THE GOSPEL OF THE CIRCUMCISION IS FOR ISRAEL

[Eddy Crocker]

1 hour ago, douge said:

Sorry but that could result in believing the wrong gospel .....believing Mark 16:16 as an example.

Explain that? Believing the wrong gospel. So your telling me there’s two different gospels in the Bible? What good is the Bible then? You must be talking about yourself believing the wrong gospel looking through the lenses of the doctrines of men. 

[Retrobyter]

31 minutes ago, douge said:

The Gentiles grafted in were Gentiles in the remnant of Israel, not the body of Christ.

Shalom, douge.

Well, that's just not sensible! What do you think the word "Christ"means? And, if you know, then how can one have a "body of the Christ" without being graffed into the remnant of Israel?

[Retrobyter]

3 hours ago, douge said:

A covenant does not require death. A testament requires the death of the testator. 

The new covenant is future, the new testament has occurred.

Shalom, douge.

Well, yes and no. This is GOD'S covenant, after all. And, even when the Testator has died, He lives again! The New Covenant is with ISRAEL, not with just anybody. However, as Gentile believers come to the LORD for His forgiveness, He graffs them into the Commonwealth (the Citizenship) of the House of Israel!

[DeighAnn]

6 hours ago, douge said:

The body of Christ was not formed until it was revealed to Paul. The remnant was not in the body.

Please let me know the chapters and verses you are finding this in.  

Are you saying that 
Acts 3:6 Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk.

Acts 3:7 And he took him by the right hand, and lifted him up: and immediately his feet and ankle bones received strength.


These are not "in the body"?  Or 
Acts 3:12 And when Peter saw it, he answered unto the people, Ye men of Israel, why marvel ye at this? or why look ye so earnestly on us, as though by our own power or holiness we had made this man to walk?

Acts 3:13 The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go.

Acts 3:14 But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you;

Acts 3:15 And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.

Acts 3:16 And his name through faith in his name hath made this man strong, whom ye see and know: yea, the faith which is by him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.

Acts 3:17 And now, brethren, I wot that through ignorance ye did it, as did also your rulers.

Acts 3:18 But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.

Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.

If these are not counted "in the body" to what are they counted?

Acts 3:20 And He shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:

Acts 3:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

How are these to be "counted"?
Acts 4:3 And they laid hands on them, and put them in hold unto the next day: for it was now eventide.

Acts 4:4 Howbeit many of them which heard the word believed; and the number of the men was about five thousand.

What about these?
Acts 4:32 And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.

Acts 4:33 And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.

Acts 4:34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,

Acts 4:35 And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.

Where do these guys fall?

 

 

Acts 8:36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?

Acts 8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

Acts 8:38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.

Acts 8:39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.

Acts 8:40 But Philip was found at Azotus: and passing through he preached in all the cities, till he came to Caesarea.

 

NOW HERE COMES PAUL.  I  could post more scripture but I figure I better get the verses from you that "separates" the believers in Christ as either "in the body or not".   

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Acts 9:1 And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest,

Acts 9:2 And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem.

Acts 9:3 And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:

Acts 9:4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?

Acts 9:5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

Acts 9:6 And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.

 

 

[DeighAnn]

6 hours ago, douge said:

The Gentiles grafted in were Gentiles in the remnant of Israel, not the body of Christ.

That makes no sense to me.  

There is only one body of Christ.  There are the branches and the grafted in branches.  There is no other body.  You are either saved or not.  Saved, body of Christ.  Unsaved not. 

It is not possible for ANY of the remnant to be a Gentile as a GENTILE IS

1484 Definition: a race, a nation, the nations (as distinct from Israel)
Usage: a race, people, nation; the nations, heathen world, Gentiles.

AND THE REMNANT ARE of Israel

[DeighAnn]

12 hours ago, Roar said:

Therefore the forces of Satan seek to destroy the Jews in Israel so that God's Word cannot be fulfilled there. Its not really hard to understand when you understand the players motivations.

I agree with this.  (and if Satan had understood then....)


Satan to deceive.  God to test


and how does Satan destroy?  Through DECEPTION. 
What does Satan want?  To Deceive
Why for? To be Worshipped as God
How will he accomplish it?  Not only through lies and deception but wonders and miracles. 
When do you NOT need to worry?  When you hear of wars and rumors of wars.
When do you NEED to worry?  When you hear "peace and safety" because when Satan stands in Gods Place, claiming to be God 
THEN AND ONLY THEN (well, 2 witnesses) DOES SUDDEN DESTRUTION COME.

Another way he will accomplish,   
by diverting all the love that is right now going to the LORD, to himself.  

The great apostasy ISN'T BECAUSE anyone who loves God WANTS to follow Satan 
(please excuse the Capitol letters, I am not yelling, just lazy)
IT IS BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW ANY BETTER.  THEY DON'T KNOW IT'S SATAN.  THEY DON'T KNOW THEY HAVE FALLEN AWAY.  THEY ARE IGNORANT OF GODS WORD.  THEY DIDN'T PUT ON THE GOSPEL ARMOR.  THEY DON'T KNOW THERE ARE FIERY DARTS COMING AT THEM.  THEY DON'T KNOW THAT THE SCORPION STINGS AND PARALIZES AND TURNS IT'S VICTIMS INTO MUSH only TO CONSUME THEIR ETERNAL SOUL THROUGH DECEPTION. 
THEY DON'T KNOW NOT TO GO AND BUY AND SELL. THEY DON'T KNOW TO GET THE OIL NOW, WHILE THERE IS STILL SOME TO GET.  THEY DON'T KNOW THEY ARE GOING TO BE HOPPING INTO BED WITH SATAN.  THEY DON'T KNOW WHEN CHRIST RETURNS THEY WILL NO LONGER BE A VIRGIN BUT THEY WILL HAVE HOPPED INTO BED WITH SATAN.  THAT IS WHY THEY ARE WITH CHILD AND GIVING SUCK.   THEY DON'T KNOW THEY ARE TAKING THE MARK OF THE BEAST CAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW IT IS SATAN BECAUSE OF THE MIRACLES AND WONDERS.  That is why he really hates the harlot, just uses and abuses.  

SATAN IS SO GOOD AT WHAT HE IS COMING TO DO, SO CONVINCING THAT 
IF GOD HAD NOT SHORTENED THE TIME DOWN TO AN HOUR - EVEN HIS ELECT WOULD BE DECEIVED. 
NEED GOD GIVE A BETTER DESCRIPTION OF HOW REALLY DECEPTIVE SATAN IS GOING TO BE.  

WHAT WAS THE FIRST THING CHRIST SAID WHEN ASKED ABOUT THE END TIMES AND WHEN HE WAS RETURNING?
DO NOT BE DECEIVED. 

how many examples DID GOD GIVES US OF 

Follow these instructions and if you don't....If you don't listen to and follow Gods words...BAD THINGS HAPPEN.  When you do listen and follow,  they can throw you in a lions den or a furnace for that matter and "not a hair on your head"....


BUT YOU ARE RIGHT.  It is spiritual.  It is powers and principalities.  Why do you follow that statement with such carnal events? 
ITS A SPIRITUAL WAR.  AND THE HOPE OF THE ETERNAL SOUL IS AT STAKE.  BUT GOD HAS TOLD US ALL WE NEED TO WATCH, STAND, OVERCOME AND ENDURE.  His promises are true.  No worries.  
  
 

Edited June 29, 2020 by DeighAnn
got rid of word AND

[Heleadethme]

13 hours ago, douge said:

They were given various "commissions" at different times. They were to go and preach the gospel of the kingdom, the coming of the prophetic kingdom on earth. Another time they were to go and teach to the nations in the kingdom. I could give you details if you wish.

The revelation was and is that the kingdom was/is at hand.   That's what the prophets were prophesying of and that's what Jesus came preaching.  And it's  because it is an eternal heavenly kingdom rather than a temporal earthly one.  Anyone, Jew or Gentile gets translated out of the kingdom of darkness into the kingdom of light the moment they come to faith in Christ Jesus.  This is a heavenly kingdom come to earth....like the prayer that Jesus taught us to pray according to.

The word of God is a bit like an abstract painting....all sorts of people can think they see all sorts of things in it, and for their own reasons and biases etc.  But the only way to find out what the painting really means is to rely on and ask the one who painted it.

Edited June 29, 2020 by Heleadethme

[Heleadethme]

On 5/10/2020 at 4:16 PM, douge said:

Acts 3:12 And when Peter saw it, he answered unto the people, Ye men of Israel, why marvel ye at this? or why look ye so earnestly on us, as though by our own power or holiness we had made this man to walk?

After a lame man was made whole, Peter preached to the crowd. It was Israel that Peter spoke to.

3:16 And his name through faith in his name hath made this man strong, whom ye see and know: yea, the faith which is by him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.

Peter is preaching the gospel of the kingdom, plus Jesus's resurrection, and the gift of the Holy Ghost; he is preaching the gospel of the Circumcision (Galatians 2:7). He is still preaching faith in the name of Jesus.

3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.

3:20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:

3:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

Peter is preaching the gospel of the Circumcision. He is preaching faith in the risen Jesus, faith in his name, faith in Jesus being the Christ, the Messiah, the Son of God. Peter is preaching repentance to the nation, which will result in the coming of Jesus to establish his kingdom on earth; this is the "times of refreshing" and the "restitution of all things". The sacrificial death of Jesus for the new testament redeemed the iniquities of Israel under the old testament (Hebrews 9:15). For Israel their salvation is when Christ comes again, and blots out their sin. In the millennial kingdom on earth (Revelation 20:4-7), Israel will receive the new covenant, forgiveness of their iniquity, and will reign over the nations with Jesus, to be a light to the Gentiles (Jeremiah 31:31-34 Revelation 5:10 Matthew 5:14 Isaiah 60:3).

3:25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

The gospel of the Circumcision that Peter is preaching is the fulfillment of the covenant God made with the fathers of Israel.

3:26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

To Israel first was repentance and salvation offered.

In case it helps, here are scriptures below in book of Hebrews that confirm without any shadow of doubt that the new covenant spoken of in Jeremiah 31 is referring to the new covenant of the blood of Christ:

Jer 31:31-33

Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

 

Heb 8:7

For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.

For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

 

Heb 12:22-24

But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

 

[DeighAnn]

3 hours ago, Heleadethme said:

But the only way to find out what the painting really means is to rely on and ask the one who painted it.

Can I use it?  That breaks it down very nicely.

[Heleadethme]

2 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

Can I use it?  That breaks it down very nicely.

Amen, absolutely you can!  Praise the Lord!