Name That King! Revealing the Beast.

[DeighAnn]

From the Greek maybe?

 

1  We implore now you brothers by the coming of the Lord of us Jesus Christ and our gathering together unto Him

 

2  for not quickly to be shaken you in mind nor to be troubled neither by spirit nor by word nor by letter as if by us

(what letter?  1 THESSALONIANS )  (you know that letter that all the pre tribs point and then try to convince you that  Christ does come first)

 

as that is present the day of the Lord  

( OMG, as I live and breath, the "any minute doctrine" )

 

3 No one you should deceive in not one way because {it is} if not {until} shall have come the apostasy first and shall have been revealed the man of lawlessness the son of destruction

(Don't be deceived,  "IN NOT ONE WAY .  I can think of ONE WAY that we are trying to be deceived today.  BUT in no way, no how, by no one, not at any time, not by any means, not by any "wisdom", no matter how hard they try, no matter how many of them come against you, no matter how much they lie, no matter how much sense it may seem to make, no matter how much you yourself want it to be truth, no matter how long you have taught anything different,, no matter who you think the church is comprised of,

don't let anyone make you believe that Christ will come BEFORE the apostasy and Satan being revealed  BECAUSEs those things just HAVE TO COME/HAVE TO HAPPEN first). 

 

 

Again, "IN NOT ONE WAY would,  most definitely include"a pre SATAN/trib rapture" which by the definition is
" CHRIST WILL COME, WILL GATHER,  BEFORE".  

 

with EXCUSES, like,  that "not to suffer wrath" and that "keep you from the hour" and that "Church is only comprised of gentiles" and "there is a coming and a return"  and the threats of "you will be left behind and suffer Gods Wrath"  (and people are buying  that stuff today.  Satan isn't going to have any problems deceiving anyone who can read these first 3 verses and allow themselves to not only believe but to go even further and TEACH the same,  and only with much wisdom of man,  arrive at the complete opposite conclusion)

 

4  the {one} opposing and exalting himself above every so-called god or object of worship so as for him in the temple of God to sit down setting forth he himself that is God

Yep, just the ONE adversary that we are introducd to within the first 3 Chapters of the letter written to us to explain who we are, how we got here, what is going on and why,  along with the most specific  details . 

That explains why Jesus never spoke either directly or indirectly about a "coming but not all the way day" or "another Advent" or "another marriage"  or "another ascension" or a "divided church" etc

 

5  Not do you remember that yet being with you these things I was saying to you?

Paul REMINDING them ' this is the truth that was given.  There is no any minute return because Satan must come first.  

 

6  And now that which is restraining you know for to be revealed him in his time. 

 

 

7  The for mystery already is working of lawlessness only {there is} the {one} restraining {it} at present until out of {the} midst he might be {gone}

Who is the one?  Michael, and then "in his time" he will no longer be in the midst of heaven

 

8  And then will be revealed the lawless {one} whom the Lord Jesus will slay with the breath of the mouth of Him and will annul by the appearing of the coming of Him

And what is revealed to us here?  That when the Lord Jesus returns/comes Satan will be annulled

 

9  whose is coming according to {the} working of Satan in every power and in signs and in wonders of falsehood

  in WONDERS OF FALSEHOOD.  No surprise here. 

 

10  and in every deceit of wickedness unto those perishing in return for which the love of the truth not they received in order for to be saved them.

And there will be those who perish simply because their own pride IMO stopped them from loving the truth.

 

11  And because of this will send God a working of delusion for to believe them what {is} false

So why am i writing all this?  Because those working under a delusion God has sent, don't see it. In the name of Jesus, rebuke the rest.  So it must be for one, searching for truth.  You will know if it is you as when God opens your eyes to a truth there is no doubt it has happened AND everywhere you go in the word, you find back up for it.  You are never left to say "oh it really means" , it will never be taken from you by any means, it will never leave you. 

 

12  in order that should be judged all those not having believed the truth but having delighted in unrighteousness

 

 

13  We however ought to give thanks to God always concerning you brothers beloved by {the} Lord that has chosen you God from {the} beginning unto salvation in {the}sanctification of  {the} Spirit and {by} faith of {the} truth

 

14  to this also He called you through the gospel of us to {the} obtaining of {the} glory of the Lord

 

15  So then brothers stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught whether by word or by letter from us

 

 

16  Himself now the Lord of us Jesus Christ and God the Father of us the {One} having loved us and having given {us} comfort eternal and hope good by grace

 

17  may He encourage your hearts and may He strengthen {them} in every work and word good

 

 

[The Light]

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and with the first trumpet judgment; the midpoint of the week (time of the abomination) is in chapter 11.

Iamlamad, I can't find the abomination in Revelation 11. Could you point out the verses that show it happens then?

Edited June 9, 2020 by The Light

[The Light]

On 6/7/2020 at 5:40 PM, iamlamad said:

 

 The days of GT FINALLY begin in chapter 15.

Can you also show what verses tell us that the Great Tribulation begins in Rev 15.

[iamlamad]

On 6/8/2020 at 10:27 AM, DeighAnn said:

From the Greek maybe?

 

1  We implore now you brothers by the coming of the Lord of us Jesus Christ and our gathering together unto Him

 

2  for not quickly to be shaken you in mind nor to be troubled neither by spirit nor by word nor by letter as if by us

(what letter?  1 THESSALONIANS )  (you know that letter that all the pre tribs point and then try to convince you that  Christ does come first)

 

as that is present the day of the Lord  

( OMG, as I live and breath, the "any minute doctrine" )

 

3 No one you should deceive in not one way because {it is} if not {until} shall have come the apostasy first and shall have been revealed the man of lawlessness the son of destruction

(Don't be deceived,  "IN NOT ONE WAY .  I can think of ONE WAY that we are trying to be deceived today.  BUT in no way, no how, by no one, not at any time, not by any means, not by any "wisdom", no matter how hard they try, no matter how many of them come against you, no matter how much they lie, no matter how much sense it may seem to make, no matter how much you yourself want it to be truth, no matter how long you have taught anything different,, no matter who you think the church is comprised of,

don't let anyone make you believe that Christ will come BEFORE the apostasy and Satan being revealed  BECAUSEs those things just HAVE TO COME/HAVE TO HAPPEN first). 

 

 

Again, "IN NOT ONE WAY would,  most definitely include"a pre SATAN/trib rapture" which by the definition is
" CHRIST WILL COME, WILL GATHER,  BEFORE".  

 

with EXCUSES, like,  that "not to suffer wrath" and that "keep you from the hour" and that "Church is only comprised of gentiles" and "there is a coming and a return"  and the threats of "you will be left behind and suffer Gods Wrath"  (and people are buying  that stuff today.  Satan isn't going to have any problems deceiving anyone who can read these first 3 verses and allow themselves to not only believe but to go even further and TEACH the same,  and only with much wisdom of man,  arrive at the complete opposite conclusion)

 

4  the {one} opposing and exalting himself above every so-called god or object of worship so as for him in the temple of God to sit down setting forth he himself that is God

Yep, just the ONE adversary that we are introducd to within the first 3 Chapters of the letter written to us to explain who we are, how we got here, what is going on and why,  along with the most specific  details . 

That explains why Jesus never spoke either directly or indirectly about a "coming but not all the way day" or "another Advent" or "another marriage"  or "another ascension" or a "divided church" etc

 

5  Not do you remember that yet being with you these things I was saying to you?

Paul REMINDING them ' this is the truth that was given.  There is no any minute return because Satan must come first.  

 

6  And now that which is restraining you know for to be revealed him in his time. 

 

 

7  The for mystery already is working of lawlessness only {there is} the {one} restraining {it} at present until out of {the} midst he might be {gone}

Who is the one?  Michael, and then "in his time" he will no longer be in the midst of heaven

 

8  And then will be revealed the lawless {one} whom the Lord Jesus will slay with the breath of the mouth of Him and will annul by the appearing of the coming of Him

And what is revealed to us here?  That when the Lord Jesus returns/comes Satan will be annulled

 

9  whose is coming according to {the} working of Satan in every power and in signs and in wonders of falsehood

  in WONDERS OF FALSEHOOD.  No surprise here. 

 

10  and in every deceit of wickedness unto those perishing in return for which the love of the truth not they received in order for to be saved them.

And there will be those who perish simply because their own pride IMO stopped them from loving the truth.

 

11  And because of this will send God a working of delusion for to believe them what {is} false

So why am i writing all this?  Because those working under a delusion God has sent, don't see it. In the name of Jesus, rebuke the rest.  So it must be for one, searching for truth.  You will know if it is you as when God opens your eyes to a truth there is no doubt it has happened AND everywhere you go in the word, you find back up for it.  You are never left to say "oh it really means" , it will never be taken from you by any means, it will never leave you. 

 

12  in order that should be judged all those not having believed the truth but having delighted in unrighteousness

 

 

13  We however ought to give thanks to God always concerning you brothers beloved by {the} Lord that has chosen you God from {the} beginning unto salvation in {the}sanctification of  {the} Spirit and {by} faith of {the} truth

 

14  to this also He called you through the gospel of us to {the} obtaining of {the} glory of the Lord

 

15  So then brothers stand firm and hold fast to the traditions that you were taught whether by word or by letter from us

 

 

16  Himself now the Lord of us Jesus Christ and God the Father of us the {One} having loved us and having given {us} comfort eternal and hope good by grace

 

17  may He encourage your hearts and may He strengthen {them} in every work and word good

 

 

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(what letter?  1 THESSALONIANS )

   Sister, you messed up almost before you got started. Did you not read "nor by letter as if by us"

AS IF by us means NOT BY US. Paul was not sure how they heard that "the day" had started and they were in it.  (Granted, since this is his second letter, they had his first. 

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(you know that letter that all the pre tribs point and then try to convince you that  Christ does come first)

AS far as I know, no pretribber every points to a letter that does not exist! (Anyway, it could have been a prophecy, and not a letter. 

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3 No one you should deceive in not one way because {it is} if not {until} shall have come the apostasy first and shall have been revealed the man of lawlessness the son of destruction

(Don't be deceived,  "IN NOT ONE WAY...

 

This word for word translation is very difficult because our order of words is different. Let's look at some others:

CSB    Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way. For that day will not come unless the apostasia comes first and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.  [changed "apostasy" to the original Greek word apostasia]

GNV    Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a departing first, and that that man of sin be disclosed, even the son of perdition.

HCSB    Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way. For that day will not come unless the apostasia comes first and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction.  [changed "apostasy" to the original Greek word apostasia]

NASB    Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasia comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,  [changed "apostasy" to the original Greek word apostasia]

Tyndale   Let no ma deceave you by eny meanes for the lorde commeth not excepte ther come a departynge fyrst and that that synfnll man be opened ye sonne of perdicion

Coverdale  Let noman disceaue you by eny meanes. For the LORDE commeth not, excepte the departynge come first, and that that Man of synne be opened, euen the sonne of perdicion,

Geneva Bible  Let no man deceiue you by any meanes: for that day shall not come, except there come a departing first, and that that man of sinne be disclosed, euen the sonne of perdition

As you can see, we have three verses with the original "apostasia" and three with the English word "departing." 

Apostasia is a Greek compound word made up of "Apo" and "Stasia." (stä'-se-on) We get our English word "stationary" as in not moving from that word. 

For "Apo"  G575: Strong's tells us:

1  of separation
    A   of local separation, after verbs of motion from a place i.e. of departing, of fleeing,...
    B   of separation of a part from the whole
        1.  where of a whole some part is taken
    C  of any kind of separation of one thing from another by which the union or fellowship of the two is destroyed 
    D  of a state of separation, that is of distance 
        1.  physical, of distance of place
        2. temporal, of distance of time 
(Emphasis added)

Can you see why some of the first translators into English chose the English word "departing?"  Note carefully, in the original Greek that is absolutely no information given as to WHO or WHAT is departing from who or what.  Putting the compound word back together, it is speaking of a departing happening SO FAST all those not departing seem stationary- not moving. Let's look at the verse again, were departing is used: in context (NASB)

² that you not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or a message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. 3  Let no man deceiue you by any meanes: for that day shall not come, except there come a departing first, and that that man of sinne be disclosed, euen the sonne of perdition

Next, what is meant by "that day?" Paul is referring back to the Day of the Lord in the previous day.  What did they know of the day of the Lord back then? They knew from Old Testament scriptures that it was a dark day of destruction, where God would destroy the world and the sinners in the world.  It is interesting to note and must not be missed, that in Paul's first letter he made it clear that the rapture would come before the Day of the Lord - and more: that the rapture would trigger the Day of the Lord - making them back to back events that could not be separated in time. 

So WHY were they so 'shaken from" their "composure" (disturbed) that the day of the Lord had already started and they were now IN IT? It should be VERY obvious: Paul told them the rapture would come first: THEN the Day of the Lord, but THEY WERE STILL HERE: so either Paul was mistaken, or they had missed the rapture: that would be enough to shake people up even today. 

We can be SURE when Paul was there, he taught them in agreement with first letter, which, of course, we have. So what we read in his second letter MUST agree with his first. 

So how was Paul going to answer them - allow them to get their composure back?  He could have just said, "No, the day of the Lord has not come." But then with the next wind of doctrine, they may write him yet again. So Paul's answer is to explain how ANYONE could know for sure when the Day of the Lord has started. 

Pauls argument then on HOW TO KNOW if the Day has come: FIRST (something has to be first) will come a very significant DEPARTING. Then, after the departing, the man of sin will be revealed, and then, finally, all who see these two things will KNOW that the Day has started and they are now IN the day of the Lord.

So what does Paul mean by "the departing?" Remember, it has to be a very significant departing so all will know it is the departing Paul had in mind. 

To answer, we must understand verses 6 - 8. 

⁶ And you know what restrains him now, so that in his time he will be revealed. ⁷ For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way. ⁸ Then that lawless one will be revealed...

Note that Paul wrote, "and you know..." the KJV has it NOW you know...

So let me ask the readers: DO YOU know what or who the restrainer is? You should for Paul said it. (Sadly some don't know because they don't understand this passage.)

Notice what Paul is saying: there is lawlessness at work, but it is being RESTRAINED: held back. Held back from what? From the man of sin being revealed to the world! Someone is restraining him, preventing him from being revealed before God WANTS him revealed.  So what must happen then so that he CAN BE revealed?

The one restraining must be "take out of the way." Then, AFTER the restrainer has been taken out of the way or is "gone from the midst" as another translation has it, then and only then will the man of sin be revealed.  Now lets look at verse 3 again:

Let no man deceiue you by any meanes: for that day shall not come, except there come a departing first, and that that man of sinne be disclosed, euen the sonne of perdition

I counted 31 different English translations that have this as "IS revealed." Here is one:

 

Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,  (NKJV)

Wait a minute! Whoa! He CAN'T be revealed until the one restraining is "taken out of the way!" So how in the word is he revealed here in verse 3? 

Most people just don't want to hear the answer: He IS revealed because in the first part of this verse Pauls shows us that the restrainer HAS BEEN "taken out of the way.

There is only ONE WORD in the first part of verse 3 that could possibly be something departed or taken out of the way. It is in the word "apostasia."  Let's rewrite this verse:

Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the [one restraining is taken out of the way] first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,

Now the meaning is perfectly clear and is in perfect agreement with verses 6 through 8. 

What was Paul's THEME again?  It was HIS COMING and the rapture as shown in 1 thes. 4. Paul is revisiting that passage here.  Therefore it makes perfect sense that the departing is the gathering and the gathering is the departing. 

Question, at the rapture will  "a part from the whole" be "taken out of the way" and it happen SO FAST the rest of the world is just left standing? They will have had NO TIME to move?

You KNOW this is true. What you wrote is myth - except the scriptures. 

 

[iamlamad]

55 minutes ago, The Light said:

Can you also show what verses tell us that the Great Tribulation begins in Rev 15.

Why do you always have me do your homework? Did you not read how the beheaded are JUST THEN showing up in heaven? Where then did these beheaded come from?

² And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.

Note carefully: WHERE did they just come from: From the enforcing of the MARK and the enforcing of the image of the Beast - the very events that is going to CAUSE those days of GT. They got victory over the Beast, the mark and image by REFUSING to bow to the image, and REFUSING the take the mark - so they got victory by losing their heads.

[iamlamad]

1 hour ago, The Light said:

Iamlamad, I can't find the abomination in Revelation 11. Could you point out the verses that show it happens then?

Of course you cannot: God did not show it to John, so John never wrote it. But make no mistake, it is there. 

What did Jesus say? WHEN you see the abomination, then FLEE (no time to stop for a coat). So where do we see this fleeing? It is in 12:6. Does 12:1-5 have anything to do with the abomination? No, they are a parenthesis. How about chapter 11? Is there a significant event that could be seen as a "marker?" (and the same marker be used for the start of the week and end of the week?) I saw the 7th trumpet.  The 7th seal could be seen as the start of the week, and the 7th vial could be seen as the end of the week. I found what God sent me to find: the entire 70th week "clearly marked." 

[The Light]

3 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

Why do you always have me do your homework?

Trying to get you to support what you say with scripture. It cuts down on the imagination.

3 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

Did you not read how the beheaded are JUST THEN showing up in heaven? Where then did these beheaded come from?

We can find that answer clear back in Rev 7. Wonder why that is? Maybe, they didn't JUST THEN show up in heaven in Rev 15

Rev 7

¹³ And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?

¹⁴ And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

So you said,  The days of GT FINALLY begin in chapter 15.

If that is true how do you explain the tribulation comment in Revelation 7?

3 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

² And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.

Let's keep going with those verses

Rev 15

³ And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.

And they sing the song of Moses. These are Jews as is the 12 tribes across the earth.

3 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

Note carefully: WHERE did they just come from: From the enforcing of the MARK and the enforcing of the image of the Beast - the very events that is going to CAUSE those days of GT. They got victory over the Beast, the mark and image by REFUSING to bow to the image, and REFUSING the take the mark - so they got victory by losing their heads.

We can see this event preparing to occur after the 5th seal is opened.

Rev 6

¹⁰ And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

¹¹ And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellow servants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

The fellow servants and brethren are killed before the 6th seal is opened. Then Jesus returns at the 6th seal, and we see the great multitude and those that came out of great tribulation.

Wanna see it again

Rev 14

¹² Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

¹³ And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

¹⁴ And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

We see the saints dying in Rev 14 and then we see Jesus coming.

 

[The Light]

1 hour ago, iamlamad said:

Of course you cannot: God did not show it to John, so John never wrote it. But make no mistake, it is there. 

I didn't make a mistake, but there is no chance it is in Rev 11.

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What did Jesus say? WHEN you see the abomination, then FLEE (no time to stop for a coat). So where do we see this fleeing? It is in 12:6. 

Yep, it is in Rev 12:6

We can also find it in Matt 24

²¹ For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Then we see the cosmic signs immediately after the tribulation of those days. AND JESUS RETURNS

Matt 24

²⁹ Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

³⁰ And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

³¹ And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

WANNA SEE IT AGAIN?

Rev 6

⁹ And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

¹⁰ And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

¹¹ And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

¹² And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

¹³ And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

¹⁴ And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

¹⁵ And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

¹⁶ And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

 

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How about chapter 11? Is there a significant event that could be seen as a "marker?" (and the same marker be used for the start of the week and end of the week?) I saw the 7th trumpet.  The 7th seal could be seen as the start of the week,

The week is over at the 6th seal when Jesus returns. Then the wrath of God begins with the opening of the 7th seal. Then there is time, times and half a time.

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and the 7th vial could be seen as the end of the week.

The week would be over 1260 days before the end of the 7th vial. The 7th vial is the end of the wrath of God

WANNA SEE IT AGAIN?

The wrath is over at the 7th trump.

WANNA SEE IT AGAIN?

The wrath is over shortly after the end of Rev 14

²⁰ And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.

WANNA SEE IT AGAIN?

Rev 19

¹⁴ And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

¹⁵ And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

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I found what God sent me to find: the entire 70th week "clearly marked." 

If you found the week clearly marked you would know it is the 1st 6 seals.

If you are looking for the wrath of God, it starts when the 7th seal is opened.

Edited June 9, 2020 by The Light

[iamlamad]

8 minutes ago, The Light said:

I didn't make a mistake, but there is no chance it is in Rev 11.

Yep, it is in Rev 12:6

We can also find it in Matt 24

²¹ For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Then we see the cosmic signs immediately after the tribulation of those days. AND JESUS RETURNS

Matt 24

²⁹ Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

³⁰ And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

³¹ And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

WANNA SEE IT AGAIN?

Rev 6

⁹ And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

¹⁰ And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

¹¹ And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

¹² And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

¹³ And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

¹⁴ And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

¹⁵ And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

¹⁶ And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

 

The week is over at the 6th seal when Jesus returns. Then the wrath of God begins with the opening of the 7th seal. Then there is time, times and half a time.

The week would be over 1260 days before the end of the 7th vial. The 7th vial is the end of the wrath of God

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The wrath is over at the 7th trump.

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The week is over shortly after the end of Rev 14

²⁰ And the winepress was trodden without the city, and blood came out of the winepress, even unto the horse bridles, by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.

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Rev 19

¹⁴ And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

¹⁵ And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

If you found the week clearly marked you would know it is the 1st 6 seals.

If you are looking for the wrath of God, it starts when the 7th seal is opened.

No, the first five seals are church age: the rapture will end the church age just before the 6th seal. Then it will be Day of the Lord time - no longer church age. 

You made a mistake and continue it. 

Yes, Jesus did say ²¹ For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. But continued on to tell those in judea to flee the moment they see the abomination. You cannot move their fleeing: it is in chapter 12, showing us that the abomination JUST HAPPENED like two seconds before.  Make no mistake, the abomination that will divide the week is in chapter 11. This is further proven (the midpoint) by John's 5 mentions of the last half of the week, two in chapter 11 as 42 months and 1260 days, then two in chapter 12 as 1260 days and time, times and half of time. There are MIDPOINT chapter  - well, they are to everyone else but those lost in prewrath doctrine. 

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Then we see the cosmic signs immediately after the tribulation of those days. AND JESUS RETURNS

Yes, agreed: but these are limited to ONLY the cosmic signs that will be seen AFTER the tribulation of those days. They are NOT the signs at the 6th seal that are BEFORE the tribulation of those days. 

Where you miss it: these cosmic signs are seen TWICE in scripture, are for TWO Different purposes, and are different signs. One comes first before the week as the sign for the Day of the Lord. The other, comes after tribulation and is the sign for HIS COMING. 

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The week is over at the 6th seal when Jesus returns 

No, it has not even begun. 

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25 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

No, the first five seals are church age: the rapture will end the church age just before the 6th seal. Then it will be Day of the Lord time - no longer church age. 

You made a mistake and continue it. 

Yes, Jesus did say ²¹ For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. But continued on to tell those in judea to flee the moment they see the abomination. You cannot move their fleeing: it is in chapter 12, showing us that the abomination JUST HAPPENED like two seconds before.  Make no mistake, the abomination that will divide the week is in chapter 11. This is further proven (the midpoint) by John's 5 mentions of the last half of the week, two in chapter 11 as 42 months and 1260 days, then two in chapter 12 as 1260 days and time, times and half of time. There are MIDPOINT chapter  - well, they are to everyone else but those lost in prewrath doctrine. 

Yes, agreed: but these are limited to ONLY the cosmic signs that will be seen AFTER the tribulation of those days. They are NOT the signs at the 6th seal that are BEFORE the tribulation of those days. 

Where you miss it: these cosmic signs are seen TWICE in scripture, are for TWO Different purposes, and are different signs. One comes first before the week as the sign for the Day of the Lord. The other, comes after tribulation and is the sign for HIS COMING. 

No, it has not even begun. 

Well presented. I do not agree with any of it, but you tried to be thorough.