Diaste Posted May 9, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 14 Topic Count: 67 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 6,628 Content Per Day: 1.99 Reputation: 2,368 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/17/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted May 9, 2020 From my vantage point a sound approach to eschatological understanding does not hold much ground in this forum and is losing the battle. If one just held to one of the main schools of thought, or a combination, I could understand. Mostly all I see is a bunch of poorly written chapters in works of fiction riddled with plots holes which are overcome by...well...the holes in the story are not repaired. The authors of these works of fiction simply don't care. Add. Subtract. Make it up. At least Hollywood uses 'magic' as a device to fill in the blanks. That makes them more cognizant of their failings than at least a dozen of the regular posters under this section of the forum. We better get it together people. This isn't a bedtime story you make up as you go along. It's not abstract. Not a thought exercise. The study of the end of the age should lead to understanding of that time, not a chance to present personal philosophy. So what's your favorite method? Literal? Moral? Something else? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ENOCH2010 Posted May 9, 2020 Group: Senior Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 907 Content Per Day: 0.20 Reputation: 382 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/03/2011 Status: Offline Birthday: 07/07/1866 Share Posted May 9, 2020 Literal, if the Bible is silent on a subject, I'm silent, and just smile when people add or subtract to it with their opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behold Posted May 9, 2020 Group: Mars Hill Followers: 7 Topic Count: 87 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 3,795 Content Per Day: 1.34 Reputation: 6 Days Won: 3 Joined: 07/30/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted May 9, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Diaste said: From my vantage point a sound approach to eschatological understanding does not hold much ground in this forum and is losing the battle. If one just held to one of the main schools of thought, or a combination, I could understand. Mostly all I see is a bunch of poorly written chapters in works of fiction riddled with plots holes which are overcome by...well...the holes in the story are not repaired. The authors of these works of fiction simply don't care. Add. Subtract. Make it up. At least Hollywood uses 'magic' as a device to fill in the blanks. That makes them more cognizant of their failings than at least a dozen of the regular posters under this section of the forum. We better get it together people. This isn't a bedtime story you make up as you go along. It's not abstract. Not a thought exercise. The study of the end of the age should lead to understanding of that time, not a chance to present personal philosophy. So what's your favorite method? Literal? Moral? Something else? Study Paul intensely instead. "be followers of ME as i follow Christ", He wrote....= do that. Become rock solid in "justification by Faith" theology, and live to spread the Love of God as the message of the Blood Atonement so that others will find God's love for themselves. Put "end times" (study)= rabbit trail in your rear view mirror...... and keep the judgement seat of Christ in front of your eyes, till the day you are there. Edited May 9, 2020 by Behold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Last Daze Posted May 9, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 9 Topic Count: 84 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,011 Content Per Day: 1.12 Reputation: 2,519 Days Won: 4 Joined: 07/17/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted May 9, 2020 2 hours ago, Behold said: Put "end times" (study)= rabbit trail in your rear view mirror...... and keep the judgement seat of Christ in front of your eyes, till the day you are there. No need to throw out the baby with the bath water. Jesus said things like, "Behold, I have told you in advance" and "See to it that no one misleads you" and "Be on the alert." If you don't have an understanding of what lies ahead, you're at a disadvantage. Granted, end time prophecy tends to spawn heated arguments and contention but that is usually due to fleshly pride. We should approach the subject humbly and let the Holy Spirit guide us in the things to come. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marilyn C Posted May 10, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 30 Topic Count: 266 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 13,204 Content Per Day: 3.49 Reputation: 8,497 Days Won: 12 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/06/1947 Share Posted May 10, 2020 14 hours ago, Diaste said: From my vantage point a sound approach to eschatological understanding does not hold much ground in this forum and is losing the battle. If one just held to one of the main schools of thought, or a combination, I could understand. Mostly all I see is a bunch of poorly written chapters in works of fiction riddled with plots holes which are overcome by...well...the holes in the story are not repaired. The authors of these works of fiction simply don't care. Add. Subtract. Make it up. At least Hollywood uses 'magic' as a device to fill in the blanks. That makes them more cognizant of their failings than at least a dozen of the regular posters under this section of the forum. We better get it together people. This isn't a bedtime story you make up as you go along. It's not abstract. Not a thought exercise. The study of the end of the age should lead to understanding of that time, not a chance to present personal philosophy. So what's your favorite method? Literal? Moral? Something else? Hi Diaste, I so agree and it really clouds & muddies up the waters so to speak when trying to have a Biblical conversation and not a `this is my imaginings` etc. So my approach is - 1. Recognising the specific divisions - `The Jews, the Gentiles, and the Church of God.` ( 1 Cor. 10: 32) Failure to do so is the MAJOR cause of confusion in Eschatology. 2. Specific Time-slots. God in His eternal purpose, has delineated explicit time-slots for each group. a) Nation of Israel - Abraham to the Cross ........Trib. (Gen. 12: 2, Dan. 9: 24 - 27) b) Times of the Gentiles - Babylonian captivity to Armageddon. (Luke 21: 24 - 27, Jer. 25: 11, Dan. 9: 24 - 27, Rev. 11: 2) c) The Church - Pentecost to Rapture. (Eph. 3: 2 - 22, 1 Thess. 4: 15 - 18) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted May 10, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.23 Reputation: 9,762 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted May 10, 2020 @Marilyn C I am a bit confused with point number 1, speaking about specific divisions. In Galatians 3:26-29 we read something different. For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise. Why continue the division Jesus resolved? I first wondered this when I read your reply to Wayne in the thread titled "Where in heavenly Jerusalem do you want to live ?" as you said "I`m certainly NOT looking for that city, as it was promised to the OT saints. (Heb. 11: 16) I personally am looking to what the Lord has promised the Body of Christ.` This seems like a contradiction. Can you clear this up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marilyn C Posted May 10, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 30 Topic Count: 266 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 13,204 Content Per Day: 3.49 Reputation: 8,497 Days Won: 12 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/06/1947 Share Posted May 10, 2020 38 minutes ago, OneLight said: @Marilyn C I am a bit confused with point number 1, speaking about specific divisions. In Galatians 3:26-29 we read something different. For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise. Why continue the division Jesus resolved? I first wondered this when I read your reply to Wayne in the thread titled "Where in heavenly Jerusalem do you want to live ?" as you said "I`m certainly NOT looking for that city, as it was promised to the OT saints. (Heb. 11: 16) I personally am looking to what the Lord has promised the Body of Christ.` This seems like a contradiction. Can you clear this up? Hi OneLight, Thank you for asking that question. I`m sure it has come to mind in many people. In Gal. we read of no divisions IN the Body of Christ. However that does not take away that there are 3 groups that God has plans for - 1. The nations. 2. Israel. (called out of the nations) 3. The Body of Christ. (called out of Israel & the nations) We read in God`s word that God has purposes for these 3 groups. And since Israel has become a nation, we can actually see the 3 groups in our life time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted May 10, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.23 Reputation: 9,762 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted May 10, 2020 20 minutes ago, Marilyn C said: Hi OneLight, Thank you for asking that question. I`m sure it has come to mind in many people. In Gal. we read of no divisions IN the Body of Christ. However that does not take away that there are 3 groups that God has plans for - 1. The nations. 2. Israel. (called out of the nations) 3. The Body of Christ. (called out of Israel & the nations) We read in God`s word that God has purposes for these 3 groups. And since Israel has become a nation, we can actually see the 3 groups in our life time. One more step, if you would. Please provide scripture for this plan that you God has these three groups. This is the very first time I have ever heard someone claim this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marilyn C Posted May 10, 2020 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 30 Topic Count: 266 Topics Per Day: 0.07 Content Count: 13,204 Content Per Day: 3.49 Reputation: 8,497 Days Won: 12 Joined: 12/21/2013 Status: Offline Birthday: 10/06/1947 Share Posted May 10, 2020 4 hours ago, OneLight said: One more step, if you would. Please provide scripture for this plan that you God has these three groups. This is the very first time I have ever heard someone claim this. Hi OneLight, I do appreciate your gracious approach. I know that people generally have been taught differently. I am over 70 and have been taught this by men from the Welsh revival and whom they taught, (from England and Scotland) Actually my grandparents came out to Australia from Scotland as missionaries in the `30`s. So I did write scriptures back further. However it is a big subject and I know that you carefully look through God`s word. So you may like to look at what I wrote in my blogs here on Worthy under the title of `God`s Eternal Purposes.` Here is the contents to give you an idea how I set it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diaste Posted May 10, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 14 Topic Count: 67 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 6,628 Content Per Day: 1.99 Reputation: 2,368 Days Won: 2 Joined: 03/17/2015 Status: Offline Author Share Posted May 10, 2020 22 hours ago, ENOCH2010 said: Literal, if the Bible is silent on a subject, I'm silent, and just smile when people add or subtract to it with their opinion. Agreed. It's been my experience that if allegory or analogy is present in the text it's very clear. Rev 12 for example, "And there appeared a great wonder in heaven..." among the myriad of cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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