BIG, BIG NEWS: RESURRECTION AND RAPTURE ON MARCH 14, 2023?

[iamlamad]

On 4/26/2020 at 8:15 PM, CLIVE CAMPBELL said:

BIG, BIG NEWS: I JUST LEARNED TODAY THAT THE MORNING AND EVENING SACRIFICES (THE TEMPLE SERVICE) IN JERUSALEM MAY BEGIN ON MAY 8, 2020. THE SANHEDRIN SAYS THAT THEY CAN BEGIN BEFORE THE 4TH TEMPLE (AFTER SOLOMON'S, ZERUBBABEL'S AND HEROD'S) IS BUILT. IF THEY DO START THEN, THEN 1040 (2300-1260) DAYS LATER, ON MARCH 14, 2023, THE RESURRECTION AND RAPTURE WILL COME, BANG ON OR VERY CLOSE TO IT. SEE THE ARTICLE:

https://www.breakingisraelnews.com/149193/sanhedrin-to-reenact-hezekiahs-second-passover-sacrifice-on-mount-of-olives/?utm_source=ActiveCampaign&utm_medium=email&utm_content=After+Request+to+Sacrifice+Lamb+on+Temple+Mt++was+Denied%2C+Sanhedrin+Resorts+to+Plan+B+and+Today+s+Top+Stories&utm_campaign=BIN+-+AM+A%2FB+TEST+-+APRIL+26%2C+2020

The 2300 days was for Antiochus, not for our future. Your calculations will therefore be off.

[iamlamad]

On 4/28/2020 at 11:43 AM, The Light said:

How is it that those that see the pretrib rapture can't see the timeline and those that can see the some of the timeline can't see the pretrib rapture?  Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

No one thinks it is going to be THIS present hour! (so according to you it cannot be.) 

[iamlamad]

On 4/28/2020 at 11:12 AM, Diaste said:

If you hold to a pretrib rapture view literally everything that follows from that is incorrect. 

Diaste, this is hilarious! And of course very wrong. If I were you, I would re-think this. Camp out on 1 and 2 Thessalonians for a year or two. Well, a year or two might be too late. You may have a month or two! 

It would also be good to learn WHERE in Revelation "the trib" is, and in relation to that where the rapture is. When you learn the truth of these two, then you will know you have been misled. 

[iamlamad]

On 5/18/2020 at 2:02 PM, CLIVE CAMPBELL said:

ChickenCoop, now is good time, but I'm afraid that we have about 3 years to wait. Watch what happens with the sacrifices in Jerusalem.

Clive, it seems they still have not started the daily sacrifices: I can find nothing in the news about it.

[iamlamad]

On 5/18/2020 at 8:02 AM, CLIVE CAMPBELL said:

Revelation Man, we can agree to disagree. In my mind, it is referring to 2300 sunsets and 2300 sunrises, 2300 days. It is the daily sacrifices that are being written about here--1 lamb in the evening and 1 lamb in the morning. They are like the days of the Genesis prologue: "And there was evening and there was morning, one day. They are also like the days of Daniel 12:11,12.

I agree: every day had an evening and it has a morning.  And every day they had a morning sacrifice and an afternoon sacrifice.

[iamlamad]

On 5/17/2020 at 8:01 PM, Revelation Man said:

The 2300 is actually 1150 days. You have to restudy that one brother. Its 2300 Evening AND Mornings. 

RM: every day has an evening and it has a morning. It is 2300 days.

[iamlamad]

On 5/17/2020 at 8:00 PM, Revelation Man said:

 

I misstated what it is, the 6th Seal/Joel 2 Event actually is the 1st Trump through the 4th Trump. 

As I pointed out, if you actually would read my replies instead of just replying {Something I would never do} the Seals are not ACTIONABLE.....SEE THAT ? The Seals are not ACTIONABLE, meaning the Parchment of Judgments can not be read aloud until ALL 7 Seals are broken. Rich Kings would place 2 or 3 Seals on a letter to someone if it was top secret. They did that so no one could read the content until ALL THE SEALS were Broken. So As Jesus breaks the 1st Seal he says the Anti-Christ {White Horse Conqueror} is coming over a 42 month time period. The Red Horse of War is the same Anti-Christ, he brings War for 42 months, the Black Horse Jesus prophesies will bring FAMINE for 42 months and the Pale Green Horse will bring Death/Sickness of a 42 month period of time, these are all Prophetic uttering's of Jesus, opening the Seals in Heaven, just before they COME TO PASS at the beginning of the DOTL {Trump Judgments}.  

RM, I think everything you write about the seals is in error. Why? You totally ignore the context of the first seal. John is very clear that Jesus got the book into his hands and opened that first seal VERY shortly after ascending back into heaven and sending the Holy Spirit down. Get the first seal wrong, and like dominoes falling, almost everything else will be error. 

Every seal has an action: did you just assume and not read? A horse and a rider is an ACTION. In the case of seal #1, the horse and rider are to represent THE CHURCH sent out with the GOSPEL - and that is an action. 

Shortly after Jesus ascended, He sent the church out from Jerusalem. 

Seals 2 though 4 are to represent the devil's attempts (He IS the god of this world) to stop the advance of the gospel. He knows what God said, that the gospel would be preached in ALL the world, and THEN the end would come: if he (the devil) could stop the gospel, then the end could not come. So these seals are the devil trying to stop the gospel. How? By wars, famines, and pestilences. 

the Parchment of Judgments can not be read aloud until ALL 7 Seals are broken  HALLELUJAH! FINALLY something I can agree with: the "book" was written WITHIN. That is what John said. And no one can read what is "WITHIN" until all 7 seals are opened.  You get a gold star for this one! Good job! As I see it, in Rev. 8, what comes after the 7th seal is what is written "WITHIN" the book.  Thefore, no trumpet could POSSIBLY be sounded until all 7 seals are opened first.

Sorry, but the rest of your post is myth. You are 2000 years off.

[iamlamad]

On 5/17/2020 at 1:43 PM, CLIVE CAMPBELL said:

Revelation Man, I think that we will be able to make a good guess at the very day of the resurrection and rapture, which I think are only about 3 years away. I take the 2300 evenings and mornings of the daily sacrifice--1 lamb in the evening and 1 lamb in the morning--in Daniel 8 as referring to the sacrifices which the Sanhedrin are trying to start in Jerusalem right now. Once started, they will last 2300 evenings and mornings until the Jewish Antichrist stops them in the middle of the last 7 years of the 6th millennium (after 14 billion years, with no macro-evolution), ending in 2030. If he stops them on the same day that he kills Moses and Elijah, who will preach Christ in Jerusalem for 1260 days, that tells me that the resurrection and rapture will happen 2300-1260=1040 days after the daily sacrifices start, at the same time that Moses and Elijah descend from heaven to Jerusalem.

When you take the 2300 days that were for Antiochus' time and use it to calculate anything in our future, you will be off. Sorry to say it, but you are simply mistaken on God's intent for those 2300 days.  You MUST learn not to pull verses out of their context.

John gives us numbers for our future: 1260 days twice, 42 months twice, and times (3 1/2 years) once. Daniel gave us the times twice. 

Daniel also gave us some number for events that will come AFTER the 3 1/2 years or AFTER the last 1260 days of the week. (the 1290 days and 1335 days). You DID use the 1260 but then mucked it up with the 2300. 

Why not just take John at his word? 

After the first 6 trumpet judgments  - which take up almost all of the first 1260 days - the city will begin to be trampled for 42 months - so OF COURSE the LAST 42 months (since the first 42 months are up). I believe this is the man of sin moving to Jerusalem, just days before he will enter the temple. Of course logic tells us he must first be IN Jerusalem to enter the temple in Jerusalem. 

It is the next few verses that gives most people a serious problem in understanding. 

The very next verse, 11:3, tells us that the two witness SHALL (future tense so future from that moment) testify for 1260 days.  If that is all John wrote, without a doubt, 100% of readers would say the two witnesses would testify for the next 1260 days or their time would parallel the 42 months of trampling. 

Then John takes the readers down a side journey with the two witnesses - all the way to the end of the week. Then John sounds the 7th trumpet that will sound at the MIDPOINT.  (This is where people's thinking  goes on TILT.)

Many are forced then to take the two witnesses and insist their 1260 days are in the FIRST Half of the week, in spite of John's future tense verbs! 

It is a dilemma that has stymied students of Revelation since John wrote it. The commentaries offer no reasonable answer.  However, there is a very simple answer. 

Verses 11:4 through `11:14 were written as a parenthesis. Problem solved.

For Chronology, the man of sin shows up 3.5 days before he will enter the temple and his abomination will then divide the week. He comes with his Gentile army, who will trample the city for 42 months.

Those 3.5 days pass and then the man of sin enters the temple - and the week is divided.

the 7th trumpet sounds marks this time in heaven: the time of the abomination.

Seconds later, those in Judea  begin to flee, (1260 days) having SEEN the abomination. (12:6) 

AT the same moment they begin to flee, Michael is going after Satan, so WAR IN HEAVEN begins.

John sees the Beast arise who will be given 42 months of authority.

until the Jewish Antichrist stops them in the middle of the last 7 years  This we can agree on.

If he stops them [the daily sacrifices] on the same day that he kills Moses and Elijah He does not. They will have testified for only 3 1/2 days! They will have 1256 1/2 more days to testify. 

The rest of your post is myth at best. 

[iamlamad]

19 minutes ago, ChickenCoop said:

Problem here is confusing The Rapture with The Second Coming.  They are two different events.  Rapture is first.  Can be at anytime before The Second Coming.

One might think anything, but John and Paul are clear: the rapture comes a moment before the Day of the Lord and the start of God's wrath. In Revelation that can be pinpointed as between the 5th and 6th seal. (The 5th seals is church age martyrs waiting for the last martyr, and the 6th seal starts wrath.) (the 70th week then begins with the 7th seal.) 
You are absolutely right, TWO comings separated by over 7 years. 

[iamlamad]

5 minutes ago, ChickenCoop said:

Well, I am in no condition to wait that long.  Maybe if every Christian on Earth jumped up and down at the same time it would happen. 

It is OK to go home and be with the Lord. NO one EVER wants to come back once being there. We will all be together soon enough!