Mary Was Just A Woman

[Guest ChristinaJMJ]

i am still curious about the calling of a man on earth 'father'??

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Completely off topic there, but I'll give you (link deleted) to read.

Edit... I apologize for posting a Catholic Apologetics link lol.

Jesus criticized Jewish leaders who love "the place of honor at feasts and the best seats in the synagogues, and salutations in the market places, and being called

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[other one]

this sot of says it all to me, and it is red for it is the words of the Lord.

Matt 23:9

9 "And do not call anyone on earth your father ; for One is your Father , He who is in heaven.

NASB

[Kansasdad]

I wrote this for someone else... hope it answers some questions for those of you who are sincerly seeking answers from me.

Is it Biblical to ask the Saints in heaven to pray for us, you ask?

Catholics say YES, since we are all part of the communion of saints.  Do you recite the Apostle

[nebula]

I have to respectfully disagree.

We know that the angels and saints place the prayers of the holy ones at God

[Can Do (Phil 4:13)]

we have to remember...... God is not religion..... and religion will not save a person from hell...  God wants a personal relationship with each and every one of us.....

at times, I envy Abraham for the closeness of his relationship, he sat and visited adn ate with God........ and then I recall David, Dancing before the Lord, and I remember I know how to dance, so I dance..... I sing.... I jump.... I yell.... and the Lord hears my voice as I lift it up in thanksgiving, in praise and He knows my heart in worship. 

I use to think God does not speak to us anymore, then he spoke to me, and I crumpled to the ground, for i could not stand any longer in His presence.

I found that Gods will for me, is for me to be His friend.  for me to Honor Him above all...... to come to Him ( as a child would their father, we are to come to the Lord as our FATHER )

if a child gets hurt.  who do they run to ????? a brother or sister or a friend?????

NO! ! ! !

They run to Daddy..... daddy can fix it.....

can mary mend a broken heart???  no

God can..... but you have to give him all the pieces.

have you talked to your Father today?  how about this hour?mike

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That just about brought me to tears. I love my Heavenly Dadda and I DO run to him when I skin my spritual knee or have a broken heart or get mad at the devil and his unholy works. I just LOVE it that He is there to love me and to discipline me when I need it.

Faithie

[Keith]

The answer to this question of whether or not praying to Mary is ok or scriptural lies only in the scriptures themselves. Not in opinion. Mary was the chosen mother of Jesus, favored by God, and that deserves respect, no doubt! But she was a sinful human being like the rest of us. She needed a Savior like we do.

Romans 3:23 "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God," There are no exceptions mentioned. Mary

[Can Do (Phil 4:13)]

The answer to this question of whether or not praying to Mary is ok or scriptural lies only in the scriptures themselves.  Not in opinion.  Mary was the chosen mother of Jesus, favored by God, and that deserves respect, no doubt!  But she was a sinful human being like the rest of us.  She needed a Savior like we do.

Romans 3:23  "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,"  There are no exceptions mentioned.  Mary

[Keith]

Well done Keith, your reply was IMHO accurate, succinct and appropriate. Keith wins another fan over with great logic and faith.

Faithie

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That's absolutely gracious of you, Faithie. I'm sure you won't mind if I hand over the fan-winning, logic and faith parts to Jesus though! I love the Word!

And to my Catholic brothers and sisters, I love you dearly!!!!

[Ovedya]

The question in my mind always boils down to what I see being portrayed with respect to how people carry out their "respect" of this woman. I ask myself, "Is this worship, or is it mere "respect?"

Then I ask myself, "How would a normal person respond to this type of behavior?" In other words, if I were placed in such a position, would I feel honored or would I feel like too much honor was being placed upon me?

I honestly cannot say for myself that the following images portray mere "respect" for the woman, Mary:

http://www.aloha.net/~mikesch/fatima_statue.jpg

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/images/pope4.jpg

http://www.incrediblepeople.com/image/mary_statue(1027).jpg

http://www2.seasite.niu.edu/PicDB/East/01247.jpg

There is a statue of Mary that today exists. It is adorned with a crown of gold, diamonds, and precious stones. All together it is literally a "treasure." it is priceless. The monitary value of that statue alone could feed poor people in Africa and other parts of the world for years. Yet it stands alone, as a sign of "respect" for the mother of Jesus.

Putting myself in Mary's sandals for minute, I ask myself: Could I, as a lover of the Lord Jesus, permit other believers to venerate me in such a manner? Could I allow them to construct such lavish statues of my image and cart them around on their backs while others throw money and flowers upon it? Could I allow them to flock to sanctuaries built in my name, and permit some to even crawl for miles on bare hands and knees so that they would be able to pray before that image?

How then could a woman, a sinner such as myself, be honored by such things? Honestly, as much as I selfishly seek the attention and respect of my peers and loved ones on the earth, I could never allow such utter idolatry to be committed upon me.

[Keith]

The question in my mind always boils down to what I see being portrayed with respect to how people carry out their "respect" of this woman.  I ask myself, "Is this worship, or is it mere "respect?"

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Yes, there is indeed a solid line between respect and worship. Perhaps a better thing for me to have said would have been, "I respect God in His choice of Mary."

Putting myself in Mary's sandals for minute, I ask myself:  Could I, as a lover of the Lord Jesus, permit other believers to venerate me in such a manner?  Could I allow them to construct such lavish statues of my image and cart them around on their backs while others throw money and flowers upon it?  Could I allow them to flock to sanctuaries built in my name, and permit some to even crawl for miles on bare hands and knees so that they would be able to pray before that image?

How then could a woman, a sinner such as myself, be honored by such things?  Honestly, as much as I selfishly seek the attention and respect of my peers and loved ones on the earth, I could never allow such utter idolatry to be committed upon me.

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A most excellent point.