JERUSALEM IS FALLING

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11 minutes ago, Biblican said:

We will have to agree to disagree on most of this.

 

Is the scroll of the 7 seals open now? Or is it still sealed?

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20 hours ago, abcdef said:

Is the scroll of the 7 seals open now? Or is it still sealed?

All the seals were opened by Jesus when He was revealing the book of Revelation that John was going to write - but, all of them have not been literally fulfilled as yet.

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7 hours ago, Biblican said:

All the seals were opened by Jesus when He was revealing the book of Revelation that John was going to write - but, all of them have not been literally fulfilled as yet.

Which parts of the seals are literal and which parts are symbolic?

Are the 4 horsemen literally 4 persons on 4 literal horses? (no)

It seems that if you believe that that seals were opened in the presence of John in the 85-96 AD ish period (I agree), that they may have already happened by that time.

It may be that there is more symbolism there than what it first appears, so if you are looking for them to be fulfilled as literal entities and events, they may never happen or have happened.

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The Revelation was written to Israel and the gentile wild branches of the kingdom/church,

It also depends on who the first 4 seals are speaking about, who these things happen to, is it,

1. The entire planet.

2. The gentile side of the kingdom/church only.

3. The faithful believing natural branches of Israel only.

4. The unbelieving natural branches only.

5. A combination of the above.

6. Something else.

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15 hours ago, abcdef said:

Which parts of the seals are literal and which parts are symbolic?

Are the 4 horsemen literally 4 persons on 4 literal horses? (no)

It seems that if you believe that that seals were opened in the presence of John in the 85-96 AD ish period (I agree), that they may have already happened by that time.

It may be that there is more symbolism there than what it first appears, so if you are looking for them to be fulfilled as literal entities and events, they may never happen or have happened.

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The Revelation was written to Israel and the gentile wild branches of the kingdom/church,

It also depends on who the first 4 seals are speaking about, who these things happen to, is it,

1. The entire planet.

2. The gentile side of the kingdom/church only.

3. The faithful believing natural branches of Israel only.

4. The unbelieving natural branches only.

5. A combination of the above.

6. Something else.

I have had quite a few prophetic dreams and can interpret to some degree. The visions in Revelation are constructed the same way, they are basically dreams that are seen visually and not in the mind when asleep. So, I tend to see Revelation as one would who is interpreting a dream, keeping in mind that Jesus showed John in  Rev. 1:20, that certain objects are designed to represent other things, like candlesticks are churches. Regarding the chapters concerning the seals, John was being shown the principles that would be operating in the latter days. The seven seals deal specifically with the church. Chapter six, is divided into three parts. In part one we are shown the persecutors of the church (these are systems ridden/guided by demonic spirits). Individually all four taken together portray a pretty accurate portrait of the antichrist, but that's material for another post. In part two we are shown the martyrs of the ages and in part three we are shown a picture of their future vindication. Chaper seven shows us the remnant that will be protected, the 144,000 the Philadelphians,  and all the martyrs who have gone through tribulation and the last great tribulation. That segment correlates to chapter 15. Please note that the 144,000 are safely in heaven in chapter 14 after the last trumpet sounds signifying that the tribulation is about to begin. I did not understand Revelation and I asked the Lord to show me, and honestly I cannot see it any other way other than what has been revealed to me. Nice talking to you.

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How long before Jerusalem falls?

6 months?

1 year?

2 years?

3 1/2 years?

It may seem like a long time, but even if it was 15 years away,

It would only be an instant in the time of eternity.

Jerusalem will fall,

Then Jesus will come,

And human life on this planet will come to an end by fire.

This is the last chance to be saved, to get everyone into the Ark of Jesus.

 

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Jerusalem is falling,

It is getting closer to the time when it actually happens.

As it gets closer to the actual time, you will see it that it is coming to pass.

Iran, the people from across the Euphrates River, will join with the gentile nations.

They will attack Israel and conquer Jerusalem.

3 1/2 days later (Rev 11:11), the 7th/last trumpet will blow, the resurrection will take place, we will be caught up to Jesus, and the planet will be turned to fire.

Events that are taking place now are leading to this conclusion.

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The War of Armageddon has already started, it is just in the early stages.

The Battle of Armageddon, that Israel will lose, is the last major battle before Jerusalem falls.

If you are waiting for the Battle of Armageddon to begin and finish, then it will be only days until Jerusalem falls and Jesus comes to take possession of the kingdom (Rev 11:15).

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I'm sorry that the truth is bitter (Rev 10:9-11).

The life of Israel will be ended on this planet.

I can't change what is going to happen, I can't change the prophecies of Jesus.

All I can do is tell you and explain the understanding of it.

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This prophecy will not save any souls after the resurrection and this planet is fire.

So any action to save souls must be done before the resur/rapt.

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Many are waiting for the events of the Revelation to begin.

We are at the end, not waiting for it to begin.

The events described in Rev 20, just before the 2nd resurrection are happening right now, in front of you.

Jerusalem and Israel are ALREADY SURROUNDED by Iran and Magog.

It is only a short time now before Jerusalem falls. 

 

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When is this confusion and trouble going to end?

As the time gets closer, you will understand.

This is all leading to the fall of Jerusalem and the end of Israel on this planet.

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Think about it.

Who is the great nation protector of Israel? America and other Christian nations around the planet.

Those bonds are being broken by the spirit of lies and mistrust, Satanic spirits.

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With America alienated from it's allies that would have supported military assistance, the people across the Euphrates, Iran, will be able to overcome Israel and fulfill their Islamic intention of the conquest of Jerusalem.

With America in turmoil from the Satanic forces at work, murders by mob, continued violence from the weak minded, lies from those given authority, it may be that America will not be able to respond as a military force at all to the forces who are intent to destroy Israel from the planet. 

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Oh, by the way, you know that when they say they want to kill the Jews, that means Christians, you and me. Our brothers and sisters in Jesus, we are Israel by adoption, Christian Jews.

The Holy Spirit is love and the gospel, not hate (no love) and violence.

And some of these pastors (disasters) who perpetuate lies should be ashamed, supporting these politics, repent, Jesus is coming.

They should know that some of the first ones in WW 2 that were taken away by the forces of Satan were ministers, and some who were, at first, loyal supporters of the evil, only to find that Satan's promises are lies, empty lies.

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This could be it, but I don't really know for sure. It just looks possible that it could be, according to the Bible, as I believe it is saying.

It may be 10 years or 10 months, I don't know.

When will Jerusalem fall? I can't give you a date.

But it will happen EXACTLY as it says when the 7th/last trumpet blows.

Jesus will come for the kingdom 3 1/2 days after the people of Israel (the 2 witnesses) are killed.

The world will celebrate, send gifts to each other and cheer the Satanic victory over Israel and Jerusalem.

Then the planet will be destroyed by the fire from heaven.

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The prophecies will happen, they are God's Word. We can't prevent or stop them from coming true.

The only real power that we have is the gospel of peace and God's love in the Holy Spirit. It may delay/interfere with the Satanic powers at work in our world.

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The prophecy is sweet, Jesus is coming.

And bitter poison, Israel is going to die,

Killed by the Satanic spirit of Cain who killed his righteous brother Able.

Israel, 1/2 the size of the Netherlands, 1/2 the size of Belgium.

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On 9/28/2020 at 1:35 PM, abcdef said:

Is the scroll of the 7 seals open now? Or is it still sealed?

All the seals were opened when John was with Jesus in heaven. The book he received from the Father that Jesus opened is the book that John was going to write; Revelation. When the seals were opened they revealed the visions of the prophecies. All the events they revealed have not been fulfilled as yet. It is difficult to pinpoint a seal to the events because the seals themselves were not for that purpose, only to reveal the visions. For example, the first four seals reveal the persecutors of the church, the fifth, the martyrs, the sixth, their future avenging. We can say that when the final earthquake happens which is just before Jesus returns, then that would be the sixth seal. But the seventh seal reveals the beginning of the warning period of the seven trumpets and the environmental judgments which occur before that earthquake that happens before Jesus' return. So we can see that the seals reveal events that are not in chronological order.

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15 minutes ago, Biblican said:

All the seals were opened when John was with Jesus in heaven. The book he received from the Father that Jesus opened is the book that John was going to write; Revelation. When the seals were opened they revealed the visions of the prophecies. All the events they revealed have not been fulfilled as yet. It is difficult to pinpoint a seal to the events because the seals themselves were not for that purpose, only to reveal the visions. For example, the first four seals reveal the persecutors of the church, the fifth, the martyrs, the sixth, their future avenging. We can say that when the final earthquake happens which is just before Jesus returns, then that would be the sixth seal. But the seventh seal reveals the beginning of the warning period of the seven trumpets and the environmental judgments which occur before that earthquake that happens before Jesus' return. So we can see that the seals reveal events that are not in chronological order.

The events described by the seals took place before 70 AD.

They are speaking about the events that happened to the flesh of Israel for rejecting Jesus and the Holy Spirit kingdom.

The horsemen are primarily Rome persecuting Israel, 37 AD- 70 AD.

The martyrs are from the 1st resurrection, when Jesus was resurrected in 33 AD.

The sixth seal is the destruction of 70 AD Jerusalem.

The seventh seal opens the scroll. It was opened in the 85 AD ish time period.

What the scroll says is the story of the 2 witnesses, Israel.

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The trumpets describe what happens to the broken branches of flesh Israel after 70 AD until Jesus comes for the kingdom at the 7th/last trumpet.

The trumpets show Israel restored to Jerusalem (1967)and then killed.

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The reason that some believe that the trumpets have not happened yet is:

1. The events are planet wide.

No, they are describing the terrible things that the people of Israel have gone through and are going through. It is the earth of Israel, where ever Israel is, Acts 2:5. The attacker of Israel is primarily Rome, showing 70 AD-1967.

2. The events described are focused on the gentile side of the church/kingdom.

No, the events described are focused on the unbelieving broken branches and the restoration of Jerusalem to Israel.

3. The events are literal exclusively.

No, this is symbolism showing the suffering of Israel after God withdraws His blessings of protection on the broken branches.

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The scroll/trumpets is one timeline, ending at the 7th/last trumpet.

The faithful woman of ch 12 is another timeline covering about the same time as the seals/trumpets.

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10 minutes ago, abcdef said:

The events described by the seals took place before 70 AD.

They are speaking about the events that happened to the flesh of Israel for rejecting Jesus and the Holy Spirit kingdom.

The horsemen are primarily Rome persecuting Israel, 37 AD- 70 AD.

The martyrs are from the 1st resurrection, when Jesus was resurrected in 33 AD.

The sixth seal is the destruction of 70 AD Jerusalem.

The seventh seal opens the scroll. It was opened in the 85 AD ish time period.

What the scroll says is the story of the 2 witnesses, Israel.

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The trumpets describe what happens to the broken branches of flesh Israel after 70 AD until Jesus comes for the kingdom at the 7th/last trumpet.

The trumpets show Israel restored to Jerusalem (1967)and then killed.

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The reason that some believe that the trumpets have not happened yet is:

1. The events are planet wide.

No, they are describing the terrible things that the people of Israel have gone through and are going through. It is the earth of Israel, where ever Israel is, Acts 2:5. The attacker of Israel is primarily Rome, showing 70 AD-1967.

2. The events described are focused on the gentile side of the church/kingdom.

No, the events described are focused on the unbelieving broken branches and the restoration of Jerusalem to Israel.

3. The events are literal exclusively.

No, this is symbolism showing the suffering of Israel after God withdraws His blessings of protection on the broken branches.

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The scroll/trumpets is one timeline, ending at the 7th/last trumpet.

The faithful woman of ch 12 is another timeline covering about the same time as the seals/trumpets.

The book of Revelation was written 25 years after Jerusalem was destroyed in 70AD. John is told that the visions he was being given would apply to the past present and future, so to say that Revelation only applies to before 70AD is a Preterist error. Preterism was invented by a Jesuit priest to defend the Pope was accusations that he was the antichrist. It is a man inspired doctrine that contradicts the Apostles. Events in Revelation, like the drying of the Euphrates river are happening now and did not occur in 70AD.

The events in the warning period of the trumpets deal with the environment. The plagues affect 1/3rd of the planet in Rev 8 and 100 percent in chapter 16. They come to their fullness before Jesus returns. As a First Century Apostolic Christian, I would have to reject any doctrine that was added after the first century that contradicts what the apostles taught, which Preterism certainly does.