BIG, BIG NEWS: RESURRECTION AND RAPTURE ON MARCH 14, 2023?

[The Light]

9 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

Try as you might, but you are not going for find the word "coming" at the 6th seal. 
You CAN find it in 1 thes. 4. 

LOL, but you do see the evidence of His coming. And if you were wise enough to match the coming with Matt 24 and Rev 14 you might gain understanding. As it is, there is not the word "coming" or even any words, or any hint of a rapture at the end of the 5th seal. All you have is your imagination.

[The Light]

1 hour ago, iamlamad said:

Right! God had John use the color white 17 times in Revelation, 16 times to represent righteousness, and once to represent evil. Some people need to get a clue. God does not do that. God is CONSISTENT. The white horse is to represent RIGHTEOUS conquering or spiritual warfare. 

Your theory is 2000 years off and simply WRONG.

Yeah, rides out on a white horse. Looks like the Messiah, acts like the Messiah, claims to be the  Messiah, and in the name of peace, he will destroy many. He goes forth conquering and to conquer.

You could have a wallet load of money and all of it is green. That does not mean all of it is real. Do you understand the meaning of the word counterfeit? That's what the rider on the white horse is, the counterfeit Christ. You know, like in the Bible where it says things like he claims to be God. Do you understand the meaning of ANTI-Christ?

 

Edited May 9, 2020 by The Light

[CLIVE CAMPBELL]

2 hours ago, Oseas Ramos de Siqueira said:

Yes, CAMPBELL.

CAMPBELL, I think you are confused. As you said, "If the Exodus was in 1446 BC, as I believe, then Saul started to reign in 1050 BC". 1446BC  to 1050BC is 396, this is true and correct, so you confirm the timeline was posted above, now you are right and speaking truth, not because we both are speaking the sma language, but because in fact it is true within a existent Chronology.

Yes, I have pointed 508 years, it because From Saul (1050BC) to the fall of Jerusalem and end of period of the exile of Israel (540 BC) is around 510 years or even 508 as is showed in the timeline above. It is certain that the period of captivity "in Babylon" ended in the first year of Cyrus II's reign about 540BC after the Persian conquest of the city of Babylon. As a result of the Cyrus Decree, the exiled Jews were allowed to return to the land of Judah, in particular Jerusalem, to rebuild the Temple.

CAMPBELL my focus in this topic has been the time of JESUS's coming until the end of this new decade, not ancient history what is irrelevant if compared with the wonderful and great event of Jesus's coming.

God bless 

 

 

Oseas, now that you have seen your error, you will find that the first 4000 years takes you to Jesus' death, burial, resurrection and ascension in 30 AD, not to His birth in 5 BC. Which makes sense, since it was His sacrifice and resurrection that was the turning point in history, not His birth. This is why the Passover lamb was kept in Jewish homes for 4 days (from 10 Nisan) until it was killed (on 14 Nisan). King David's death in 970 BC was exactly 1000 years before King Jesus' death in 30 AD too. So, we are now in the last 2000 years before Christ's return in 2030. Then comes the Sabbath Millennium, the 1st 1000 years of the Eternal State.

God bless you too,

Clive

[CLIVE CAMPBELL]

JUST TO LET EVERYONE WHO HAS PARTICIPATED IN THIS THREAD KNOW, THE SECOND PASSOVER SACRIFICE ON MAY 8, 2020 AND ANY SUBSEQUENT SACRIFICES HAVE BEEN CANCELLED, BUT EXPECT THE SANHEDRIN TO TRY AGAIN VERY SOON:

https://www.breakingisraelnews.com/149919/second-passover-reenactment-cancelled-protest-against-possible-secret-deal-banishing-jews-from-temple-mount/

 

[CLIVE CAMPBELL]

8 hours ago, Oseas Ramos de Siqueira said:

You opened this topic in April 26, 2020, right? What date are we living in today, as recorded here on the Worthychristian website? May 09, 2020. That said, 4000+2000=6000plus 20 years of this new millennium, you cannot deny that we are living about year 6020, then you are not living in the year 5990 as you have stated to be. 

Oseas, even when your error has been pointed out, you are unwilling to change your chronology. Sad. If you re-do your math from the OT, you will find that the 4000 years take you to 30 AD. So, we won't be to the end of 6000 years until 2030. Let's just agree to disagree, since it seems that you will not own up to your error.

[CLIVE CAMPBELL]

8 hours ago, Oseas Ramos de Siqueira said:

16 hours ago, CLIVE CAMPBELL said:

 

Dear CAMPBELL, the deceitful sacrifice you are believing in will never happen, but never.

Oseas, want to bet--a gentleman's bet? You don't know how committed the Orthodox Jews are to re-start the Temple service. And they will do this even before the 4th Temple is built on the Temple Mount. The sacrifices will be an abomination, horror and transgression to God and He will judge Israel as a result.

Will the Sanhedrin try to start these sacrifices on Pentecost? I won't be surprised.

[iamlamad]

20 hours ago, The Light said:

Yeah, rides out on a white horse. Looks like the Messiah, acts like the Messiah, claims to be the  Messiah, and in the name of peace, he will destroy many. He goes forth conquering and to conquer.

You could have a wallet load of money and all of it is green. That does not mean all of it is real. Do you understand the meaning of the word counterfeit? That's what the rider on the white horse is, the counterfeit Christ. You know, like in the Bible where it says things like he claims to be God. Do you understand the meaning of ANTI-Christ?

Problems with your theory:

1. 2000 years off. Pulls the first seal out of its context. Imagines that the Beast rides out 2000 years ago.

2. Does not consider the consistency of scriptures and the consistency of God as The Author: 16 times white represents righteousness. Imagines the Beast is going to ride a white horse in God's book.

3. Does not consider that God Himself colored the Beast as fiery red later in the book. 

4. Must imagine that God allowed the Beast to choose his own color for God's book.

Try keeping verses that fit together together, and verses that don't fit together apart. NOTHING in chapter 13 in Revelation speaks to anything in chapter 6. Events in chapter 13 years after events in chapter 6. Don't even think you can rearrange. Your theories will be proven wrong. 

THE CHURCH was sent out conquering and to conquer, and with the crown of FINAL victory. The church LOOKS like the Messiah because the Messiah dwells IN the church. The church ACTS Like the Messiah because the Holy Spirit in the church is a very PART of the Messiah. Sorry, no destruction at the first seal. You ad lib that part to fit your theory. 

Edited May 10, 2020 by iamlamad

[iamlamad]

2 hours ago, CLIVE CAMPBELL said:

Oseas, want to bet--a gentleman's bet? You don't know how committed the Orthodox Jews are to re-start the Temple service. And they will do this even before the 4th Temple is built on the Temple Mount. The sacrifices will be an abomination, horror and transgression to God and He will judge Israel as a result.

Will the Sanhedrin try to start these sacrifices on Pentecost? I won't be surprised.

Can you show us a scripture that hints at what you are saying here? God is going to have animal sacrifices during the 1000 year reign of Christ. I don't think they are a "horror" or an abomination to God.  Their only problem is, they missed the first coming of their Messiah. 

[iamlamad]

22 hours ago, The Light said:

LOL, but you do see the evidence of His coming. And if you were wise enough to match the coming with Matt 24 and Rev 14 you might gain understanding. As it is, there is not the word "coming" or even any words, or any hint of a rapture at the end of the 5th seal. All you have is your imagination.

When anyone tries  to match the coming in Matthew 24 (after the days of GT) with any coming OTHER than the Rev. 19 coming, their theory will be proven wrong. 

Go back and really STUDY 1 thes. 5. Paul gives us TIMING information: his rapture will come just before wrath. An astute bible student would know that God's wrath begins before the 70th week and the entire 70th week of Daniel comes with His wrath. 

The harvests in Rev. 14 are both symbolic and prophetic, NOT taking place at that point in time in John's narrative. 

Sorry, but all the imagination here is on your side. Why would Paul mention God's wrath in a rapture passage? Why would Paul mention the Day of the Lord in a rapture passage? Why would he mention "sudden destruction?" An astute bible student would know that the rapture will TRIGGER the DAy of the Lord which is the Day of His wrath which is HIS WRATH begun.

Why not just BELIEVE John when he tells us that God's wrath begins at the 6th seal? It is the first mention of His wrath in Revelation. Why? Because that is where His wrath begins.

Please show us this "evidence" of His coming.

Edited May 10, 2020 by iamlamad

[CLIVE CAMPBELL]

2 hours ago, iamlamad said:

Can you show us a scripture that hints at what you are saying here? God is going to have animal sacrifices during the 1000 year reign of Christ. I don't think they are a "horror" or an abomination to God.  Their only problem is, they missed the first coming of their Messiah. 

iamlamad, we've had that battle already and you haven't jumped the 5 hurdles I gave you and yet you still stubbornly refuse to accept that Daniel 8 is about the Jewish Antichrist and the 2300 evenings and mornings are about these coming sacrifices that the Sanhedrin are about to start.