The 7 Noahide Laws, what do you know of them and do you see the danger of them?

[1to3]

Just now, ChickenCoop said:

So. In this case why are they saying that they are bad? 

Its the claws behind them

[BeauJangles]

14 minutes ago, ChickenCoop said:

So. In this case why are they saying that they are bad? 

I haven't a clue. They're all fine by me. Problem is they won't get you into Heaven. 

Jesus has be our Saviour. That's the priority right there. 

[1to3]

47 minutes ago, ChickenCoop said:

  3 minutes ago, 1to3 said:

Its the claws behind them

 

47 minutes ago, ChickenCoop said:

?? ??  I'm losted. 

 

"You may have recently heard the phrase, “the 7 Noahide Laws” or read stories about them being signed into U.S. law by George H. W. Bush back in 1991. You may have wondered what these mysterious Noahide laws are. Or maybe, like me, you initially didn’t think anything of it at all because it “sounded biblical.” Or, even worse, maybe you thought something along the lines of, “Praise Jesus! Christianity is making a breakthrough in Washington D.C., revival is coming!”

Christians beware. Just because the name Moses, Abraham, Noah, God, or even Jesus, show up in public discourse, does NOT automatically make it biblical.

“But don’t let my name fool you.” 

Noah here, is not meant in the sense of, “Laws written by one of the spiritual patriarchs of the faith who is loved and revered by Christians.” But rather, according to the Talmud (where the Noahic Laws originate) is a Jewish term meaning, “The offspring of Noah”—specifically, descendants of Ham and Japeth (as in, the gentile nations that came from Noah.) It is a clever euphemism that, on the surface, gives no Christian pause, but is meant as a means of declassifying 2/3rds of Noah’s descendants into a category that omits them from any biblical covenants made between God and man. Or, to conjure an Old Testament picture, it is putting all of us gentiles back “outside the camp.”

Public Law 102-14 is anything but a leap forward for Evangelical Christianity; but rather, it is a multi-millennial leap back to antiquity where the Israelites were set apart with special rights and godly favor within their theocratic camp; while all of the pagan nations were kept at arm’s length—uninvited to the party.

Moses our Teacher was commanded by the Almighty to compel the world to accept the Commandments of the Sons of Noah. Anyone who fails to accept them is executed.”

Mishneh Torah (Rambam), Laws of Kings and Wars, 8.13

Public Law 102-14

“On March 20th 1991 the United States Congress passed H.J Res 104, which was then signed into law by President George H. W. Bush and became Public Law No. 102-14. The language of the law asserts that the “Seven Noahide Laws” are the ethical values of civilized society and are the basis on which the American nation was founded and that without these Seven Noahide Laws society stands in peril. It is also stated that it is our nation’s “responsibility” to transmit these “ethical values” to the generations of the future and that in the future the President of the United States will sign an “international scroll” pledging to return the world to the Seven Noahide Laws through education and charity.”  (Vincent Bruno, eBlogger, self-described as an American Hindu and Activist).

The “universal scroll” that Vincent Bruno is referring to comes directly out of the verbiage of Public Law 102-14, where it states, “Whereas this will be reflected in an international scroll of honor signed by the President of the United States and other heads of state….”

Public Law 102-14 also commemorates the birthday of Rabbi Schneerson—a man, according to the law who is “universally respected and revered.”—and a man who, I might add, has gone on public record stating, “…all non-Jews are satanic.”

I don’t know what “universally revered” meant in 1991, way back before the days of Twitter and Instagram—the forums that make even the fools famous—but if this guy is so universally respected and revered, how come no one I know has ever heard of him; and given his glowing reputation, why was Public Law 102-14 basically signed into law in a non-publicized, covert meeting?
 

Gentile Pride

Not surprisingly, the Noahide Law movement has adopted the rainbow for its insignia. This, in itself may hide a host of esoteric enigmas, and is likely being used to subliminally reinforce the parallels between the inferior spiritual state of non-Jews and the LGBTQ movement; more so than the more-obvious parallel between gentiles and the biblical Noahic covenant (which Yahweh sealed with the sign of a rainbow in the sky).

Rather than linking our Christian identity as grafted-into-the-Olive-Tree branches with the God of the Noahic Covenant; the choice of the rainbow is more than likely an inside joke – making a Luciferian laughingstock out of non-Jewish believers by linking them to the same modern symbol of pride adopted by those who practice homosexuality.

The rainbow symbology further functions as a pneumatic device, as the colors of the “ROY G. BIV” rainbow we learn about in grade school symbolize red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo, violet—the seven 7 colors of the rainbow, which parallels the number of rules that comprise the Noahide Laws—seven.

By selecting 7 laws for non-Jews (instead of the standard 10 commandments) they are perhaps subliminally linking the number 7 to a number that is given significance in the Bible (7^th day Sabbath, 7 churches, 7 angels, 7 seals, 7 trumpets, etc.), therefore, creating a subliminal parallel between these 7 laws and the significance that Scripture writers put upon the number 7.  This subconsciously gives credence to the Noahide Laws because 7 is a number that students of Scripture associate with God. Furthermore, because the number 7 is such a significant number particularly in the book of Revelation, it would not be a stretch for many Christians to believe that there is biblical significance to a set of 7 laws coming into play in the end times “just for the Church.”  Christians have been taught to interpret prophecy through dispensational lenses for nigh unto two centuries—namely, that God will deal differently with Jews and non-Jews in the end times. The author is not here stating whether Dispensationalism is true or false; but merely pointing out that this theological framework has provided an Achilles’ heel that Christians need to be mindful to protect before going into eschatological battle.

What’s the Big Deal?

So, the Jews want the Torah to be theirs exclusively. What’s wrong with that? Ancestors of Jews and non-Jews have been perfectly happy with this custody arrangement for two thousand years. The Jews get to live with Dad (Old Testament) and the Christians get to live with Mom (New Testament).  [Insert shoulder shrug of indifference here]. Many of you might be saying, “So what? Let the Jews have their Torah. I’m a Christian and I believe the law was abolished by Christ’s death on the cross and we are now living under the law of Grace.”

Please understand—the enforcement of the Noahide Laws is not simply a jealous power grab whereby Jews become the sole possessors of the Torah. This isn’t just about taking the Old Testament away from Christians—it’s about taking CHRIST away from Christian theology.

The very first Noahide law is, “No idolatry.” Because the God of Judaism makes no room for Jesus Christ being one with God, or His being their long-awaited Messiah, worshipping Jesus will equate to idolatry and we will be subject to punishment as the Noahide law (read: the Talmud) decides. And that punishment is this:

 “Under the Talmud’s counterfeit Noahide Laws, the worship of Jesus is forbidden under penalty of death, since such worship of Christ is condemned by Judaism as idolatry” (Enziklopediya Talmudit, note 1, pp. 351-352).

Here’s another quote that should bring 1981-memories of A Thief in the Night III (aka Image of the Beast) slamming back into your head:

“The Talmud also states the penalty for disobedience: “One additional element of greater severity is that violation of any one of the seven laws subjects the Noahide to capital punishment by decapitation” (Sanh. 57A).

In summary, this Talmudic, man-made “Noahidic Covenant” is not freedom from the law—it is Gentile enslavement. It is a reversal of Egypt, with Pharoah building bricks and the slaves on the throne. It is a covenant-mocking chainsaw, clashing with Christ, wreaking carnage upon the grafted-in branches of the Olive Tree.
 

Know Your Enemy

Our battle is NOT against flesh and blood. (Read: we are not at war with our Jewish brothers and sisters). Our enemies are the enemies of God—hostile, blaspheming, fallen beings from the spiritual realms. Beings that cannot win unless they first divide and conquer.

All of redemptive history and the mystery of the Gospel is this—Christ’s blood covers both Jew and gentile. Any law or system of government that attempts to undo what Christ did on the cross is NOT of God—and will not (ultimately) prevail.

But the onus is on us to fight against such attempts. Christians, be sober-minded and vigilant. Keep your eyes and ears fixed on the Word and question and research the things that you see and hear. Don’t rest on your laurels expecting the intercessors and the pastors of the world to fix everything on your behalf. Pick up the torch and run with it. Be a part of the fight. Turn off your TV and ask God today, “Father, what were the plans You had for me the day I was born? Have I become the man/woman You dreamed for me to be?” If the answer to that question is, “No”—weep. Pray and RESOLVE this day to not squander one more day of your life, sleepwalking down a path that doesn’t lead to the dream God had for you the day you were born. Put down the remote; pick up the sword. The right to live by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God—which includes the Torah—are rights worth fighting to keep.

And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the Word of God.
 

Ephesians 6:17

 

https://www.realdarknews.com/just-say-noahide/

 

These 7 noahide laws are all leading to the one WORLD RELIGION BEAST SYSTEM

 

Revelation 20:4 King James Version (KJV)

⁴ And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

 

Edited June 14, 2020 by 1to3

[other one]

these laws do not come directly from the Bible. they are man constructed in the Babylonian Talmud.    and considered by the people who wrote them Calling Jesus the son of God and God a violation of the first law and should be beheaded for it.   and that  is why they are dangerous.

 

also they are not the law in the USA, they were simply mentioned in a resolution making a certain day a holiday.   that resolution says our laws were built off of those laws and to the extent of so many of our founding fathers being high level masons there might be a little to that.

its very difficult to  discuss these laws without people claiming anti-Semitism which usually gets ugly,   i won't usually go there.... especially here.

[BeauJangles]

25 minutes ago, 1to3 said:

“Praise Jesus! Christianity is making a breakthrough in Washington D.C., revival is coming!”

No, I've never viewed it as this. Especially during the Bush Administration. He was former head of the CIA. And I just can't trust those guys. 

[1to3]

14 minutes ago, other one said:

also they are not the law in the USA, they were simply mentioned in a resolution making a certain day a holiday.

 

34 minutes ago, 1to3 said:

Public Law 102-14

“On March 20th 1991 the United States Congress passed H.J Res 104, which was then signed into law by President George H. W. Bush and became Public Law No. 102-14. The language of the law asserts that the “Seven Noahide Laws” are the ethical values of civilized society and are the basis on which the American nation was founded and that without these Seven Noahide Laws society stands in peril. It is also stated that it is our nation’s “responsibility” to transmit these “ethical values” to the generations of the future and that in the future the President of the United States will sign an “international scroll” pledging to return the world to the Seven Noahide Laws through education and charity.”  (Vincent Bruno, eBlogger, self-described as an American Hindu and Activist).

 

[BeauJangles]

45 minutes ago, ChickenCoop said:

?? ??  I'm losted. 

             

Don't worry about that. I'll just swing by and pick you up. There are on my GPS. I'm coming now.

                                                         

              ChickenCoop

[missmuffet]

Question: "What are the Noahide Laws, and are they biblical?"

Answer: The Noahide Laws are seven ancient laws that many people view as the basis of civilized society. They govern morality and represent the “bare minimum” of what God expects of humanity. They are called the “Noahide” laws because they are thought to have been given in their fullness to Noah after the flood. They are also called the Noachian laws, the Seven Laws of Noah, or the Seven Commands for Noah’s Sons (in Hebrew, Sheva Mitzvot B'nei Noach).

The idea of a formal set of laws given to all humanity (all the sons of Noah) comes from the Talmud and is therefore extra-biblical. Some scholars believe the Book of Jubilees contains a possible mention of the Noahide Laws. But, again, the Book of Jubilees is not inspired Scripture. However, the basic seven Noahide Laws are based in biblical principles.

Here are the Noahide Laws:

1. Do not deny God (no idolatry).
2. Do not murder.
3. Do not steal.
4. Do not engage in sexual immorality.
5. Do not blaspheme.
6. Do not eat of a live animal (no eating flesh taken from an animal while it is still alive).
7. Establish courts and legal systems to ensure obedience of these laws.

According to Jewish tradition, the first six of these seven laws were given to Adam in the Garden of Eden (the sixth law, to not eat live animals, was extraneous, since Adam did not eat any animals). When God established His covenant with Noah, He added the seventh (and the sixth became applicable). Each of the seven Noahide Laws is seen as a summary of more detailed laws, about 211 total.

According to Judaism, a Gentile does not have to follow the Mosaic Law; however, all Gentiles are obliged to follow the Noahide Laws. The laws given to Noah’s children are universally binding. A non-Jew who abides by the Noahide Laws is considered a “righteous Gentile,” according to Judaism, and will earn a reward in the afterlife, if his obedience is coupled with a knowledge that the laws come from God. A “righteous Gentile” might also be called a “Hasidic Gentile” or simply a “Noahide.”

Nowhere does the Bible record what laws God may have given Adam, other than the command to fill and subdue the earth and the prohibition against eating of the tree of knowledge of good and evil (Genesis 1:28; 2:17). After Noah and his family exited the ark, God gave the following three commands to him: “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth” (Genesis 9:1); “You must not eat meat that has its lifeblood still in it” (verse 4); and “Whoever sheds human blood, / by humans shall their blood be shed; / for in the image of God / has God made mankind” (verse 6). After that, God repeats His command to “be fruitful and increase in number; multiply on the earth and increase upon it” (verse 7). Other than Noah being told not to eat raw meat, there is no hint of the traditional Noahide Laws in these passages.

The only other place in Scripture where a Noahide law might be mentioned is Acts 15:29. The context of this passage is the Jerusalem Council, which met to address the issue of the Gentiles’ place in the early church. Specifically, the question before the council was, “Must Gentiles be circumcised according to Mosaic Law in order to be saved?” (see Acts 15:1). The apostles in Jerusalem answered with a resounding “no.” We are not saved by keeping the Law (see Galatians 2:16). However, to promote peace within the early church, the council advised Gentile believers to avoid four things, including the eating of “blood” (Acts 15:29). None of the other three instructions correspond to any of the Noahide Laws.

As an ancient moral code, the Noahide Laws have been a major influence in many cultures. In fact, in 1991, both houses of Congress passed a bill, signed into law by President George H. W. Bush, that declared the Noahide Laws to be “the bedrock of society from the dawn of civilization” and the “ethical values and principles . . . upon which our great Nation was founded” (H.J.RES.104.ENR).

Are the Noahide Laws found in the Bible? No, not as a definitive list, and they are certainly not associated with either Noah or Adam. Are the Noahide Laws congruent with biblical teaching? The basic seven laws are congruent with Old Testament revelation. The Talmud calls for capital punishment for Gentiles who violate the Noahide Laws, and this has led to some debate as to whether or not Christians (who worship Jesus Christ) are guilty of violating the first Noahide law and therefore deserving of the death penalty. The modern consensus is that Trinitarianism is acceptable among Gentiles. In any case, it is important to note that we are not saved by rule-keeping; God requires faith in His Son (John 3:18).

https://www.gotquestions.org/Noahide-laws.html

Edited June 14, 2020 by missmuffet

[BeauJangles]

23 hours ago, 1to3 said:

If you  agree or disagree, I welcome your response

I'm not much into discussions pertaining to disagreements here lately. Posters are getting far too upset and incensed when that happens. It's proving to be most unpleasant. 

Not this one though. But a lot of them are. 

[Rosenberg57]

3 hours ago, missmuffet said:

Question: "What are the Noahide Laws, and are they biblical?"

Answer: The Noahide Laws are seven ancient laws that many people view as the basis of civilized society. They govern morality and represent the “bare minimum” of what God expects of humanity. They are called the “Noahide” laws because they are thought to have been given in their fullness to Noah after the flood. They are also called the Noachian laws, the Seven Laws of Noah, or the Seven Commands for Noah’s Sons (in Hebrew, Sheva Mitzvot B'nei Noach).

The idea of a formal set of laws given to all humanity (all the sons of Noah) comes from the Talmud and is therefore extra-biblical. Some scholars believe the Book of Jubilees contains a possible mention of the Noahide Laws. But, again, the Book of Jubilees is not inspired Scripture. However, the basic seven Noahide Laws are based in biblical principles.

Here are the Noahide Laws:

1. Do not deny God (no idolatry).
2. Do not murder.
3. Do not steal.
4. Do not engage in sexual immorality.
5. Do not blaspheme.
6. Do not eat of a live animal (no eating flesh taken from an animal while it is still alive).
7. Establish courts and legal systems to ensure obedience of these laws.

According to Jewish tradition, the first six of these seven laws were given to Adam in the Garden of Eden (the sixth law, to not eat live animals, was extraneous, since Adam did not eat any animals). When God established His covenant with Noah, He added the seventh (and the sixth became applicable). Each of the seven Noahide Laws is seen as a summary of more detailed laws, about 211 total.

According to Judaism, a Gentile does not have to follow the Mosaic Law; however, all Gentiles are obliged to follow the Noahide Laws. The laws given to Noah’s children are universally binding. A non-Jew who abides by the Noahide Laws is considered a “righteous Gentile,” according to Judaism, and will earn a reward in the afterlife, if his obedience is coupled with a knowledge that the laws come from God. A “righteous Gentile” might also be called a “Hasidic Gentile” or simply a “Noahide.”

Nowhere does the Bible record what laws God may have given Adam, other than the command to fill and subdue the earth and the prohibition against eating of the tree of knowledge of good and evil (Genesis 1:28; 2:17). After Noah and his family exited the ark, God gave the following three commands to him: “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the earth” (Genesis 9:1); “You must not eat meat that has its lifeblood still in it” (verse 4); and “Whoever sheds human blood, / by humans shall their blood be shed; / for in the image of God / has God made mankind” (verse 6). After that, God repeats His command to “be fruitful and increase in number; multiply on the earth and increase upon it” (verse 7). Other than Noah being told not to eat raw meat, there is no hint of the traditional Noahide Laws in these passages.

The only other place in Scripture where a Noahide law might be mentioned is Acts 15:29. The context of this passage is the Jerusalem Council, which met to address the issue of the Gentiles’ place in the early church. Specifically, the question before the council was, “Must Gentiles be circumcised according to Mosaic Law in order to be saved?” (see Acts 15:1). The apostles in Jerusalem answered with a resounding “no.” We are not saved by keeping the Law (see Galatians 2:16). However, to promote peace within the early church, the council advised Gentile believers to avoid four things, including the eating of “blood” (Acts 15:29). None of the other three instructions correspond to any of the Noahide Laws.

As an ancient moral code, the Noahide Laws have been a major influence in many cultures. In fact, in 1991, both houses of Congress passed a bill, signed into law by President George H. W. Bush, that declared the Noahide Laws to be “the bedrock of society from the dawn of civilization” and the “ethical values and principles . . . upon which our great Nation was founded” (H.J.RES.104.ENR).

Are the Noahide Laws found in the Bible? No, not as a definitive list, and they are certainly not associated with either Noah or Adam. Are the Noahide Laws congruent with biblical teaching? The basic seven laws are congruent with Old Testament revelation. The Talmud calls for capital punishment for Gentiles who violate the Noahide Laws, and this has led to some debate as to whether or not Christians (who worship Jesus Christ) are guilty of violating the first Noahide law and therefore deserving of the death penalty. The modern consensus is that Trinitarianism is acceptable among Gentiles. In any case, it is important to note that we are not saved by rule-keeping; God requires faith in His Son (John 3:18).

https://www.gotquestions.org/Noahide-laws.html

Well thank you for the time it took you to post this.  I find it interesting to OP did not post this at the begging of this Discussion.

He has proven he has access to many things but did not post this.

Why?

What did he gain by saying I will not post it, look it up for yourself?

Thank you for taking the time to look it up and posting what they are.