ONLY ONE GOSPEL ?

[David1701]

5 hours ago, douge said:

I stand corrected...I see what you are saying....see if I get it right.....there is only one gospel progressively revealed....I see this as being the gospel of God/the gospel of Christ.

Peter and the twelve preached the name of Jesus, that he is Christ, the Son of God......this is all Israel had to believe for eternal life (John 3:16-18 John 20:31).

Paul also preached Jesus as Christ, the Son of God, but it was revealed through him that Christ died for our sins and rose again for the justification unto eternal life for all that have faith in him, his blood and the redemption of the cross. We don;t just believe in his name we believe the gospel delivered by Paul.

In somewhat cryptic form, the cross was preached in Gen. 3:15.  The OT animal sacrifices all typified Christ and the cross.  Psalm 22, Is. 53, etc. all pointed to Christ and the cross.  This is what all OT saints believed.  Yes, we have clearer revelation and more detail, but it's the same gospel.

[douge]

22 hours ago, theElect777 said:

So when we think of Christ we do not think of the Cross?  What does the Cross mean, you know, other than SALVATION?   Try again!

The twelve did not understand when Christ spoke of his death Luke 9:45 the twelve could not have preached the cross at that time if they did not understand it.

The redemption of Christ by the cross was only fully revealed through Paul.

Edited July 24, 2020 by douge

[Justin Adams]

Wrong again. Yeshua had them in the upper room and 'opened their minds' as Luke puts it.

Luke 24

Jesus Unveils the Scriptures
44 Jesus said to them, “These are the words I spoke to you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about Me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets, and the Psalms.” 45 Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures. 46 And He told them, “This is what is written: The Christ will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day..."

[douge]

18 hours ago, David1701 said:

In somewhat cryptic form, the cross was preached in Gen. 3:15.  The OT animal sacrifices all typified Christ and the cross.  Psalm 22, Is. 53, etc. all pointed to Christ and the cross.  This is what all OT saints believed.  Yes, we have clearer revelation and more detail, but it's the same gospel.

I would not say it is the same gospel. What Paul was given was a mystery kept secret and only revealed through Paul in this dispensation (Colossians 1:26). Paul said it was "my gospel" which would exclude others before him from preaching it (Romans 2:16 Romans 16:25 2 Timothy 2:8) and in fact if they did they would not have crucified Christ (1 Corinthians 2:8). Paul revealed salvation apart from the law in Romans 3:21 apart from Israel and their covenants in Ephesians 2:13 

[douge]

2 minutes ago, Justin Adams said:

Wrong again. Yeshua had them in the upper room and 'opened their minds' as Luke puts it.

Luke 24

Jesus Unveils the Scriptures
44 Jesus said to them, “These are the words I spoke to you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about Me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets, and the Psalms.” 45 Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures. 46 And He told them, “This is what is written: The Christ will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day..."

I never said they never understood, I was only meant that the twelve could not have preached the cross at that time if they did not understand it.

[Justin Adams]

9 minutes ago, douge said:

I never said they never understood, I was only meant that the twelve could not have preached the cross at that time if they did not understand it.

They understood. Yeshua told them to wait in Jerusalem until Pentecost. THEN THEY TAUGHT IT BOTH BARRELS.

[David1701]

1 hour ago, douge said:

I would not say it is the same gospel. What Paul was given was a mystery kept secret and only revealed through Paul in this dispensation (Colossians 1:26). Paul said it was "my gospel" which would exclude others before him from preaching it (Romans 2:16 Romans 16:25 2 Timothy 2:8) and in fact if they did they would not have crucified Christ (1 Corinthians 2:8). Paul revealed salvation apart from the law in Romans 3:21 apart from Israel and their covenants in Ephesians 2:13 

What a mess!  Your theology is all over the place.

Whey Paul said, "my gospel", he didn't mean that it originated with him.  It's similar to when someone says, "My Jesus...".  It doesn't mean that Jesus only belongs to him, or that no-one else before him knew Jesus.

When you read Isaiah 53, or Psalm 22, do you not see the crucifixion?

[Justin Adams]

12 minutes ago, David1701 said:

What a mess!  Your theology is all over the place.

Unfortunately he holds to the teaching of a strange group. I cannot get thru to this brother...

[douge]

1 hour ago, Justin Adams said:

They understood. Yeshua told them to wait in Jerusalem until Pentecost. THEN THEY TAUGHT IT BOTH BARRELS.

Peter and the twelve did not preach the cross for the justification of all.

Acts 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; 

Peter was not preaching the cross, that Christ died for our sins and rose for our justification. Peter was preaching the resurrection of Christ to sit on the throne of David in the kingdom.

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Peter did not preach the cross, but rather baptism for the remission of sins and receiving the Holy Ghost to empower them for the coming tribulation.

Acts 3:14 But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you;

Peter preached conviction for rejecting and crucifying Christ.

Acts 3:18 But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.

That Christ was to die was not a mystery hid in God until revealed to Paul, it was in prophecy.

Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;

The remnant of the nation of Israel would have their sins forgiven when Christ returned. Paul preached forgiveness now by the blood of Christ, by his death and resurrection.

Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

Peter was not preaching the cross, but faith in the name of Jesus.

1 Peter 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Peter was not preaching our salvation unto eternal life by the cross, but rather, Christ died for the sins of Israel under the old testament, the healing of Israel for the kingdom.
 

[douge]

40 minutes ago, David1701 said:

When you read Isaiah 53, or Psalm 22, do you not see the crucifixion?

Yes, that Christ would die and rise again was in prophecy. That all would be justified by that death and resurrection was not.....only Israel was in view in these passages (Hebrews 9:15)

Paul said my gospel which means only preached by him....his gospel was a component of the gospel of God, different from all others.