Proposition: There Is No Bible-Verse Argument For A Future Antichrist.

[JAG**]

1 hour ago, douggg said:

The only person talking about demonizing is you.    

I have not used the term, and I have not heard anyone

else here use to the term.

  "demonization"-- make it appear to be evil

The insults and personal demonization are in this thread. I can go get them

_________________

 

You know very well what the term "demonize" means the way I used it.

It means that you and some other posters here on your side of this issue

demonized {made it appear to be evil} the message and then demonized

me personally. You did that because you emotionally do not like to be 

faced with the FACT that you can NOT produce a Bible-Verses that makes

the connection between John's mention of antichrists below , , ,

 

1 John 2:18

1 John 2:22

1 John 4:3

2 John 7

 

 , , , with any other parts of the Bible listed down there  , , , 

 

■ Daniel 7

■ 2 Thess 2

■ Revelation 13

■ the book of Revelation 

■ Ezekiel 

■ the "false prophet"

■ the "harlot" 

■ the "beast"

■ the "little horn"

■ the "man of sin" {the "man of lawlessness" -- in  2 Thess 2}

_______

It is sinful and evil to teach false doctrines  , , ,

, , , and  you will have to "live with" the fact that you accused me 

of teaching false doctrines merely because  we disagree on Christian

Eschatology --- especially in light of the fact that I explained  to you

several times the kind of Christian I am and also explained  to you about

the 4 different camps of Christian Eschatology.  For you to accuse me of

teaching false doctrine in light of this below, in my view, is not the good and 

right thing to do.

Here it is again  , , ,

I write the following just for the record , , ,

 , , , and to you Douggg,

I am an orthodox Bible believing born again Christian.

My wife and I attend a Bible believing Baptist-type Christian church
along with our grown children and our 6 grandchildren.

I believe the following with all my mind, heart, and soul:

I believe in the Holy Trinity of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

I believe in the Deity of the Lord Jesus. That He is fully God. (John 1: 1-5)

I believe in the Virgin Birth of the Lord Jesus.

I believe in the Resurrection of the Lord Jesus.

I believe that the Bible is the inspired word of God and free from all error. (2 Timothy 3:14-17)

I believe in the Second Coming of the Lord Jesus.

I believe in a coming Judgment.

I believe that salvation is by grace through faith in the Lord Jesus' death
on the Cross where He died to pay for our sins. Ephesians 2:8

I believe in John 3:16 with all my heart.

I believe in all the orthodox doctrinal Protestant Creeds. That is, I am a Bible believing Protestant
in my faith and practice.

I am an orthodox Bible believing Postmillennialist.

I do NOT hold to a single weird or strange or unusual belief.

Postmillennialism is a mainstream orthodox Bible believing view

of the future of the human race and of the future of the Christian Church.

I can easily post a list of the names of dozens of Christian Postmillennial scholars
who believe the Bible is the word of God and 100% true --- but who DISAGREE with
Premillennialists on what the Holy Scriptures teach with regard to the end time passages.

There is nothing unorthodox  about Postmillennialism or Premillennialism or Amillennialism
or Dispensationalism. There are large segments within Bible Believing Christendom that holds

different views of the future of the human race and the future of the Christian Church.

There are 4 of them.

All 4 are fully orthodox and fully Christian.

(1) Postmillennialism
(2) Premillennialism
(3) Amillennialism
(4) Dispensationalism

_____________________


May the Lord bless and keep us.
May the Lord make His face to shine upon us.
May the Lord be gracious unto us.
May the Lord turn His face toward us.
May the Lord give us His protection and His peace.
(Based upon Numbers 6:24-27)

JAG

 

_________

 

One more thing Douggg, you will from  now on, have to "live with" the

FACT that you will ALWAYS KNOW that you were unable to produce a

Bible-Verse that made the connection with the Bible's mention of

antichrist in John's epistles  with any other parts of the Bible.

You will live out your days KNOWING that I just spoke the absolute 

truth to you.

________

This remains unrefuted , , , 

Proposition: There Is No Bible-Verse Argument For A Future Antichrist.

JAG

 

 

 

Edited August 2, 2020 by JAG**

[JAG**]

2 hours ago, douggg said:

  

 

I have a chart tracking the arch villain of the end times and you don't.

 

 

Douggg, here is some more  wild far-fetched personal speculation about the

fictional imaginary "evil man" of the "end times"  --- the Bible does NOT

teach a single word of mere man's imaginations-namely that stuff down

there.

Say, talking about "false doctrines" how can you possibly  endure stuff 

like this down below? Passed off as being "God's word"?  And this below

is highly typical of the folks who teach that there is to be an "evil man"

"world ruler" coming  in the "last days" , , , , 

Start quote.

He Will Be A Man Of Prosperity a Political Genius - Dan. 11:43; Rev. 13:16-17. The Antichrist will eventually control the wealth of the world. He will bring prosperity to those who have lived in poverty.

•          The Antichrist may make great strives to end world hunger. That most people under his reign will be better off financially that they were before he rose to power

D. He Will Be A Man Of Power - Rev. 13:7-8 These verses tell us that Antichrist will eventually rule the entire world. Conquerors down through the ages have sought this lofty goal without success. He will achieve it! What men won't recognize, or won't care about is the fact that he receives his power from Satan himself, Dan. 8:24. He will become so large in the eyes of humanity that they will literally worship him as their god.

• A. He Will Attack The People Of God - Dan. 7:25 The Antichrist will break his covenant with Israel and will attack the people of the Lord. He will try to do what Hitler, Stalin and others failed to do: exterminate the Jew. More than anything, this man will hate everything having to do with God and Jesus Christ. He will lash out at the Jews and try to completely destroy them.

• End quote.

https://www.bible-truth.org/msg175.html

 

Edited August 2, 2020 by JAG**

[JAG**]

15 hours ago, douggg said:

    

18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

 

 

You will be interested in knowing    that some folks

on your side have made a list of  who this

"end time" , , ,"evil man"  , ,  might  be?

____________________

 

Start quote.

This list is a run-down of the key figures we are watching with great suspicion.

 Basic biographical information is shown and reasons given why any of them might

fit the role of  the antichrist"

https://www.unsealed.org/2015/02/know-your-candidates.html

End quote

{1}   Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi

Title & Position: Caliph Ibrahim; founder and leader of the Islamic State (IS/ISIS

 

{2}  Alexis Tsipras

Title & Position: Prime Minister of Greece

 

{3}   Barack Obama

Title & Position: {former} President of the United States

 

{4{  Emmanuel Macron

Title & Position: President of France, Prince of Andorra

 

{5}  Jared Kushner

Title & Position: Senior Advisor to the President, de facto Chief Negotiator for Middle East Peace

 

{6}   Javier Solana

Title & Position: Former Secretary-General of the WEU, NATO, and the Council of the EU

 

{7}   Justin Trudeau

Title & Position: Prime Minister of Canada

 

{8}   King Abdullah II

Title & Position: King of Jordan

 

{9}  Tayyip Erdogan

Title & Position: President of Turkey

 

{10}   Vladimir Putin

Title & Position: President of the Russian Federation

 

{11}   Zoltan Istvan

Title & Position: Founder of the Transhumanist Party and candidate for U.S. President

 

Source:

https://www.unsealed.org/2015/02/know-your-candidates.html

 

 

[douggg]

2 hours ago, JAG** said:

"11. Resurrected Dead? - "Seemed to have a mortal wound" : Some Bible expositors believe

this mortal wound refers to the pagan Roman Empire, which died in the past but will be revived

in the end times. Others say a historical character of the past, such as Nero, Judas Iscariot,

Mussolini, Hitler, or Stalin, will come back to life and fulfill the role of the antichrist in the

end times. Others say the antichrist will actually be killed and then resurrected. Still others

say that perhaps the antichrist will be severely wounded, and Satan will supernaturally heal

this wound. Perhaps he will simply appear to be killed, though he really is not, and through

satanic trickery will appear to be resurrected."

https://www.biblestudytools.com/bible-study/topical-studies/the-rise-of-the-antichrist.html

 

All wrong.

 

1. The revived Roman Empire, as being the mortally wounded come back to life head is based on a misinterpretation of Revelation 17:10 of the 7 kings being 7 kingdoms instead.   The 7 heads do not represent 7 kingdoms.

2.  Nero, Judas Iscariot,  Mussolini, Hitler, or Stalin,    No reincarnation, second time around.   Appointed once to die, then the judgement.    Lake of fire for the beast.

3.   Satan does not have the power to give life.    Fear God,  the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

4.  Mortally wounded unto death.    The person bodily dies.     Finds his soul for a short time in hell.   God, in disdain for the person,  restores his soul to his lifeless body, bringing the person back to life.

5.  Satanic trickery applies to Satan incarnating the statue image of the beast.  

Edited August 2, 2020 by douggg

[douggg]

2 hours ago, JAG** said:

You know very well what the term "demonize" means the way I used it.

It means that you and some other posters here on your side of this issue

demonized {made it appear to be evil} the message and then demonized

me personally. You did that because you emotionally do not like to be 

faced with the FACT that you can NOT produce a Bible-Verses that makes

the connection between John's mention of antichrists below , , ,

Get off your Clydesdale high horse.    And making yourself out to be a victim.     People tell me I am wrong all the time about bible issues.     It is not something to focus on, nor get bogged down in.   Shake it off...    Nobody here is using the word demonizing but you.

Get your doctrine right instead.

 

Edited August 2, 2020 by douggg

[JAG**]

2 hours ago, iamlamad said:

Your whole premise is wrong: John SAID "the antichrist" is coming. 

It is therefore a MYTH that one "MUST" make any solid connection. 

Perhaps at best it is a red herring.  It is an argument for the sake of argument. 

 You can post anything you want to post and say anything you want to say but  , , ,

, , , what is important is the title of my Opening Post and the title of this thread.

 This remains unrefuted , , , 

Proposition: There Is No Bible-Verse Argument For A Future Antichrist.

 , , ,  and the FACT is that you  do NOT  have a Bible verse that connects John's antichrists

mentioned below , , , 

1 John 2:18

1 John 2:22

1 John 4:3

2 John 7

 

 . . .  with any of these down there?

 

■ Daniel 7

■ 2 Thess 2

■ Revelation 13

■ the book of Revelation 

■ Ezekiel 

■ the "false prophet"

■ the "harlot" 

■ the "beast"

■ the "little horn"

■ the "man of sin" {the "man of lawlessness" -- in  2 Thess 2}

 

The Bible mentions antichrist in ONLY these 4 instances. 

1 John 2:18

1 John 2:22

1 John 4:3

2 John 7

 

So we MUST make a clear and solid CONNECTION between John's antichrists

and other parts of the Bible --- otherwise we have to give up the name "antichrist"

and just issue a proclamation that the imagined future "evil man" is called whatever

anyone  wants to call him --- just don't call him THE "antichrist" or antichrist.

 

Why did I post all the above to you?

Because  you quoted my entire Opening Post which is all about what I just posted to you.

 

 

This remains unrefuted , , , 

Proposition: There Is No Bible-Verse Argument For A Future Antichrist.

Also this , , ,

 When you speak of "The antichrist" you are referring to a future "evil man"

that is described in various and contradictory ways by a large  number of

people on your side , , , here below is just one {1} sample among hundreds

of other far-fetched  pure-speculative  descriptive examples without so much

as one  single Bible-Verse that actually says what is put forth. Note the

speculation tone of this passage below:

 

"11. Resurrected Dead? - "Seemed to have a mortal wound" : Some Bible expositors believe

this mortal wound refers to the pagan Roman Empire, which died in the past but will be revived

in the end times. Others say a historical character of the past, such as Nero, Judas Iscariot,

Mussolini, Hitler, or Stalin, will come back to life and fulfill the role of the antichrist in the

end times. Others say the antichrist will actually be killed and then resurrected. Still others

say that perhaps the antichrist will be severely wounded, and Satan will supernaturally heal

this wound. Perhaps he will simply appear to be killed, though he really is not, and through

satanic trickery will appear to be resurrected."

https://www.biblestudytools.com/bible-study/topical-studies/the-rise-of-the-antichrist.html

 

How can you take such as that up there seriously? I don't get it?

 

``

 

 

[douggg]

1 hour ago, JAG** said:

 

Start quote.

He Will Be A Man Of Prosperity a Political Genius - Dan. 11:43; Rev. 13:16-17. The Antichrist will eventually control the wealth of the world. He will bring prosperity to those who have lived in poverty.

 

 

1.   The person will have political skills to become the leader of the EU.     He will possess such power for success, but it will not be his power.     Daniel 8:24.

From Judaism 101.org - what they think about the forthcoming maschiach....

The term "mashiach" literally means "the anointed one," and refers to the ancient practice of anointing kings with oil when they took the throne. The mashiach is the one who will be anointed as king in the End of Days.

The mashiach will be a great political leader descended from King David (Jeremiah 23:5). The mashiach is often referred to as "mashiach ben David" (mashiach, son of David). He will be well-versed in Jewish law, and observant of its commandments (Isaiah 11:2-5). He will be a charismatic leader, inspiring others to follow his example. He will be a great military leader, who will win battles for Israel. He will be a great judge, who makes righteous decisions (Jeremiah 33:15). But above all, he will be a human being, not a god, demi-god or other supernatural being.

__________________________________________________________

The Jews will make the huge error of thinking the little horn person is the promised messiah, great King of Israel.... until he claims to have achieved God-hood.      End of his time as the Anti-Christ.

Study my chart and you will see the progression from King of the Roman Empire endtimes - the EU.      To becoming the Antichrist, King of Israel, coming in his own name, following Gog/Magog.    To that disaster of mistaken identity ending when he claims to have achieved God-hood, and the Jews reject him.

To being killed for his absurd claim and act, by God having him killed for it.    And in disdain for the person, brings him back to life - shortly to face eternal judgment of being cast alive into the lake of fire, as the beast.    His kingdom, and rank 8th king of the Roman Empire end times version of it - dictator of the EU, and it's ten subservient kings.

 

 

 

Edited August 2, 2020 by douggg

[JAG**]

3 minutes ago, douggg said:

Get off your Clydesdale high horse.    And making yourself out to be a victim.   

  People tell me I am wrong all the time about bible issues.     It is not

something to focus on, nor get bogged down in.

 {1} That is an unfriendly hostile remark , ,  "Get off your Clydesdale high horse"

{2} It is about ME and is directed at ME personally.

{3} That is not something that you would say to a brother if you had kind-hearted  feelings toward him.

{4} You and I disagree on a very minor point of doctrine. Are you aware that there are no

major Christian creeds that even mention the fictional imaginary "end times"  , , "evil man" ?

So its not like you and I disagreed on any major Christian doctrine.

{5} One gentlemen in this  thread  said this about me

"rudely dismissive. I have heard that behavior called narcissistic psychopathy. I think it more just plain bad.

I have to hand it to you...dancing around a critical fact in rigid determination to remain willfully ignorant is impressive"

 {6} You accused me of teaching false  doctrines merely because we do not agree on a minor point

{7} I do not feel that I am a victim. I merely speak the truth, namely both me and my views have been

demonized {made to appear evil} simply because we disagree on this imaginary "boogie man" that some

speculate will appear in the future

{8} But I do not ask that you stop it. I just point it out. 

{9} I defend my title and my Opening Post as best I can. It is not my fault that some

posters in this thread pay no attention to what my title and Opening Post actually says

but rather ignore them both and proceed to post as if the title and Opening Post were

not actually there.

So? So I have no choice but to repeat my points over and over again.

{10} This Opening Post and his title is NOT on the general subject of antichrist

or antichrists --- rather that there is no Bible-Verse argument for a future antichrist.

And there is NOT one. There is no Bible Verse that connects the antichrists mentioned in

John's epistles with any other parts of the Bible , ,  and that is a FACT. 

Best.

JAG

 

 

 

[douggg]

30 minutes ago, JAG** said:

 {1} That is an unfriendly hostile remark , ,  "Get off your Clydesdale high horse"

{2} It is about ME and is directed at ME personally.

{3} That is not something that you would say to a brother if you had kind-hearted  feelings toward him.

{4} You and I disagree on a very minor point of doctrine. Are you aware that there are no

major Christian creeds that even mention the fictional imaginary "end times"  , , "evil man" ?

So its not like you and I disagreed on any major Christian doctrine.

{5} One gentlemen in this  thread  said this about me

"rudely dismissive. I have heard that behavior called narcissistic psychopathy. I think it more just plain bad.

I have to hand it to you...dancing around a critical fact in rigid determination to remain willfully ignorant is impressive"

 {6} You accused me of teaching false  doctrines merely because we do not agree on a minor point

{7} I do not feel that I am a victim. I merely speak the truth, namely both me and my views have been

demonized {made to appear evil} simply because we disagree on this imaginary "boogie man" that some

speculate will appear in the future

{8} But I do not ask that you stop it. I just point it out. 

{9} I defend my title and my Opening Post as best I can. It is not my fault that some

posters in this thread pay no attention to what my title and Opening Post actually says

but rather ignore them both and proceed to post as if the title and Opening Post were

not actually there.

So? So I have no choice but to repeat my points over and over again.

{10} This Opening Post and his title is NOT on the general subject of antichrist

or antichrists --- rather that there is no Bible-Verse argument for a future antichrist.

And there is NOT one. There is no Bible Verse that connects the antichrists mentioned in

John's epistles with any other parts of the Bible , ,  and that is a FACT. 

Best.

JAG

 

People tell me I am wrong all the time about bible issues.    To which, I say to myself...

...because I get told those sort of things all the time.

.... it is not something to get bogged down over.    It is all part of interacting with others.

 

Plus, you put a curse on me....  (not that it has any power)... but you just feel you had to do it.     

 

One more thing Douggg, you will from  now on, have to "live with" the

FACT that you will ALWAYS KNOW that you were unable to produce a

Bible-Verse that made the connection with the Bible's mention of

antichrist in John's epistles  with any other parts of the Bible.

You will live out your days KNOWING that I just spoke the absolute truth to you.

________________________________________________________________________________________________________

 

And all I have said to you in this thread is get your doctrine on antichrist shall come straight.

 

 

 

Edited August 2, 2020 by douggg

[JAG**]

43 minutes ago, douggg said:

1.   The person will have political skills to become the leader of the EU.  

   He will possess such power for success, but it will not be his power.     Daniel 8:24.

From Judaism 101.org - what they think about the forthcoming maschiach....

The term "mashiach" literally means "the anointed one," and refers to the

ancient practice of anointing kings with oil when they took the throne.

The mashiach is the one who will be anointed as king in the End of Days.

The mashiach will be a great political leader descended from King David

(Jeremiah 23:5). The mashiach is often referred to as "mashiach ben

David" (mashiach, son of David). He will be well-versed in Jewish law,

and observant of its commandments (Isaiah 11:2-5). He will be a

charismatic leader, inspiring others to follow his example. He will

be a great military leader, who will win battles for Israel. He will be

a great judge, who makes righteous decisions (Jeremiah 33:15). But

above all, he will be a human being, not a god, demi-god or other

supernatural being.

__________________________________________________________

The Jews will make the huge error of thinking the little horn person

is the promised messiah, great King of Israel.... until he claims to

have achieved God-hood.      End of his time as the Anti-Christ.

Study my chart and you will see the progression from King of the

Roman Empire endtimes - the EU.      To becoming the Antichrist,

King of Israel, coming in his own name, following Gog/Magog.   

To that disaster of mistaken identity ending when he claims to

have achieved God-hood, and the Jews reject him.

To being killed for his absurd claim and act, by God having him

killed for it.    And in disdain for the person, brings him back to

life - shortly to face eternal judgment of being cast alive into the

lake of fire, as the beast.    His kingdom, and rank 8th king of the

Roman Empire end times version of it - dictator of the EU, and

it's ten subservient kings.

 

 

The Bible does not mention the European Union. The Bible does

not say a single word about the European Union -- all of that up

there is nothing more than your personal assumptions and personal

speculations. Not a single word of that up there makes any connection

to the antichrists mentioned by John --- yet you still use the word "antichrist"

based upon your personal speculations that what you posted up there is

connected to the antichrists mentioned by John.

__________________

 

My view it that your post up there is a great help in  establishing the truth of my Opening Post

and the truth of the title to this thread.

This remains unrefuted , , , 

Proposition: There Is No Bible-Verse Argument For A Future Antichrist.

 , , ,  and the FACT is that you  do NOT  have a Bible verse that connects John's antichrists

mentioned below , , , 

1 John 2:18

1 John 2:22

1 John 4:3

2 John 7

 

 . . .  with any of these down there?

 

■ Daniel 7

■ 2 Thess 2

■ Revelation 13

■ the book of Revelation 

■ Ezekiel 

■ the "false prophet"

■ the "harlot" 

■ the "beast"

■ the "little horn"

■ the "man of sin" {the "man of lawlessness" -- in  2 Thess 2}

, ,  yet you still use the word "antichrist" in your speculations.

 

JAG

 

Edited August 2, 2020 by JAG**