CHOSEN BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD

[Butch5]

On 7/22/2020 at 9:58 AM, douge said:

Matthew 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

Matthew 25 above is dealing with the judgment of the Gentile nations that will enter the earthly Davidic kingdom promised Israel. These nations will enter the kingdom along with the believing remnant of Israel. The promised kingdom, which both the nations and the remnant will enter, was purposed from the foundation of the world.

Ephesians 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

God purposed to save the body of Christ by the gospel of Christ, from before the foundation of the world; to bless us in heavenly places, to be holy and blameless before him in love.

Therefore, seeing that there is a difference between before and from, we can determine that God has made a distinction between believing Israel and the church, the body of Christ. One is to have determined to save (by the gospel of the grace of God) the body of Christ before the foundation of the world to a position in heavenly places; the other is to save the remnant of Israel (by the gospel of the kingdom) to enter the prophetic Davidic kingdom on earth, from the foundation of the world.

Ephesians 1:3-4 is referring to Israel. Actually, verses 3-12 refer to Israel. There are not two destinations, there is one.

[douge]

On 8/22/2020 at 6:26 PM, Butch5 said:

Ephesians 1:3-4 is referring to Israel. Actually, verses 3-12 refer to Israel. There are not two destinations, there is one.

Ephesians 1:3 speaks of the body of Christ.

The body of Christ have position in the heavenly places, not so for Israel

Ephesians 1:4 is written to those chosen before the foundation of the world, the body of Christ and not Israel who are chosen from the foundation of the world as seen from Matthew 25:34.

[douge]

On 8/22/2020 at 6:26 PM, Butch5 said:

Actually, verses 3-12 refer to Israel. There are not two destinations, there is one.

Ephesians 1:10 speaks of gathering all things in heaven(the body) and earth(Israel)

[Butch5]

6 hours ago, douge said:

Ephesians 1:3 speaks of the body of Christ.

The body of Christ have position in the heavenly places, not so for Israel

Ephesians 1:4 is written to those chosen before the foundation of the world, the body of Christ and not Israel who are chosen from the foundation of the world as seen from Matthew 25:34.

No, it's not about the church. It's about Israel. I've addressed this in a short article that can be found here, Ephesians 1:3-12

[Butch5]

6 hours ago, douge said:

Ephesians 1:10 speaks of gathering all things in heaven(the body) and earth(Israel)

It doesn't. Again, my commentary on this passage, Ephesians 1:3-12.

[DeighAnn]

On 7/22/2020 at 6:58 AM, douge said:

Matthew 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

Matthew 25 above is dealing with the judgment of the Gentile nations that will enter the earthly Davidic kingdom promised Israel. These nations will enter the kingdom along with the believing remnant of Israel. The promised kingdom, which both the nations and the remnant will enter, was purposed from the foundation of the world.

Ephesians 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

God purposed to save the body of Christ by the gospel of Christ, from before the foundation of the world; to bless us in heavenly places, to be holy and blameless before him in love.

Therefore, seeing that there is a difference between before and from, we can determine that God has made a distinction between believing Israel and the church, the body of Christ. One is to have determined to save (by the gospel of the grace of God) the body of Christ before the foundation of the world to a position in heavenly places; the other is to save the remnant of Israel (by the gospel of the kingdom) to enter the prophetic Davidic kingdom on earth, from the foundation of the world.

Ephesians 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:
Ephesians 1:2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

Ephesians 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed  US with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

Ephesians 1:4 According as He hath chosen US in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Ephesians 1:5 Having predestinated US unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of His will,

Ephesians 1:6 To the praise of the glory of His grace, wherein He hath made US accepted in the beloved.

Ephesians 1:7 In whom WE have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace;

Ephesians 1:8 Wherein He hath abounded toward US in all wisdom and prudence;

Ephesians 1:9 Having made known unto US the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He hath purposed in Himself:

Acts 19:17 This became known to all, both Jews and Greeks, who lived at Ephesus. Fear fell on them all, and the name of the Lord Jesus was magnified.


MATTHEW IS JESUS PREACHING TO THE LOST SHEEP OF ISRAEL. 

 PAUL AND PETER WHO PREACHED TO "THE PREVIOUSLY UNCLEAN" NOW NOT TO BE CALLED THAT" GENTILES.   THEY MAY BE GRAFTED INTO ISRAEL TO BECOME PARTAKERS OF THE PROMISES.  THEY DON'T "BECOME" THE BODY OF CHRIST WITHOUT THE NATURAL BRANCHES.  

THIS DIVIDING HAS GOT TO STOP.  OR IS NOT BEING IN UNITY THE GOAL.  

ALL MADE ONE.  DIVIDING WALL TORN DOWN.   GRAFTED IN.  

CAN YOU PROVIDE THOSE KINDS OF STATEMENTS IN GODS WORD THAT SAY

ALL MADE TWO.  DIVIDING WALL PUT BETWEEN THEM.  GRAFTED IN AND TAKING OVER.???


SO IT IS THE REMNANT NOT THE "CHURCH" AS YOU SUGGEST.

[Butch5]

On 7/22/2020 at 9:58 AM, douge said:

Matthew 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

Matthew 25 above is dealing with the judgment of the Gentile nations that will enter the earthly Davidic kingdom promised Israel. These nations will enter the kingdom along with the believing remnant of Israel. The promised kingdom, which both the nations and the remnant will enter, was purposed from the foundation of the world.

Ephesians 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

God purposed to save the body of Christ by the gospel of Christ, from before the foundation of the world; to bless us in heavenly places, to be holy and blameless before him in love.

Therefore, seeing that there is a difference between before and from, we can determine that God has made a distinction between believing Israel and the church, the body of Christ. One is to have determined to save (by the gospel of the grace of God) the body of Christ before the foundation of the world to a position in heavenly places; the other is to save the remnant of Israel (by the gospel of the kingdom) to enter the prophetic Davidic kingdom on earth, from the foundation of the world.

You said we have to rightly divide Paul. This passage in Ephesians is speaking of the Jews, not Christians. It was the Jews who were chosen. Also as I pointed out it's not heavenly places. The word places isn't in the Greek text. It's heavenlies, It's the word heaven in the plural and it's adjective in the neuter gender. That means it's talking about heavenly things. This passage is not saying anyone is in Heaven or going to Heaven. Jesus told the Jews and His apostles that were He was going they could not go.

[Leonardo Von]

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CHOSEN BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD

Right. The Creator projected everything before creating the world (see, for example, Ps 139:13-16).