JERUSALEM IS FALLING

[Biblican]

On 2/23/2021 at 3:18 PM, abcdef said:

See, look, listen,

The War of Armageddon has begun, it's just in it's early stages. It will soon end with the Battle of Armageddon which Israel will lose and Jerusalem will fall.

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Israel is losing international support. The will to defend Israel is diminishing. Things are happening in the U. S. that are giving power to those who hate Israel.

Soon, Israel will be alone. Then Iran will become bold and attack with their allies, Syria, Russia, Lebanon, and others.

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Because some are so set on their time line, that they don't see it coming. 

Iran is the kings of the east. They are attacking now.

They are attacking according to the events shown in the 6th trumpet, the 6th vial, and the end of the mill period.

The Rev time line is not consecutive, it is broken in many places. It shows the same time over and over. This is why pretrib doesn't see it coming.

The 6th trumpet has armies crossing the Euphrates.

The 6th vial has armies crossing the Euphrates.

The end of the mill has Jerusalem surrounded.

Only with a broken repeating time line can some one understand that Jerusalem is restored and about to fall.

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These things are happening now, not some time in the far future.

 

I agree. A lot of it is progressive. Regarding your post about matching the sixth trumpet with the sxith vial, they are related. I see the sixth trumpet as the releasing of events that will eventually lead up to their fulfillment in the sixth vial. The people behind Israel want a war with Iran that they think will advance their agenda. I think it's going to backfire.

[Biblican]

On 2/25/2021 at 12:46 PM, Josheb said:

That's plainly untrue. 

It is the preterist who reads Revelation 1:1-3 plainly and does not in any way twist what the verses state. It is the preterist who reads Revelation 22:7,10 as written without any twisting or added interpretation. It is the preterist who reads "this generation" to mean solely and exactly what it states without twisting the words to accommodate anything. This demonstrably true. You, Biblican, twist those words of scripture. 

And then you argue over the more figurative passages that require interpretation. 

 

So take a look in the mirror and apply your own measures to yourself. When you do in fact demonstrably read the first three verses of Revelation as written then and only then will you have enough integrity to complain against preterism. Until then it is hypocrisy to do so. 

I am a first century apostolic Christian. I reject any doctrines that were added after the first century that contract the scriptures. Preterism is in that category and I totally reject it on that basis. The scriptures have to come first and if only one scripture contradicts it and there are more than one, then Preterism is rendered illegitimate. You are entitled to your beliefs, but they are not mine and will never be.

[Jacob75]

On 8/11/2020 at 12:30 PM, abcdef said:

 

3 1/2 DAYS AFTER JERUSALEM FALLS JESUS WILL COME FOR THE KINGDOM AND THIS PLANET WILL END IN FIRE.

 

The time of the 7th/last trumpet is here. All of the seals have been broken and 6 of the trumpets have blown.

Jerusalem is surrounded by the 200 mill man army, who are the Kings of the East (Iran) and the forces of Magog (the unbelieving gentile nations, Syria, Russia, Egypt, etc.).

Events taking place now around the globe are leading to the end of Israel on this planet.

Nothing can stop this from happening.

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Right now, the War of Armageddon has already begun. It will soon end in the final battle of Armageddon which Israel will lose.

Soon it will become evident to everyone that Jerusalem is going to fall.

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When Jerusalem falls this time, if the planet were allowed to continue after that, Israel would soon blend in to the gentile nations and cease to be a unique genetic race.

That is why Jesus ends life on this planet, because Israel is no more.

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No, you don't believe it, I know. You don't want think that this could be true. It can't be true, don't let it be true. You want proof.

Turn your eyes to the Middle East.

Look at the situation there.

Understand that because of events taking place now, the politics of those who have no love for Israel, Israel will soon stand alone and isolated from supporters.

Months possibly, a few years maybe.

Israel, half the size of the Netherlands, half the size of Belgium, a small country, facing the 200 mill army.

Soon everyone will watch in horror as these demon armies attack and are successful.

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Not long from now, we will be standing in front of the throne and this will all be gone, this planet will fly away.

One thing that will matter most is how many souls you brought into the Ark of Jesus, His covenant.

Time is running out. 

 

You wrote this 1-1/2 years ago, and now in Feb. 2021 Jerusalem is still standing.  

Is your Pentecostal anointing not functioning well?

[abcdef]

22 hours ago, Biblican said:

I agree. A lot of it is progressive. Regarding your post about matching the sixth trumpet with the sxith vial, they are related. I see the sixth trumpet as the releasing of events that will eventually lead up to their fulfillment in the sixth vial. The people behind Israel want a war with Iran that they think will advance their agenda. I think it's going to backfire.

I read your book on the vials Rev 16.

Ok, walk with me for awhile.

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Think about this possibility,

That the 7 trumpets and the 7 vials cover the same time period from different points of view.

The 7 trumpets center on the unbelieving broken branches,

And the vials on the beast.

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To understand this possibility, one must recognize that there are breaks in the time line at a few places in the Revelation.

One that most agree on is the one between Rev 11 and Rev 12.

Another time line break would be between Rev 12 and Rev 13.

Rev 13 and 14, and between Rev 14 and 15-16. etc.

These breaks show a time line that begins and ends over and over, repeating its self.

So the Revelation is not necessarily one continual time line without breaks. One break opens up the possibility that there are others.

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You see that the river Euphrates is drying up. I will tell you now that is already just a trickle of a flow.

Because the image of waters in the Euphrates River region is the people and strength of the people in that area, Iraq.

The waters are people Rev 17:15, Isa 8:7-8. You are thinking that the Euphrates River was the actual material River, but it is an image.

The power and people of Iraq were keeping the kings of the east, Iran, from attacking restored to Israel Jerusalem.

But now the people are dried up and in league with Iran, bringing war materials into Syria and Lebanon to attack Jerusalem. The winds of destruction are blowing across the Euphrates towards Jerusalem.

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So maybe you think that it is the actual river that it is talking about, and you are seeing it dry up, well, it could actually dry up, I mean the Rio Grand dries up and lakes and seas dry up.

But what happens to the time line if it does dry up?

Wouldn't that place us at the time of the 6th vial? Or close to the time?

What about all the other things that are supposed to happen before then? Asteroids, water into blood, darkness, bitter waters, sores, etc?

I mean that if we are at the time or just before the time of the 6th vial, what happened to all that other stuff that is supposed to happen first.?

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Well I will tell you that we are well underway in the 6th vial and the 6th trumpet.

And all those things that are to happen, have happened already.

That is because they are symbolic images, and the symbols themselves are not the entity intended, but what the symbolic images REPRESENT, that are the intended entity.

That is just like the waters of the River Euphrates represent the people of that region and not the actual river itself.

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You are also seeing that armies from across the river are assembling.

200 million.

When you count an army, you just don't count the people in the front lines, you also count the cooks, truck drivers, warehouse people, etc., those supporting the armies. 

If you count all the people who are supporting the attacks on Israel today, that number is easily 200 mill. Maybe in the Islamic countries alone, not counting Russian and Chinese supporters.

Most have the perception that the 200 mill must all be front line foot soldiers.

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Think about this, the 6th trumpet and the 6th vial, would not be important, if the people of Israel were not restored to Jerusalem. (1967)

I mean, that the images that show the direction of the armies, show that they are headed for Jerusalem.

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It's not future, it's here now. 

Sadly, you hear many supporting war with Iran.

I agree with you on this, it will end bitterly.

Events that are taking place now will end support for Israel. They will be alone.

Enough for now.

Edited February 28, 2021 by abcdef

[abcdef]

16 hours ago, Jacob75 said:

You wrote this 1-1/2 years ago, and now in Feb. 2021 Jerusalem is still standing. 

Actually I have been saying this for 20 years now.

You want me to say a day or year in the time of men, I can't do it.

But what I say is that when Jerusalem falls this time the 7th trumpet will blow,

3 1/2 days after Jerusalem falls to Iran and its allies, Rev 11.

You tell me when Jerusalem will fall to Iran and its allies, and I'll tell you when Jesus is coming for the kingdom. (3 1/2 days later)

 

16 hours ago, Jacob75 said:

Is your Pentecostal anointing not functioning well?

Nice try, ha ha.

Church of Christ preacher for 30 years.

Campbellites, not the name stealing Mormons.

And besides, most Pentecostals are pretrib, which I am not.

 

[Jacob75]

On 2/27/2021 at 6:01 PM, abcdef said:

Actually I have been saying this for 20 years now.

You want me to say a day or year in the time of men, I can't do it.

But what I say is that when Jerusalem falls this time the 7th trumpet will blow,

3 1/2 days after Jerusalem falls to Iran and its allies, Rev 11.

You tell me when Jerusalem will fall to Iran and its allies, and I'll tell you when Jesus is coming for the kingdom. (3 1/2 days later)

 

Nice try, ha ha.

Church of Christ preacher for 30 years.

Campbellites, not the name stealing Mormons.

And besides, most Pentecostals are pretrib, which I am not.

 

Yes, you admit 20 years ago you said "Soon it will be evident to everyone."  The "Soon" description was in error.  Care to be responsible for idle words ... ?

(Hint: check Matt. 12:36.  Unless you ignore that part of the Bible.  Do you?)

Yes, I agree you are a preacher.

Edited March 2, 2021 by Jacob75

[Biblican]

On 2/27/2021 at 12:06 PM, Josheb said:

Irrelevant. 

The point was preterists do NOT twist scripture and add to it to fit their view. Preterists are more likely than others, especially the Dispensationalists who claim to be literal, to read scripture first and foremost as written and I provided several examples of thst fact. 

As far as that point of dispute goes, it doesn't matter what kind of Christian you are; your statement was false and demonstrably so. 

And the response to my dissent and the facts in evidence to support that dissent was just avoided with an appeal to the quality of your Christianity. 

Stick to the point: preterists don't twist scripture. The reason we believe what we believe is because we read scripture as plainly as possible, not because we do as you said and twist it.

You are reading scripture through the eyes of someone else who invented the doctrine. It's not supported by scripture. Live with it, I'm not.

[Biblican]

On 2/27/2021 at 8:46 PM, abcdef said:

I read your book on the vials Rev 16.

Ok, walk with me for awhile.

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Think about this possibility,

That the 7 trumpets and the 7 vials cover the same time period from different points of view.

The 7 trumpets center on the unbelieving broken branches,

And the vials on the beast.

------

To understand this possibility, one must recognize that there are breaks in the time line at a few places in the Revelation.

One that most agree on is the one between Rev 11 and Rev 12.

Another time line break would be between Rev 12 and Rev 13.

Rev 13 and 14, and between Rev 14 and 15-16. etc.

These breaks show a time line that begins and ends over and over, repeating its self.

So the Revelation is not necessarily one continual time line without breaks. One break opens up the possibility that there are others.

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You see that the river Euphrates is drying up. I will tell you now that is already just a trickle of a flow.

Because the image of waters in the Euphrates River region is the people and strength of the people in that area, Iraq.

The waters are people Rev 17:15, Isa 8:7-8. You are thinking that the Euphrates River was the actual material River, but it is an image.

The power and people of Iraq were keeping the kings of the east, Iran, from attacking restored to Israel Jerusalem.

But now the people are dried up and in league with Iran, bringing war materials into Syria and Lebanon to attack Jerusalem. The winds of destruction are blowing across the Euphrates towards Jerusalem.

--------

So maybe you think that it is the actual river that it is talking about, and you are seeing it dry up, well, it could actually dry up, I mean the Rio Grand dries up and lakes and seas dry up.

But what happens to the time line if it does dry up?

Wouldn't that place us at the time of the 6th vial? Or close to the time?

What about all the other things that are supposed to happen before then? Asteroids, water into blood, darkness, bitter waters, sores, etc?

I mean that if we are at the time or just before the time of the 6th vial, what happened to all that other stuff that is supposed to happen first.?

-

Well I will tell you that we are well underway in the 6th vial and the 6th trumpet.

And all those things that are to happen, have happened already.

That is because they are symbolic images, and the symbols themselves are not the entity intended, but what the symbolic images REPRESENT, that are the intended entity.

That is just like the waters of the River Euphrates represent the people of that region and not the actual river itself.

----

You are also seeing that armies from across the river are assembling.

200 million.

When you count an army, you just don't count the people in the front lines, you also count the cooks, truck drivers, warehouse people, etc., those supporting the armies. 

If you count all the people who are supporting the attacks on Israel today, that number is easily 200 mill. Maybe in the Islamic countries alone, not counting Russian and Chinese supporters.

Most have the perception that the 200 mill must all be front line foot soldiers.

------

Think about this, the 6th trumpet and the 6th vial, would not be important, if the people of Israel were not restored to Jerusalem. (1967)

I mean, that the images that show the direction of the armies, show that they are headed for Jerusalem.

--

It's not future, it's here now. 

Sadly, you hear many supporting war with Iran.

I agree with you on this, it will end bitterly.

Events that are taking place now will end support for Israel. They will be alone.

Enough for now.

Interesting perspective, but it's not all symbolic. The fact is the Euphrates is drying literally which tells us we are in the time. We're supposed to get hit by a meteor off the Florida coast within one to three years. I see everything culminating in about fifty years and that's it. Israel may be attacked and subdued, be brought under the antichrist's authority for a bit before the big war. We'll see. I Know that If Israel provokes a war with Iran it will be a disaster for her, she's Sodom and Egypt in God's eyes right now, and so is the U.S. for that matter.

[abcdef]

13 hours ago, Biblican said:

Interesting perspective, but it's not all symbolic.

What is symbolic, and what is not. This is the center of the matter, along with the time lines.

But I believe that sifting through the details will clarify the issues.

Many of the numbers in the Rev are symbolic,

4, earth, four corners of the earth, the four winds, four direction, north, south, east, west. (The center is in Jerusalem.) Four parts of creation Rev 14:7. Four elements air, water, earth, and fire.

5, separation, division, 10 virgins- 5 wise and 5 foolish they were divided and separated.

6, the number of man, almost perfect, the creation, the animal spirit in man, the disaster and ends of the ways of men against God.

7, complete

Understanding the symbolism sheds light on a subject.

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To recognize exactly when the trumpets and vials are initiated, the results of the actions should be recognized.

For example, when the 6th vial is "poured out" the results of that action can be identified.

The result of the 6th vial is that the Euphrates dries up. Rev 16:12.

So what event, causes the river to dry up? What is the date that the 6th vial is poured out? I mean, if the Euphrates is already drying up, then doesn't that mean that the vial is already beginning to be poured out?

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But what if the waters of the Euphrates are representing the people o that area?

Isa 8:7-8. Isa 57:20. Jer 46:7-8. These verses show hat the "waters" are sometimes symbols of the people in a certain area, such as the Nile representing the people of Egypt.

So the Euphrates dries up, the people of that area lose their power that keeps the kings of the east from attacking restored to Israel Jerusalem.

When did the people of the Euphrates region begin to lose their power? What event happened, that caused them to be diminished?

9/11/01. When the towers fell, Bush attacked and destroyed the power in the Euphrates region, the people that kept Iran from attacking Jerusalem.

That event 9/11, was the sounding of the 6th trumpet AND the 6th vial.

That date, is the beginning of events that led to the strength of the people of the Euphrates region being dried up. Making way for Iran to attack Jerusalem and bringing about our present situation, where the winds of destruction are blowing across the Euphrates river towards Jerusalem. 

(You might ask yourself this question, Why attack Iraq, when they had nothing to do with the 9/11 attack? One answer is, to fulfill the prophecy of the Euphrates drying up, so that Iran can begin to blow the winds of destruction towards restored Jerusalem.)

 

13 hours ago, Biblican said:

The fact is the Euphrates is drying literally which tells us we are in the time.

You already believe that the present Euphrates River is not an obstacle to a modern military.

So if the river is not now any problem for the military, what was/is the obstacle that kept/is still keeping, Iran from attacking Jerusalem with full force?

The people of Iraq, in the Euphrates region, not the river itself.

 

13 hours ago, Biblican said:

We're supposed to get hit by a meteor off the Florida coast within one to three years.

Would that be a fulfillment of prophecy? Or just another asteroid?

You are missing the symbolism of the image, as it relates to the people of Israel.

 

13 hours ago, Biblican said:

I see everything culminating in about fifty years and that's it.

I'm pretty sure that it will be much sooner than that. 

When Iran conquers Jerusalem, 3 1/2 days later, this planet ends in fire, the 7th vial/trumpet.

 

13 hours ago, Biblican said:

Israel may be attacked and subdued, be brought under the antichrist's authority for a bit before the big war. We'll see.

Because the differences in the details between the 70 AD destruction and the coming attack have been mixed up, they distort the images of the coming disaster.

 

13 hours ago, Biblican said:

I Know that If Israel provokes a war with Iran it will be a disaster for her, she's Sodom and Egypt in God's eyes right now, and so is the U.S. for that matter.

The fact that there is a restored Jerusalem right now shows that the flesh of Israel is blessed because of the promises made to the fathers.

[Biblican]

On 3/2/2021 at 9:42 PM, Josheb said:

Again, the words of your post are demonstrably untrue and you are not engaging the examples I provided. Protest all you like but the protest does not change the facts in evidence. Falsely accuse us all you like but false accusations do not change the facts in evidence. Preterists are more likely than others to read scripture as written wherever written and not add to subtract from or twist it. There may be some valid criticisms of the preterist approach but your complaint is not one of them. 

If Preterism was a circus act it would be a contortionist.