JERUSALEM IS FALLING

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6 hours ago, douggg said:

Mark 15:32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him.

 

The Antichrist....

Bishop of Rome?

Caesar and the Bishop of Rome are both the Antichrist.

See how the beast nation, the iron legs and toes, spans centuries. The iron Roman  Antichrist rules Israel for about 2000 years, 63 BC until 1967.

The primary persecutor of Israel has been Rome for that time, 2000 years, the time of the iron in the statue of Dan 2.

Caesar is the Antichrist who destroys 70 AD Jerusalem.

The Bishop of Rome is the Antichrist image of Caesar, the 8th head of Rev 17.

The Roman Empire is the original Roman beast, the Vatican is the image Roman Empire.

The beast, the iron legs/toes of Dan 2 and the 4th beast of Dan 7, is Rome.

The beast nation Rome changes form over time, but is still the iron legs and toes. 

 

6 hours ago, douggg said:

 

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King of Israel, coming in his own name?

I'm not sure what you are saying here, but I will try to give an explanation of what I think you are asking.

John 5:34, Jesus is speaking to the Jews who want to kill him.

He tells them that they are not accepting Him as Messiah as they should, but will listen to anybody else who comes along.

The one who comes in his own name is probably Caesar.

Remember the the Jews were allies with Rome. They plotted to kill Jesus at His birth, plotted His death, and claimed, "We have no king but Caesar." John 19:15.

So they didn't accept Jesus, but they did accept Caesar the Antichrist.

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6 hours ago, douggg said:

Mark 15:32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him.

 

The Antichrist....

Bishop of Rome?

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King of Israel, coming in his own name?

I forgot,

You might also remember that the Vatican claims to be Israel, the only true Israel, replacing Israel.

That would make the Bishop of Rome the Antichrist king of Israel.

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The existence of the present nation of Israel is a major problem for the Vatican. Because now there are 2 Israels, the true people of Israel and the fake Antichrist Israel of the Vatican.

The dragon/beast/false prophet have ALREADY deceived the kings of the east into attacking Jerusalem with the Iran- Vatican peace treaty. Basically, it gives Iran the Vatican's approval to destroy Israel.

Just before the battle of Armageddon.

The War of Armageddon has already started, it is just in the early stages. The final battle of Armageddon, which Israel loses, will happen very soon, months or a few years.

After the battle is over, the 7th vial will be poured out.

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This is not some far distant event, it is here. Already underway.

That is why they have plotted to destroy the people of Israel and Israel in Jerusalem. There cannot be 2 Israels, Satan does not want to share power.

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11 hours ago, abcdef said:

I'm not sure what you are saying here, but I will try to give an explanation of what I think you are asking.

What I am saying is that in order to be the Antichrist - the person has to be the King of Israel.

"Christ" infers being the King of Israel.       Christ is a greek form of messiah.

 

John 4:25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.

Mark 15:32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him.

 

"the" messiah in Jewish belief and thinking refers to the great promised King of Israel descended from king David.     To lead Israel and the world into the messianic age of peace and safety.

The Jews rejected Jesus as being that great promised King of Israel.     The Antichrist is someone coming, not long from now, who the Jews will think is the promised King of Israel, messiah instead of Jesus.        A huge mistake of course.

So in order to be the Antichrist, the person has to be a Jew, his religion Judaism, and believed by the Jews to be descended from king David.

That rules out the Popes.    And other theories, such as, the Mahdi being the person.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited January 20, 2021 by douggg

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1 minute ago, Josheb said:

Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming

The verse indicates one particular person.

But as there were some departing Christianity and belief in Jesus, there were them in John's day who had the same nature as that one person who will deny that Jesus is the christ - which John likened them to by calling them "antichrists" as well.

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On 1/19/2021 at 12:30 PM, Josheb said:

I agree. 

If it is future, Then there must be an Israel to fulfill it. The problem is - as I have repeatedly stated - the current Israel has absolutely no relationship to Biblical Israel except in name alone.

You keep saying that, but you do not give any scriptures to support your view.

 

On 1/19/2021 at 12:30 PM, Josheb said:

Not just any Israel will do. It's not about geography! And if it were the modern Israel does not possess the land God once gave it. 

It is not Israel!

One facet of the scriptures is on the restoration of the people of Israel to control of Jerusalem after the 70 AD scattering. It is not commenting on the boundaries of the land as in some places in the OT.

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Rom 11:11, "I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: ..."

They stumbled on the chief corner stone, but did not fall.

What is it, that they did not fall from? Grace? Unmerited favor?

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On 1/19/2021 at 12:30 PM, Josheb said:

 

Can't have a covenant Jerusalem without a covenant Israel. It is a huge gaping hole, ginormous inconsistency in that eschatology and no one has to subscribe to that eschatology to see it an acknowledge it. A little honesty is all that's required.

Is the covenant of Adam still in force? "... ; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel."

This covenant prophecy points to the sacrifice of Jesus, but also the kingdom and the final victory over Satan.

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The covenant of Noah? Gen 8:21, "... ; neither will I again smite anymore everything living, as I have done." v 22, While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease."

Are God's promises valid, still in force?

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Abraham ? Gen 23:17, "That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies; v 18 And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice."

Abraham's seed is still multiplying and the nations are still being blessed because of Abraham.

God's promises under this covenant are still in force.

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The covenant of Moses is dead.

To be saved one must accept Jesus in the new covenant.

But what if the broken branches of flesh Israel are still in God's grace, unmerited favor? Still "beloved for the fathers' sake"? 

That is not a covenant. That is the love and grace of God towards both Jew and gentile.

Aren't they able to be grafted back in? By multitudes? As Israel?

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Show me the scriptures that support your position, that Jerusalem will not be restored to Israel.

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9 hours ago, douggg said:

What I am saying is that in order to be the Antichrist - the person has to be the King of Israel.

"Christ" infers being the King of Israel.       Christ is a greek form of messiah.

 

John 4:25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.

Mark 15:32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him.

 

"the" messiah in Jewish belief and thinking refers to the great promised King of Israel descended from king David.     To lead Israel and the world into the messianic age of peace and safety.

The Jews rejected Jesus as being that great promised King of Israel.     The Antichrist is someone coming, not long from now, who the Jews will think is the promised King of Israel, messiah instead of Jesus.        A huge mistake of course.

So in order to be the Antichrist, the person has to be a Jew, his religion Judaism, and believed by the Jews to be descended from king David.

That rules out the Popes.    And other theories, such as, the Mahdi being the person.

The Antichrist of the Dan 2 iron legs/toes, and the 4th beast of Dan 7:25 , is Roman.

He is shown as part of the beast, one of the horns in Dan 7 and one of the heads (kings) in Rev 17, the 8th head. He is also one of the 7, Roman.

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The Antichrist spirit has shown itself many times. Originally as Satan, then Cain, then as the kings in the statue of Dan 2, Antiochus, Caesar, and the Bishop of Rome.

The Antichrist of Jesus and the apostles time was Caesar. 

He destroyed Jerusalem, the temple, and slaughtered an estimated one million or more of Israel. 

Rome chased the people of Israel to the ends of the earth after 70 AD, but, the earth helped the woman.

The woman was in the wilderness of the gentile nations for the second 3 1/2 times of the Daniel 2 statue, from 70 AD until 1967, when the woman left the wilderness and returned to restored Jerusalem.

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You may ask, "Why didn't the apostles just say that the Antichrist was Caesar and the beast was Rome?"

Because it was death or worse for someone to speak or write words against Caesar.

These NT letters that were sent to the churches were carefully worded to avoid any reference to making trouble against Caesar.

It was kind of a, "You know who I'm talking about," thing.

If you knew the scriptures in the apostles time, you would know that the reference to "the  beast", was talking about the 4th beast of Dan 7 or the iron legs/toes of Dan 2, Rome. 

When they talk about the Antichrist coming, it is about Caesar and the armies of Rome coming to destroy Jerusalem and the people of Israel.

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What scriptures are you using to come to this conclusion, that the Antichrist is Jewish?

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1 hour ago, abcdef said:

The Antichrist of the Dan 2 iron legs/toes, and the 4th beast of Dan 7:25 , is Roman.

Ah ha!   Now you see the problem with that person.   How can he be the king of the Roman Empire and also be the King of Israel?

That's what my videos are all about explaining.    "Antichrist" as a blanket term in regards to the person is almost an universal error made by just about everyone.

Instead, I use this expanded term for the person...

little horn>Antichrist>beast.

little horn>Antichrist>beast - leader of the EU

little horn>Antichrist>beast - King of Israel, coming in his own name

little horn>Antichrist>beast - dictator of the EU

 

 

The person starts out as the leader of the EU, the little horn, king of the Roman Empire in the end times.

Next, after the Gog/Magog event, the Jews will think he is the messiah, and the false prophet anoints him the King of Israel - making him the Antichrist.

Next, unexpectedly, the person betrays the Jews and violates the Mt. Sinai covenant, by claiming to be God.   The Jews reject him from continuing as their King of Israel, ending in his time as the Antichrist.

God then has the person killed, but in disdain for him brings him back to life.   The person then becomes the beast.     Which the ten kings (leaders) of the EU hand their kingdom over to him to be dictator of the EU, the kingdom of the beast.

 

 

 

Edited January 21, 2021 by douggg

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39 minutes ago, douggg said:

Ah ha!   Now you see the problem with that person.   How can he be the king of the Roman Empire and also be the King of Israel?

That's what my videos are all about explaining.    "Antichrist" as a blanket term in regards to the person is almost an universal error made by just about everyone.

Instead, I use this expanded term for the person...

little horn>Antichrist>beast.

little horn>Antichrist>beast - leader of the EU

little horn>Antichrist>beast - King of Israel, coming in his own name

little horn>Antichrist>beast - dictator of the EU

 

 

The person starts out as the leader of the EU, the little horn, king of the Roman Empire in the end times.

Next, after the Gog/Magog event, the Jews will think he is the messiah, and the false prophet anoints him the King of Israel - making him the Antichrist.

Next, unexpectedly, the person betrays the Jews and violates the Mt. Sinai covenant, by claiming to be God.   The Jews reject him from continuing as their King of Israel, ending in his time as the Antichrist.

God then has the person killed, but in disdain for him brings him back to life.   The person then becomes the beast.     Which the ten kings (leaders) of the EU hand their kingdom over to him to be dictator of the EU, the kingdom of the beast.

The beast is a city/state/nation, Rome, as shown in the statue of Dan 2 as the iron.

The Antichrist, little horn, and false prophet are all the same person, the leader of the Roman nation, Caesar and the Bishop of Rome.

Their dominance over the people of Israel lasts 2000 years and is not just one person or one lifetime. (2nd 3 1/2 times, the second part of the Dan 2 statue, 70 AD-1967.)

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Caesar was the king of Israel. He conquered them in his own name. 

He was the king of Israel for the ruling Jews Jn 19:15, "The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar."

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Think about this,

The statue of Dan 2 shows that Rome dominates the people of Israel, without stopping and starting the iron again. That is, the iron legs and toes are one piece in the time line. The iron Rome does not stop it's domination over Israel and then start again. It does not end, with a timeline gap, and then return again. There are no breaks/gaps in the timeline, it is continual.

So if you believe, that we are in the time of the iron, somewhere, who was the iron Roman nation 1900 years ago?

Who was the iron Roman nation 500 years ago?

Who was the Roman iron nation 200 years ago?

Who is the iron right Now?

There can be ONLY ONE ANSWER,

Caesar and the Bishop of Rome.

So this Antichrist, that everyone is waiting for, has been here for 1900 years.

Destroying Jerusalem and killing Israel for over 1900 years.

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Show me the scriptures that say that the Antichrist is Jewish.

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9 minutes ago, abcdef said:

The Antichrist, little horn, and false prophet are all the same person, the leader of the Roman nation, Caesar and the Bishop of Rome.

While the little horn and the Antichrist are the same person.   The false prophet is a separate person.  

 

Those two persons little horn/Antichrist/beast and the false prophet will be cast alive into the lake of fire at Jesus's return.

 

Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

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1 hour ago, douggg said:

Ah ha!   Now you see the problem with that person.   How can he be the king of the Roman Empire and also be the King of Israel?

That's what my videos are all about explaining.    "Antichrist" as a blanket term in regards to the person is almost an universal error made by just about everyone.

Instead, I use this expanded term for the person...

little horn>Antichrist>beast.

little horn>Antichrist>beast - leader of the EU

little horn>Antichrist>beast - King of Israel, coming in his own name

little horn>Antichrist>beast - dictator of the EU

 

 

The person starts out as the leader of the EU, the little horn, king of the Roman Empire in the end times.

Next, after the Gog/Magog event, the Jews will think he is the messiah, and the false prophet anoints him the King of Israel - making him the Antichrist.

Next, unexpectedly, the person betrays the Jews and violates the Mt. Sinai covenant, by claiming to be God.   The Jews reject him from continuing as their King of Israel, ending in his time as the Antichrist.

God then has the person killed, but in disdain for him brings him back to life.   The person then becomes the beast.     Which the ten kings (leaders) of the EU hand their kingdom over to him to be dictator of the EU, the kingdom of the beast.

Douggg,

Here is something else that you may want to think about, as far as the EU is concerned,

See that the statue in Dan 2 shows just the opposite of the EU/10 nation theory.

The statue is strongest at the lower hips, the thickest, largest part of the Roman iron domination.

After that, the iron gets smaller, divides in the 3rd century, is mixed with clay in the feet, divided into 10 toes, which are also mixed with clay, and then come to an end when Jerusalem is restored.

The statue does not show the toes coming together again, but instead growing smaller being mixed with clay and ending.

So the idea that the EU is some how the toes having great power, ruling the planet, like the powerful lower hips, is just the opposite of what the statue shows.

The statue shows the Roman power over Israel growing weaker through the ages and ending.