The oil and the wine of Revelation 6

[R. Hartono]

On 4/22/2020 at 6:55 PM, Last Daze said:

  I think it refers to the protection of new covenant believers during the time of food shortage.

Rev 13:7 says the beast will overcome the saints, why do u expect protection ?

Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

God does provide nourishment in the great tribulation but thats only for the Jews who made the exodus out of Israel when the AOD takes place : Rev 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

 

Edited April 25, 2020 by R. Hartono

[Last Daze]

12 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

Rev 13:7 says the beast will overcome the saints, why do u expect protection ?

Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

God does provide nourishment in the great tribulation but thats only for the Jews who made the exodus out of Israel when the AOD takes place : Rev 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

 

The overcoming of the saints begins at the 5th seal.  I don't expect protection from that.  We were talking about the food shortage of the 3rd seal.

[R. Hartono]

On 4/25/2020 at 7:42 PM, Last Daze said:

The overcoming of the saints begins at the 5th seal.

The foolish virgins left behind are on their own, some of  them will dare to refuse the mark of the beast n they shall b killed n Bible write these martyred foolish virgins as saints.

 

Edited May 10, 2020 by R. Hartono

[Sister]

Revelation 6:6   And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.

 

Not all oils are equal.  Neither are all wine's equal.

 

Ezekiel 32:14   Then will I make their waters deep, and cause their rivers to run like oil, saith the Lord GOD.

God has depicted Satan as fouling all the rivers of waters.  These are all the false belief systems he has created.  During the days of the black horse, all those false belief systems have become as oil.  It's not running fresh water, but murky, like sludge. 

 

The oil is the accumulation of what the rivers are fouled with.

 

The wine is the teachings that they have been drinking.

 

All must remain so that every man who is drinking from these fouled waters can reap what he has sown.  All must learn the hard way that what they have drunken cannot save.  All is bogged up together.

 

 

 

 

 

[R. Hartono]

On 5/11/2020 at 9:18 AM, Sister said:

 

The oil is the accumulation of what the rivers are fouled with.

 

The wine is the teachings that they have

 

 

 

 

 

One Penny speaks about one day wage of labour so this speaks of economic recession so bitter n scarcities of wheat as the main food.

Rev 6:6 A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny.

Edited May 12, 2020 by R. Hartono

[Sister]

24 minutes ago, R. Hartono said:

One Penny speaks about one day wage of labour so this speaks of economic recession so bitter n scarcities of wheat as the main food.

Rev 6:6 A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny.

Hi brother.

Yes that is correct.

The black horse signifies a time of great darkness for the world.  They have absolutely no idea what is going on and what has already started.

Revelation 17:16   And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

The whore's flesh is Babylon - The current system of the world.  Trade and commerce.   The ten horns are working hard to rid the world of this current system and replace it with their new system.  That new system will emerge when the pale horse comes.  From now on, everything as we know it will be torn down.  Burnt with fire.  Not a physical fire, but a vexing fire.  Loss of jobs, industry, and food shortages will come very soon upon the whole earth.  The world has to be needy, in order to accept the Son of Perdition.

God said he would cause their "rivers" to run like oil.  There will be no fresh running water in the earth until the Lamb of God returns.  Babylon will stay in darkness with no truth and seek comfort in what they have been drinking.  This is their "wine" that has made them drunk (their teachings), ... whatever they've been taught.  There are many rivers. 

They must stay drunk until it's all over.  Prophecy must be fulfilled. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[R. Hartono]

44 minutes ago, Sister said:

Hi brother.

Yes that is correct.

The black horse signifies a time of great darkness for the world.  They have absolutely no idea what is going on and what has already started.

Revelation 17:16   And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

The whore's flesh is Babylon - The current system of the world.  Trade and commerce.   The ten horns are working hard to rid the world of this current system and replace it with their new system.  That new system will emerge when the pale horse comes.  From now on, everything as we know it will be torn down.  Burnt with fire.  Not a physical fire, but a vexing fire.  Loss of jobs, industry, and food shortages will come very soon upon the whole earth.  The world has to be needy, in order to accept the Son of Perdition.

God said he would cause their "rivers" to run like oil.  There will be no fresh running water in the earth until the Lamb of God returns.  Babylon will stay in darkness with no truth and seek comfort in what they have been drinking.  This is their "wine" that has made them drunk (their teachings), ... whatever they've been taught.  There are many rivers. 

They must stay drunk until it's all over.  Prophecy must be fulfilled. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This pandemic which caused economic stall has alrdy caused over production of oil n so It will b cheap later in the Tribulation.

[Sister]

11 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

This pandemic which caused economic stall has alrdy caused over production of oil n so It will b cheap later in the Tribulation.

Hi brother

That sounds convincing.  And if it is as simple as that, then we should expect the price of wine to drop also for the scripture to be literal and true! 

It's possible there is a two fold meaning.  The physical to represent the spiritual.

I could be wrong with my interpretation, but lately been looking into the "oil" and "the wine" with fresh eyes.  When both are mentioned together throughout the scriptures, the oil is not usually depicted as the type of oil that we run our cars and machinery on. 

 

Hosea 2:22   And the earth shall hear the corn, and the wine, and the oil; and they shall hear Jezreel.

 

Jeremiah 31:12   Therefore they shall come and sing in the height of Zion, and shall flow together to the goodness of the LORD, for wheat, and for wine, and for oil, and for the young of the flock and of the herd: and their soul shall be as a watered garden; and they shall not sorrow any more at all.

 

All this is after Christ returns.  How does one "hear" the wine and the oil?  The two go together and they are hearing truth. 

 

I see the oil and the wine mentioned in Revelation as a juxtaposition.  A comparison mentioned in the scriptures if we have been following the prophesies.  So  Instead of the oil of gladness, ...the oil that anoints, or the good fats provided for our spirit that only Christ can give, Babylon has preferred what Satan has fouled the rivers with.  All false beliefs have become as oil.  These are Satan's rivers, what he has provided.  His rivers are drying up.

For the prophesies to come to fruition, Babylon has to be kept in her delusion.  The oil must stay or else all will be saved.  

 

And the wine is the teachings;

Isaiah 28:7   But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.

  Isaiah 29:9   Stay yourselves, and wonder; cry ye out, and cry: they are drunken, but not with wine; they stagger, but not with strong drink.

 

Jeremiah 25:27   Therefore thou shalt say unto them, Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Drink ye, and be drunken, and spue, and fall, and rise no more, because of the sword which I will send among you.

 

 

 

[R. Hartono]

1 hour ago, Sister said:

if it is as simple as that, then we should expect the price of wine to drop also for the scripture to be literal and true

oil is not usually depicted as the type of oil that we run our cars and machinery on. 

 

 

 

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The scripture said do not ruin which means it will b plenty available whether the wine/non essential items are relatively cheap or not.

Of corse Oil was not used as fuel in the Bible but in modern end Times the world will stop turning without oil for transport n its availability greatly affects the whole world economy after the 3rd seal opening of financial collapse of the world.

Edited May 13, 2020 by R. Hartono