JERUSALEM IS FALLING

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On 9/1/2020 at 9:19 AM, iamlamad said:

I wrote this before:  " the land areas of these Empires STILL ARE - and people live there. There are still traces of the ancient city of Babylon, in Iraq. But today there are over 40 million people in Iraq. That is enough to have a sizable army.  Iran has over 80,000 people today. Sometime in our future a man with an army will take out three nations."

Where does the statue show Israel and Jerusalem? Do you know?

That is what the statue centers on.

 

On 9/1/2020 at 9:19 AM, iamlamad said:

The image was not a real image, it was a dream. It was to represent these empires and their timing. The empires are long gone, but PEOPLE still live there Our God, knowing the future, knew way back then what kind of people would be living there today. In most of the nations that made up that image, the leadership is of a religion that hates Jews and Christians, and so hates the REAL God.

You say that the empires are long gone, but then you say no, we are still in the time of the iron toes, which is it?

The iron empire is either gone, or not gone.

When did the iron empire end?

If it did not end, who is the iron 200 yrs ago, right now?

The people in those areas are long departed from the iron Roman Empire that fell in 476 AD. the iron.

 

On 9/1/2020 at 9:19 AM, iamlamad said:

To find the answer to your question, we must first discover what or where these 10 toes are. There is a website: "The TEN toes: WHO are they?" I have not watched it. We can be very sure, the nations of those ten toes certainly exist today. 

So those nations are still part of the Roman Empire even though Rome fell in 476 AD?

They are still the iron toes?

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The number ten is symbolic of complete division.

The Roman Empire became completely divided.

The number is not literal.

 

 

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On 9/1/2020 at 9:59 AM, iamlamad said:

If you don't see a war going on you are not paying attention to the Middle East like you should be doing.  Skirmishes, not war. 

Are you serious?

War is a series of skirmishes, battles they call them.

There was the "cold war" and there is "all out" total war. 

War is war, just because they are not in total war, doesn't mean that they are not at war.

Afghanistan has skirmishes, isn't it still a war?

 

On 9/1/2020 at 9:59 AM, iamlamad said:

He is coming for the kingdom. The church/bride/Israel, is the kingdom established on planet earth on the day of Pentecost.  You are trying to force TWO comings into one: it does not work. His next coming is ONLY to air, and then back to heaven. It is ONLY to collect His bride and take her to the homes He has prepared. 

There is only one more coming, and you have just described it.

There is not 2 more comings, only one 1 Cor 15:23-28, 23-24.

Then the planet is turned to fire.

 

On 9/1/2020 at 9:59 AM, iamlamad said:

The resur/rapt will not happen until AFTER the battle of Armageddon.  So show is the scripture of Paul's rapture after Armageddon.  Paul tells us his gathering will be BEFORE wrath, not after it! You are over 7 years off. 

The wrath that Paul talks about is the eternal wrath against those who are not saved,

not a certain earthly time period that these verses have been twisted to mean by those who wish it to mean something different than it does.

1 Thess 5:9 

 

On 9/1/2020 at 9:59 AM, iamlamad said:

 

Your mistake is believing that there is a world/planet after Jesus comes for the kingdom.  Your mistake is ignoring Christ's 1000 year reign. You really need to read these passages a little more carefully and without preconceived glasses on. 

Sorry to tell you this, but you are living in the last days of the millennium.

The millennium is the period of the new covenant that began on Pentecost and ends with the resur/rapt and the fire from heaven.

Jesus rules from heaven, not planet earth.

The idea that He rules from earthly Jerusalem is an assumption.

No one can see the face of Jesus in His glory and live Ex 33:20.

 

On 9/1/2020 at 9:59 AM, iamlamad said:

But after Jesus comes, this planet ends in fire. There will be NO survivors, No second chances to accept Jesus and be saved.  Then explain those in natural bodies that enter the millennial reign.

The mill kingdom is the church that began on Pentecost.

The first resurrection that is spoken of in Rev 20 is LITERALLY, LITERALLY, LITERALLY, the resurrection of Jesus in 33 AD. Paul identifies the first resurrection as Jesus in 1 Cor 15:23-28, 23-24.

The Rev time lines are parallel and not consecutive.

So when it says the first resurrection, it means Jesus.

Those who reign with Jesus from heaven are the OT saints.

 

On 9/1/2020 at 9:59 AM, iamlamad said:

 The saving gospel message will never again be heard on this planet.  The "everlasting Gospel" will be preached by angels as seen in Rev. 14. Since it is everlasting, it is sure to be preached during the millennial reign. 

The gospel is preached now, after Jerusalem falls and the fire from heaven, that saving gospel period will be gone forever on planet earth.

 

On 9/1/2020 at 9:59 AM, iamlamad said:

Without a doubt, REAL war will break out soon. I suspect it will turn into World War III

World War 3?

No.

When Jerusalem falls, the world will cheer, celebrate, send gifts to each other, and Islam will gather on the temple mount 3 1/2 days later to wait for Jesus.

(Just before the resur/rapt and the fire from heaven.)

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People think of Israel like it is larger that it really is, I think.

Or maybe more powerful than it is.

The area of the Oklahoma panhandle is 5,686 sq mi.

The area of Israel is 8,550 sq mi., roughly about 1/3 larger.

Now imagine that all the military of Syria, Russia, Lebanon, Iran, and Iraq is attacking the panhandle.

Israel has planes, bombs, artillery and other military items.

But standing by themselves, alone, they cannot stop them.

Eventually they will fall from overwhelming forces.

Iran brags that they have 100,000 missiles in Syria alone aimed at Israel.

What about 2 years from now? 5 years? 10 years?

The fall of Jerusalem is coming, after that Jesus will come and this planet is fire. 

 

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13 hours ago, abcdef said:

There is only one more coming, and you have just described it.

There is not 2 more comings, only one 1 Cor 15:23-28, 23-24.

Then the planet is turned to fire.

If you are convinced there is only one more coming, then I fear you will miss His next coming, as shown in 1 Thes. 4 & 5 - His coming only to the air - and FOR His saints, to remove us just before His wrath. Hebrews 9:28 suggests for this coming that He will appear ONLY to those who are expecting Him. That means, the church should be expecting Him TONIGHT. How can anyone expect Him tonight if they believe in their heart He will not come until the 70th week, including those days of GT, are over? They will be expecting OTHER things, not HIM. In my mind, that is a dangerous theory to believe in. 

 

²³ But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

²⁴ Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

Revelation shows us many things that will happen BETWEEN these two verses. He will not have put down ALL rule until after the 1000 year reign of Christ. 

Anyway, we cannot form doctrine from isolated verses: we have to consider ALL end times scriptures. There is simply no way that 1 thes. 4 & 5 can be merges with Rev. 19 as if they were the same event. No, my friend, there will be TWO MORE comings.

Rev. 7: God is going to make SURE of two things before He pours out His wrath: first, the sealing of the 144,000 and then seeing the church safe in heaven. When those two events are accomplished, THEN THE HURT starts.

The fire is only to try men's works. It is on the surface. People on earth survive this. After the fire, the 1000 year reign. So the earth is not destroyed by fire then. However, at the great, white throne judgment, earth is no more. God will create a NEW earth. 

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13 hours ago, abcdef said:

The wrath that Paul talks about is the eternal wrath against those who are not saved,

not a certain earthly time period that these verses have been twisted to mean by those who wish it to mean something different than it does.

1 Thess 5:9 

No, you are mistaken. It is not just Paul, it is the BIBLE. Don't take my word for it, go back and LOOK: At the 6th seal the Day of the Lord starts. John called it the Day of His wrath. That means, a day before this, no wrath, no day of His wrath: it was church age and the age of grace. But when the rapture comes - that PRETRIB rapture you deny- when it happens, the worldwide earthquake at the 6th seal will take place, and the Day of His wrath BEGINS. Shortly after (the events of chapter 7 must take place) the 7th seal will start the 70th week and Jacob's time of trouble (7 years).

1 Thes. 5:

⁹ For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

¹⁰ Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.

 

Notice that the rapture (get to live together with Him)  is tied to wrath, or wrath tied to rapture: they cannot be separated in time. The rapture will be the trigger for the Day of His wrath.  It will be those left behind that have appointments with His wrath. 

What are you going to do with John 14? Perhaps you read it like this:

2 In my Father's house [in heaven] are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to [heaven to] prepare a place for you [in heaven]. 3 And if I go [to heaven] and prepare a place for you [in heaven], I will come again [to the air], and receive you unto myself [in the air]; that where I am [going, on the earth], there [on the earth] ye may be also.

Is this really the intent of the author here? How silly it would be for Jesus to go to heaven to prepare places (abodes, mansions) for us, and then forget them and come to earth, catch us up, too late for the marriage and supper, and attend the Battle of Armageddon.

No, the intent of the author is this:

 

2 In my Father's house [in heaven] are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to [heaven to] prepare a place for you [in heaven]. 3 And if I go [to heaven] and prepare a place for you [in heaven], I will come again [to the air], and receive you unto myself [in the air]; that where I am [going - BACK TO HEAVEN -], there [in heaven] ye may be also.

To prove this, WHERE is Jesus in chapter 19, first few verses? First He is IN HEAVEN at the marriage and supper. Then, and ONLY then, does He get on the white horse and return. The bride will have been in heaven ever since Rev. 6. The Bride will be there in heaven (first verses of Rev. 19) for the marraige and supper. Posttribbers, on the other hand, will miss the marriage and supper. 

If this is the eternal wrath of God, then every believer would be IN the wrath of God. That is just wrong. 
 

Summary: there is NO wrath, as in the age of Grace, where God has postponed judgment and werath - and then suddenly the DAY of wrath begins. In short, God gets angry!

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4 hours ago, iamlamad said:

If you are convinced there is only one more coming, then I fear you will miss His next coming, as shown in 1 Thes. 4 & 5 - His coming only to the air - and FOR His saints, to remove us just before His wrath. Hebrews 9:28 suggests for this coming that He will appear ONLY to those who are expecting Him. That means, the church should be expecting Him TONIGHT. How can anyone expect Him tonight if they believe in their heart He will not come until the 70th week, including those days of GT, are over? They will be expecting OTHER things, not HIM. In my mind, that is a dangerous theory to believe in.

The 70th week ended and the 7 year covenant confirmation ended in 37 AD when Israel rejected the new covenant Pentecost gospel kingdom.

The tribulation ended in 1967 when Jerusalem was restored to Israel. It also ended the 10 toes of the statue in Dan. 2.

Yes, when Jesus comes we will be caught up with Him.

But then this planet ends in fire.

 

Many things that you, and others, expect to be future have already happened.

 

 

4 hours ago, iamlamad said:

 

²³ But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

²⁴ Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

This scripture shows 2 resurrections.

There are no more resurrections after Jesus comes, in the air, for the Pentecost gospel kingdom.

Some pretrib have 7.

But it just isn't so.

 

4 hours ago, iamlamad said:

 

Revelation shows us many things that will happen BETWEEN these two verses. He will not have put down ALL rule until after the 1000 year reign of Christ. 

Anyway, we cannot form doctrine from isolated verses: we have to consider ALL end times scriptures. There is simply no way that 1 thes. 4 & 5 can be merges with Rev. 19 as if they were the same event. No, my friend, there will be TWO MORE comings.

Rev 19 does NOT show Jesus returning to planet earth.

It shows Jesus and the resurrected OT saints in heaven.

It does not say that Jesus returns to planet earth.

Rev 19 is showing the victory over the Roman Empire sea beast by the preaching of the gospel.

The wedding comes after Jesus delivers the gospel kingdom up to God. Rev 21.

Not before the fall of the Roman Empire in 476 AD.

There is a remnant, the earth beast who makes the "image" Roman Empire, the RCC.

 

4 hours ago, iamlamad said:

 

Rev. 7: God is going to make SURE of two things before He pours out His wrath: first, the sealing of the 144,000 and then seeing the church safe in heaven. When those two events are accomplished, THEN THE HURT starts.

The 6th seal is the day of the Lord against Jerusalem in 67-70 AD. It is NOT future.

The 144000 and the MTNMCC, are the OT saints with John and Jesus seen in 96 AD. They were resurrected with Jesus in 33 AD Eph 4:8.

The wrath described in the seals and trumpets is against the unbelieving broken branches of Israel for rejecting the gospel kingdom.

The church gospel Pentecost kingdom is still on planet earth during this time. 

 

4 hours ago, iamlamad said:

The fire is only to try men's works. It is on the surface. People on earth survive this. After the fire, the 1000 year reign. So the earth is not destroyed by fire then.

The fire to try men's works comes at the judgment.

What fire before the 1000 reign?

 

4 hours ago, iamlamad said:

However, at the great, white throne judgment, earth is no more. God will create a NEW earth. 

Yes, expect the fire that destroys this planet after the 2nd resurrection to happen within a few months/years.

Well, we won't see the fire because we will be caught up to heaven with Jesus,

Unless you look back. (Lot's wife)

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46 minutes ago, abcdef said:

The 70th week ended and the 7 year covenant confirmation ended in 37 AD when Israel rejected the new covenant Pentecost gospel kingdom.

The tribulation ended in 1967 when Jerusalem was restored to Israel. It also ended the 10 toes of the statue in Dan. 2.

Yes, when Jesus comes we will be caught up with Him.

But then this planet ends in fire.

 

Many things that you, and others, expect to be future have already happened.

Some believe as you do, but they are the vast minority of evangelical saints today: those that are born again saints.  

So please tell us WHEN the 7 trumpets and 7 vials (very much a part of the 70th week) happened? If they are in history, it should be easy. 

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48 minutes ago, abcdef said:

This scripture shows 2 resurrections.

There are no more resurrections after Jesus comes, in the air, for the Pentecost gospel kingdom.

Some pretrib have 7.

But it just isn't so.

Yes, two by title, but not two times people will be resurrected. Of the two shown, one is for all the righteous for all of time. Jesus was the firstfruits way back around 32 AD. The next wave in this "first" or primary resurrection will be the church. Then perhaps the 144,000 as firstfruits of the Jews. Then the Old Testament saints with the Two witnesses and those martyred during the week. 

Then, over a hundred years later, another resurrection for the damned. 

The truth is, it IS so. Anyone who reads can count them up. 

You are thinking only two TIMES in the realm of "TIME" there will be resurrections. God does not think in the realm of time. He only titled one resurrection (for all time) for the righteous, and one resurrection (for all time) for the unrighteous. 

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4 hours ago, iamlamad said:

No, you are mistaken. It is not just Paul, it is the BIBLE. Don't take my word for it, go back and LOOK: At the 6th seal the Day of the Lord starts. John called it the Day of His wrath. That means, a day before this, no wrath, no day of His wrath: it was church age and the age of grace.

So the 4 horsemen are not wrath? Just some nice guys bringing God's blessings?

Show me a resurrection at or before the 6th seal.

The 6th seal is the day of the Lord against Jerusalem 67-70 AD. spoken of by Peter  in Acts 2:14-21.

Not the planet earth, it is centered on Israel and Jerusalem.

 

4 hours ago, iamlamad said:

But when the rapture comes - that PRETRIB rapture you deny- when it happens, the worldwide earthquake at the 6th seal will take place, and the Day of His wrath BEGINS. Shortly after (the events of chapter 7 must take place) the 7th seal will start the 70th week and Jacob's time of trouble (7 years).

The time of Jacob's trouble starts when the Roman Empire invades Israel. 63 BC., the iron of the Dan. 2 statue and the 4th beast of Dan. 7.

It ends when Jerusalem is restored to Israel in 1967.

So the tribulation is over. Now we are waiting for the resur/rapt that happens after Jerusalem falls.

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The 7 times are not 7 years.

The 7 times are the same time period as the statue of Dan. 2.

The first 3 1/2 times is from Babylon until 70 AD when the scattering happens Dan. 12:7.

The second 3 1/2 times is from 70 AD until 1967.

The Rev centers on the second 3 1/2 times. From the scattering of 70 AD until the restoration of Jerusalem.

 

4 hours ago, iamlamad said:

 

1 Thes. 5:

⁹ For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

¹⁰ Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.

 

Notice that the rapture (get to live together with Him)  is tied to wrath, or wrath tied to rapture: they cannot be separated in time. The rapture will be the trigger for the Day of His wrath.  It will be those left behind that have appointments with His wrath. 

Again, this salvation is clearly the eternal salvation and NOT the saving from the troubles of this material world.

The people left behind after the resur/rapt are killed within the hour by the fire from heaven.

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You are thinking the events of the Rev are in sequence,

But the 7th trumpet,

the 7th vial,

And the fire from heaven,

are the same event.

The resur/rapt that is shown in each of these events is the same resurrection, the second.

There are no more after that.

 

4 hours ago, iamlamad said:

 

What are you going to do with John 14? Perhaps you read it like this:

2 In my Father's house [in heaven] are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to [heaven to] prepare a place for you [in heaven]. 3 And if I go [to heaven] and prepare a place for you [in heaven], I will come again [to the air], and receive you unto myself [in the air]; that where I am [going, on the earth], there [on the earth] ye may be also.

Is this really the intent of the author here? How silly it would be for Jesus to go to heaven to prepare places (abodes, mansions) for us, and then forget them and come to earth, catch us up, too late for the marriage and supper, and attend the Battle of Armageddon.

No, the intent of the author is this:

 

2 In my Father's house [in heaven] are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to [heaven to] prepare a place for you [in heaven]. 3 And if I go [to heaven] and prepare a place for you [in heaven], I will come again [to the air], and receive you unto myself [in the air]; that where I am [going - BACK TO HEAVEN -], there [in heaven] ye may be also.

To prove this, WHERE is Jesus in chapter 19, first few verses? First He is IN HEAVEN at the marriage and supper.

The bride shown in Rev 19 is only a prophecy of the feast and not the feast itself. She is ready, but not there yet.

The wedding can ONLY happen AFTER Jesus delivers the kingdom up to the Father 1 Cor 15:23-28, Rev 20:14-15, Rev 21:2.

Jesus is shown in heaven, yes, but it is an assumption that He is at the marriage or returning to planet earth.

 

4 hours ago, iamlamad said:

Then, and ONLY then, does He get on the white horse and return.

This is an assumption.

Nowhere in ch 19 does it say that Jesus is shown returning to planet earth.

Jesus will return in the air, in His glory for us, but if He came to this planet everyone would die from seeing His face Ex 33:20.

 

4 hours ago, iamlamad said:

If this is the eternal wrath of God, then every believer would be IN the wrath of God. That is just wrong. 

Jesus saves from God's eternal wrath.

The troubles of this material world and sin have their consequences.

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The church/kingdom is still on planet earth when these things described in the seals and trumpets happen.

Understand that the things described are about the unbelieving flesh broken branches of Israel and not the kingdom, and not the general planet earth, it is the earth of Israel.

The  Pentecost church kingdom does not suffer these things because they are under the new covenant.

 

4 hours ago, iamlamad said:

Summary: there is NO wrath, as in the age of Grace, where God has postponed judgment and werath - and then suddenly the DAY of wrath begins. In short, God gets angry!

God does not get "angry" like men.

God is love.

When God is rejected and hurt, He withdraws.

When He withdraws His blessings, then evil floods in.

This is the seals, trumpets, and unbelieving Israel.

The seals and trumpets show God withdrawing His blessings on unbelieving Israel.

 

 

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2 hours ago, iamlamad said:

Some believe as you do, but they are the vast minority of evangelical saints today: those that are born again saints. 

Some?

Nobody, as far as I know, nobody is saying what I am.

No website, group, or denomination.

This is an entirely new time line and sequence that could not be revealed until after 2003.

It seems that everyone has part of the sequences right, but just have not gotten the entire picture and the details of how they fit together.

They want to hang on to the centuries old timelines.

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Again, there are 1.2 billion people in the RCC that believe that you are not a Christian. 

 

2 hours ago, iamlamad said:

So please tell us WHEN the 7 trumpets and 7 vials (very much a part of the 70th week) happened? If they are in history, it should be easy. 

I did start discussing the trumpets and vials with you, but i think you said that you were sorry that you asked, ha ha.

Seals, 37 AD the covenant confirmed by the prince Jesus is broken by Israel rejecting the new covenant, - until 70 AD. seventh seal.

Trumpets, 70 AD until Jesus comes for the resur/rapt at the 7th trumpet and this planet ends.

Vials, 70 AD until the end of the planet earth.

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2 hours ago, iamlamad said:

Yes, two by title, but not two times people will be resurrected. Of the two shown, one is for all the righteous for all of time. Jesus was the firstfruits way back around 32 AD. The next wave in this "first" or primary resurrection will be the church. Then perhaps the 144,000 as firstfruits of the Jews. Then the Old Testament saints with the Two witnesses and those martyred during the week. 

Then, over a hundred years later, another resurrection for the damned. 

The truth is, it IS so. Anyone who reads can count them up. 

You are thinking only two TIMES in the realm of "TIME" there will be resurrections. God does not think in the realm of time. He only titled one resurrection (for all time) for the righteous, and one resurrection (for all time) for the unrighteous. 

This is typical for pretrib.

If read in sequence there are at least 7 resurrections shown in Rev..

But there are only 2.

 1st resurrection, Jesus and the OT saints Eph 4:8, the 144000 and the MNMCC.

2nd resurrection, the Pentecost kingdom/church, and the evil within the hour after Jesus comes from the fire from heaven Rev 20, they must die a physical death first. 

2, That is it, no more, no less.

The resurrections shown in the Rev are either the first one of Jesus and the OT saints, or the resur/rapt of the church/kingdom.

Each of the resurrections shown can be assigned to one or the other.