy the city and the sanctuary? When did Jesus confirm a 7 year covenant that He broke in the middle with appalling idolatry?

Hopefully you'll answer these questions.

1 hour ago, BlessedCreator said:

The scripture in Daniel is referring to when Christ, in the MIDST of the week, offered
his own body, that great sacrifice for the expiation of sin, to reconcile sinners to
God; by that most holy and acceptable victim, he completed and
abolished all the typical sacrifices of the law.

And when did Jesus do the rest of the things in the prophecy to fulfill the prophecy?

 

1 hour ago, BlessedCreator said:

Don't believe me? Just read commentaries on BibleHub on Daniel 9:27 and you will see.

An appeal to authority cannot take the place of source material facts. 

 

[The Light]

8 hours ago, BlessedCreator said:

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Let's examine scripture.


The other verses that people refer to and try to make a point that there will be some end time 7 year tribulation
period is in Daniel 9:24-27
"Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and
to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting
righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. Know therefore
and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem
unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built
again, and the wall, even in troublous times. And after threescore and two weeks shall
Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall
destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of
the war desolations are determined. And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in
the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the
overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the
consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

The seven year tribulation is the time of Jacobs trouble and has nothing to do with the Gentile Church. The Church will be in heaven, pretrib, before the 70th week begins, which is before the seals are opened.
 

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The people that try to preach this false 7 year tribulation doctrine try to say that these verses
are speaking of the Antichrist. When it is actually speaking
of the messiah, of Jesus Christ.

First off, you are completely off that these verses are about Jesus. Second off, the verses are not speaking of the antichrist. The verses are talking about the 7th King. The antichrist is the 8th king.

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These 70 weeks were fulfilled during Christ's ministry.

Really? You might need to do some more research.

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He fulfilled this
prophecy! Don't believe me? Just read commentaries on BibleHub on Daniel 9:27 and you will see.

No need for me to look at BibleHub, to determine your statement is incorrect.
 

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Some try to say that the desolation of the temple from Matthew 24:15,
is what is referred to in the above scriptures of Daniel as
"the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease".
These are two different events

This is correct. They are two different events, 1290 days apart.

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. The desolation of the temple in Matthew is referring to
the desecration of the sanctuary by the mad attempt of Antiochus Epiphanes to
stop the "daily sacrifice," and to substitute an idolatrous worship in its place.

These little verses here prove you are incorrect. I saw in an earlier post (another thread) that you understand the meaning of the word THEN. So this should be enough proof.

Matt 24

⁸ All these are the beginning of sorrows.

⁹ Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

These things do not happen during the time of Antiochus, they happen after the beginning of sorrows, EXACTLY like the says.

 

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The scripture in Daniel is referring to when Christ, in the MIDST of the week, offered
his own body, that great sacrifice for the expiation of sin, to reconcile sinners to
God; by that most holy and acceptable victim, he completed and
abolished all the typical sacrifices of the law.

Go Fish.
 

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There is no 7 year tribulation period. It's a deception to leave you unprepared for what is truly soon to come to pass.

There is a 7 year tribulation period. It is known as the time of Jacobs trouble. The Word does not say it is the time of the Gentile Churches trouble. The deception you need to be concerned about is not understanding this:  Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

You better be ready BEFORE the time of Jacobs trouble comes. If not you will be considered a foolish virgin and the Lord will say He does not know you. I suspect those will receive strong delusion and believe the lie. The Church needs to be ready before the seals are opened, which is before the 70th week begins.

A wise man would keep His eyes open and watch and BE READY. We aren't looking for the man of sin to be revealed. We are looking for the return of the Master.

 

 

[R. Hartono]

16 hours ago, BlessedCreator said:

Let's examine scripture.

the 2 Witnesses of God (Moses and Elijah) will replace the church in the first 3.5 years of Tribulation after antichrist conquer the world with peace making at the 1st seal opening.

Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

After 3.5 years the 2 witnesses will be killed by the beast from bottomless pit

7.And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

antichrist then shall be given power to continue again 42 months without resistance from the 2 witnesses anymore :

Rev 13:5 and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

The beast from bottomless pit shall then possess antichrist and he will enter the temple to declare himself as God / abomination of desolation. this is called the great Tribulation where the Jews shud make exodus out of Israel which never happened in history.

Matt 24: 15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

The jews Will run to wilderness for 3,5 years as written in Rev 12. So totally 7 years.

Edited April 20, 2020 by R. Hartono