Lockdown church? Straight jacket the church

[vic66]

Should christian ministries obey lock down ?

Is it right not to feed the flock of God as a minister because of lock down ?

Is it right not to sing in church because of government directive on covidv19 in the world?

If ministers don't look after the members, becauce of covidv19 will the sheeps / lambs (Members blood) be on the ministers hands.

Scirptually  when should ministries ignore rulers?

When should they obey

Finally how about not foresaking the assembling of ourselves as the manner of some is, but exhorting one and another and so much the more as you see the day approaching Hebrews 10:25

 

Edited May 11, 2020 by vic66

[missmuffet]

The Bible tells us that we are to obey the Government unless it goes against the Word of the Bible. Going to Church is not a salvation issue. There are other ways to have a personal relationship with God. 

[vic66]

9 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

The Bible tells us that we are to obey the Government unless it goes against the Word of the Bible. Going to Church is not a salvation issue. There are other ways to have a personal relationship with God. 

How about the command from Hebrews  not to the forsake the assembling of

ourself, even more so as the day of christ  draws closer and closer.

Should we be watching in prayer fellowship and exhortation of the word

The bridegroom is at hand.

Edited May 11, 2020 by vic66

[LadyKay]

Oh look. Another "anti-stay at home" thread from vic66! Okay....I'm ready! 

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Should christian ministries obey lock down ?

Yes. 

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Is it right not to feed the flock of God as a minister because of lock down ?

No.  But there are many many ways to feed God's sheep.  You have to be smart enough to think outside the box though to do it. 

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Is it right not to sing in church because of government directive on covidv19 in the world?

Yes. So I sing at home. I sing in the shower. I sing in my Jeep. I sing when I do the dishes. 

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If ministers don't look after the members, becauce of covidv19 will the sheeps / lambs (Members blood) be on the ministers hands.

I think the church family as a whole should look after each other in all times.  A phone call. An email mail message. A card or letter in the mail. 

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Scirptually  when should ministries ignore rulers?

Hummm........Perhaps if they are made for reason other than for the  health and safety of people. Such laws have always been in place. For example you can't have overcrowding in the church building due to fire codes. 

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When should they obey

Churches should be good citizens of their community. And try to obey all laws of the community. But especially laws for health and safety reasons. 

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Finally how about not foresaking the assembling of ourselves as the manner of some is, 

We have not forsaken the assembling.  We meet every Sunday morning at 10:45 over the net.  I do not think that God wants us to be foolhardy. He gave each of us a mind in which we can reason. 

Well I think I answer everything. If you have any more questions feel free to ask. 

[LadyKay]

47 minutes ago, vic66 said:

How about the command from Hebrews  not to the forsake the assembling of

ourself, even more so as the day of christ  draws closer and closer.

Should we be watching in prayer fellowship and exhortation of the word

The bridegroom is at hand.

Okay. You do have access to the internet. Because you are here talking to us now. Is there some reason you can not have a worship service over the net? Ours we can type in and talk to each other in real time. Just as we would be doing at church. Now do I want to do this form of worship forever? No I do not. None of us do. But this is what we have to do for now. Until things are better.  It is a temporary situation. Our God does not just live inside the walls of a church building.  He is with each and everyone one of us at all times. He is with each of us who are worshiping on Sunday morning watching a live stream service over the net.  My pastor and his wife have been putting together little gift bags and dropping them off to people from the church at their homes. Setting them on the steps and waving to them when they came to the door to pick them up. This should be the time that we Christians should be shining like the light we are meant to be in a dark world!    Again no one is saying this is how the church will worship forever. No one is saying this is better then what we did before. But this is what we have to do for now!  

Go, my people, enter your rooms and shut the doors behind you; hide yourselves for a little while until his wrath has passed by. Isaiah 26:20

Edited May 11, 2020 by LadyKay

[AnOrangeCat]

I think this is a good time for people to re-evaluate their definition of church. Listening to the pastor preach a sermon is fine, but there are more ways to feed the flock. God has given us multiple ways to assemble ourselves and reach out even in conditions like this. His ability to bless and make His presence known are certainly not hindered by distance and technology.

[vic66]

35 minutes ago, LadyKay said:

Oh look. Another "anti-stay at home" thread from vic66! Okay....I'm ready! 

Yes. 

No.  But there are many many ways to feed God's sheep.  You have to be smart enough to think outside the box though to do it. 

Yes. So I sing at home. I sing in the shower. I sing in my Jeep. I sing when I do the dishes. 

I think the church family as a whole should look after each other in all times.  A phone call. An email mail message. A card or letter in the mail. 

Hummm........Perhaps if they are made for reason other than for the  health and safety of people. Such laws have always been in place. For example you can't have overcrowding in the church building due to fire codes. 

Churches should be good citizens of their community. And try to obey all laws of the community. But especially laws for health and safety reasons. 

We have not forsaken the assembling.  We meet every Sunday morning at 10:45 over the net.  I do not think that God wants us to be foolhardy. He gave each of us a mind in which we can reason. 

Well I think I answer everything. If you have any more questions feel free to ask. 

Meeting over The net isn't really the fellowship God intended for the local church.

Christ Is coming again and the apostle said our fellowship should increase not shut down.

It a command to come together not over the net but cooperate worship

I see it as a subtil attack by  the powers of darkness under the cover of fighting covid 19.

The church is Christ tools and organ for reaching out to the unsaved and it sould resist lock down

Edited May 11, 2020 by vic66

[LadyKay]

36 minutes ago, vic66 said:

It a command to come together not over the net but cooperate worship

Well I check the Bible and I did not see anything in there saying we can not do internet church in such a time as now. 

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Meeting over The net isn't really the fellowship God intended for the local church.

Yeah I explain that in my second post understanding that church over the net is not want we want to be doing, but what it is we need to be doing at this time in our lives. 

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Christ Is coming again and the apostle said our fellowship should increase not shut down.

It has not shut down. At less mine has not. If yours has shut down maybe you should contact your pastor and see about having services over the net. 

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The church is Christ tools and organ for reaching out to the unsaved and it sould resist lock down

I am very sorry that you seem to be holding on to the believe that Jesus can not work outside of the walls of the church. We had a whole family saved over our online Easter service last month. 

Edited May 11, 2020 by LadyKay

[Neighbor]

2 hours ago, vic66 said:

Should christian ministries obey lock down ?

Is it right not to feed the flock of God as a minister because of lock down ?

Is it right not to sing in church because of government directive on covidv19 in the world?

If ministers don't look after the members, becauce of covidv19 will the sheeps / lambs (Members blood) be on the ministers hands.

Scirptually  when should ministries ignore rulers?

When should they obey

Finally how about not foresaking the assembling of ourselves as the manner of some is, but exhorting one and another and so much the more as you see the day approaching Hebrews 10:25

 

Hi,

Are you part of any local body  of Christ Jesus? I ask because the presentation made seems to be askew of facts in evidence.

 I associate with more than one local body of Christ Jesus. Each group has been extremely active during this so called lock down.  It is not a lockdown for we have had worship and sermon via youtube and facebook, plus prayer times, plus zoom conferences,  plus ministry to the local community helping  those with needs, gathering food and support  for many in need.

Some have had parking lot services as well, and are now planning the  worship building services for this coming weekend where we will have multiple services Saturdays and Sundays, More choices with fewer people in each time slot, plus Tuesday prayer meetings, and other group functions . All without violating  government decrees.

The extra times of contact via facebook and Youtube will continue as well. So there is expansion of outreach  as well as teaching and worship, not a contraction of opportunity.

The churches  are flexing  muscles learning to be strong  and very active in the face of harsh times. This is grand stuff no one is hidingtheir light under a bushel basket, most everyone is bold in  proclaiming the gospel of Jesus as never before in my lifetime.

[Neighbor]

2 hours ago, missmuffet said:

The Bible tells us that we are to obey the Government unless it goes against the Word of the Bible. Going to Church is not a salvation issue. There are other ways to have a personal relationship with God. 

"There are other ways to have a personal relationship with God." Forsaking  regular assembly with the saints is not one of them.