JERUSALEM IS FALLING

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Friends,

What you are not understanding is that we are living in the time between the end of the toes and the stone striking in the statue of Dan. 2.

We are in the time after the 6th trumpet and just before the 7th trumpet, in Rev chs. 9-11.

We are in the time just after the 6th vial and before the 7th vial, in Rev  15-16.

We are at the time in Rev 20, where Gog/Magog surround Jerusalem, then comes the second resurrection and the fire from heaven.

All of these texts are showing the same events that are happening RIGHT NOW!

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The 7th trumpet ends the story of the 7 seals/trumpets timeline. 

The 7th vial ends the timeline of the 7 vials.

The fire from heaven ends the timeline of events that take place on this planet, after that comes the new spiritual earth.

All these are showing the same timeline over and over, centering on 70 AD through 1967 when Jerusalem was restored to the control of the people if Israel.

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The great scattering tribulation period of the people of Israel is over.

The power of the beast dragon Rome, Rev 13:5 -42 months, has ended.

The power of the Dan. 7:25, Roman 4th beast is ended, the 3 1/2 times.

The 42 months of the 2 witnesses in Rev 11 has ended and the people of Israel are restored to Jerusalem and witness through the scriptures.

The 1,260 days are over and completed.

We are living in the time of the 7th trumpet, 7th vial, the fire from heaven, and the stone striking the earth in Dan. 2.

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The 1,260 days, the 42 months, 3 1/2 times, and 7 times are not literal.

They are symbolic images of the Dan. 2 statue and it's divisions.

The 7 times period is the same as the Dan. 2 statue.

Two periods of 3 1/2 times each,

the first, Babylon until 70 AD, Dan. 12:7,

the second, 70 AD until 1967 when Jerusalem is restored, completing the time of the statue.

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Many are waiting for the events of the Rev to begin in the future, but are not realizing that we are in the far future from the writing of the Revelation. That is, we are the future that the Rev is talking about, realizing it just before the very end.

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Jerusalem has been restored to the control of the people of Israel.

The armies of the 6th trumpet, 6th vial, and those who surround Jerusalem in Rev 20, are ALREADY assembling and attacking the people of Israel and Jerusalem.

The Roman dragon beast false prophet (RCC, Vatican), has ALREADY deceived the kings of the east from across the Euphrates River into attacking restored Jerusalem. Vatican/Iran treaty, Rev 16:13-14.

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Consider this, the iron nation of the Dan. 2 statue has a continual time line.

That time line shows the domination of Rome over the people of Israel.

We know that the time line of the Roman iron begins in about 63 BC when Rome invades Israel.

But then, the timeline continues for 2000 years until the toes end without a break.

So who was the iron nation 1000 years ago? Rome.

Who was the iron nation 500 years ago? Rome.

Who was the iron nation 100 years ago? Rome.

Who is the iron nation right now? Rome, but their domination over the people of Israel ended and the iron ended when Jerusalem was restored.

Who is the only one that can be the dragon beast iron nation that lasts for 2000 years, changing form, just an image now, but still the iron? It can ONLY, ONLY, ONLY, be Rome.

The power of the iron Roman beast ends when the toes of the statue end. That happens when Jerusalem is restored to the people of Israel. The statue begins when the people of Israel are carried away into Babylon. It ends when the opposite happens, the people return to complete control of Jerusalem.   

Since the people of Israel have returned to control Jerusalem and the toes have ended,

THE NEXT EVENT TO HAPPEN ON THE DAN. 2 TIMELINE IS THE STONE STRIKES!

IT IS THE END OF THIS PLANET AND THE BEGINNING OF JUDGMENT AND ETERNITY.

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All of these things are made known now, because it will not save souls after this planet comes to a fiery end.

 

[Spiros]

Anyone like to comment on this:

 

Kyriakos Mitsotakis, the prime minister of Greece, was born on  March 4, 1968. This means that his nominal date of conception is June 4, 1967. But the Six-Day War started on June 5, 1967.

 

The territorial changes of this war: Israel occupied the Gaza Strip and the Sinai Peninsula, the West Bank (including East Jerusalem), and the Golan Heights.

 

If one computes the isopsephy(Hellenic gematria) value of the phrase for "one thousand nine hundred and sixty seven" as ''ΧΙΛΙΑ ΕΝΝΙΑΚΟΣΙΑ ΕΞΗΚΟΝΤΑ ΕΠΤΑ", it is equal to that of "the name of the beast" as "ΤΟ ΟΝΟΜΑ ΤΟΥ ΘΗΡΙΟΥ", which is equal to that of "Kyriakos Mitsotakis" as "ΚΥΡΙΑΚΟΣ ΜΗΤΣΟΤΑΚΗΣ" which is 1968.

 

 Does the present Greek-Israeli alliance have anything to do with this?  

Edited April 18, 2021 by Spiros

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14 hours ago, Spiros said:

Anyone like to comment on this:

 

Kyriakos Mitsotakis, the prime minister of Greece, was born on  March 4, 1968. This means that his nominal date of conception is June 4, 1967. But the Six-Day War started on June 5, 1967.

 

The territorial changes of this war: Israel occupied the Gaza Strip and the Sinai Peninsula, the West Bank (including East Jerusalem), and the Golan Heights.

 

If one computes the isopsephy(Hellenic gematria) value of the phrase for "one thousand nine hundred and sixty seven" as ''ΧΙΛΙΑ ΕΝΝΙΑΚΟΣΙΑ ΕΞΗΚΟΝΤΑ ΕΠΤΑ", it is equal to that of "the name of the beast" as "ΤΟ ΟΝΟΜΑ ΤΟΥ ΘΗΡΙΟΥ", which is equal to that of "Kyriakos Mitsotakis" as "ΚΥΡΙΑΚΟΣ ΜΗΤΣΟΤΑΚΗΣ" which is 1968.

 

 Does the present Greek-Israeli alliance have anything to do with this?  

I don't know. But I believe that it's not in the Bible.

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It is a waste of time to analyze numbers in names or interpret some meaning to them outside of the Bible. (And is close to demonology)

40, 7, 3 1/2, 144,000, 7000, 1000, 6, are numbers in the Bible that may not always be literal years or days like people generally look at them. Many times the numbers are only symbols and and the symbols themselves are not the intended entity.

For example, the 7 trumpets. The number represents complete, so when the seventh trumpet blows the timeline of the 7 trumpets is completed.

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Some try to figure out what 666 is, like it is a name or something. But the answer is not found in the "name is a number game".

The meaning is found in number itself and not changing the number into a name.

The first thing is that the number is not 777, which would be completely complete and complete again. Maybe the number of God.

But 666 is almost complete, almost, almost. Really close, there is power, and authority like God, but not complete, not God, almost God but NOT God, lacking.

God is perfect love, anything that is not God, is not love, less love, almost love, but not perfect love. People have some love, even the hypocrites love their own, but the love of people cannot be made perfect except in the Holy Spirit, so people are lacking.

So this number 666, is showing the number of man, the number of power and authority, but lacking. Some love for his own, but the lacking of love (what we call hate/evil) for the people of Israel who worship the one true God.

In the 85-96 AD ish period, this would have been Caesar.

 

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On 4/17/2021 at 10:56 AM, abcdef said:

Friends,

What you are not understanding is that we are living in the time between the end of the toes and the stone striking in the statue of Dan. 2.

We are in the time after the 6th trumpet and just before the 7th trumpet, in Rev chs. 9-11.

We are in the time just after the 6th vial and before the 7th vial, in Rev  15-16.

We are at the time in Rev 20, where Gog/Magog surround Jerusalem, then comes the second resurrection and the fire from heaven.

All of these texts are showing the same events that are happening RIGHT NOW!

we are living in the time between the end of the toes and the stone striking in the statue of Dan. 2.  Agreed: we are in the time of the toes.

We are in the time after the 6th trumpet and just before the 7th trumpet  Totally ridiculous: no trumpet judgment has been sounded. They come with God's wrath and God's wrath for judgment has not yet started. Before any trumpet can sound, the 7th seal must be opened. It cannot be opened until the 6th seal start of the Day of the Lord is opened. There has been NO worldwide earthquake, followed by a total eclipse of the sun and of the moon (The sun turning dark and the moon into blood).  

We ARE in the days of the 5th seal: the martyrs of the church age. We ARE in the church age: seals 1 through 4 continuing.

 

We are in the time just after the 6th vial and before the 7th vial  This is even worse that your previous statement!  More than rediculous. NO VIAL can be poured out until the days of GT arrive and are in full swing. The days of GT CANNOT COME until the Beast and False Prophet arrive. They are no where to be seen, because they cannot come until all 7 trumpet judgments have sounded.  Not one trumpet has sounded. 

We are still in the church age. All trumpets and vials will come in the FUTURE Day of the Lord - which day will not come until the pretrib rapture TRIGGERS it.

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4 hours ago, abcdef said:

I don't know. But I believe that it's not in the Bible.

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It is a waste of time to analyze numbers in names or interpret some meaning to them outside of the Bible. (And is close to demonology)

40, 7, 3 1/2, 144,000, 7000, 1000, 6, are numbers in the Bible that may not always be literal years or days like people generally look at them. Many times the numbers are only symbols and and the symbols themselves are not the intended entity.

For example, the 7 trumpets. The number represents complete, so when the seventh trumpet blows the timeline of the 7 trumpets is completed.

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Some try to figure out what 666 is, like it is a name or something. But the answer is not found in the "name is a number game".

The meaning is found in number itself and not changing the number into a name.

The first thing is that the number is not 777, which would be completely complete and complete again. Maybe the number of God.

But 666 is almost complete, almost, almost. Really close, there is power, and authority like God, but not complete, not God, almost God but NOT God, lacking.

God is perfect love, anything that is not God, is not love, less love, almost love, but not perfect love. People have some love, even the hypocrites love their own, but the love of people cannot be made perfect except in the Holy Spirit, so people are lacking.

So this number 666, is showing the number of man, the number of power and authority, but lacking. Some love for his own, but the lacking of love (what we call hate/evil) for the people of Israel who worship the one true God.

In the 85-96 AD ish period, this would have been Caesar.

 

But the question one might ask is how do we know if something is outside of the Bible? The Bible apart from events linked to the life of Jesus Christ from conception to ascension also refers to His second coming and end of time events.

 

 

I believe the number of the beast is not three sixes but rather six one six. The New Testament was written in Greek and one of the four evangelists was Greek. It thus makes no sense to use Hebrew gematria to compute the number of the beast like in the case of Nero. Actually, using Greek isopsephy and the geographic Christian code I have uncovered, the name of Nero  points to Bethlehem. It is not the number of any beast.

 

 

So what is the explanation. To understand one needs to explain the dragon and the first beast. You can look at the topic I opened here:

 

 

https://www.worthychristianforums.com/topic/264899-the-dragon-the-first-beast-and-the-harlot-queen/

 

 

The "arrival" of the second beast must postdate the arrival of the first beast that took place the year 1969.

 

 

The answer is thus here:

 

 

https://www.worthychristianforums.com/topic/245333-what-666-represents/?page=8&tab=comments#comment-3369958

 

 

A lot can be said about this identification. The beast is not a man, it relates to the name of a man. What Revelation wants to tell us is that scientific advances and technology might be used by evil individuals that make up what we call a "new world order". Thus the Antichrist relates to an Anti-Religion which can also be based on technology, engineering, mathematics and sciences like physics, astronomy, Chemistry, geology and so on.  Trying thus to find an evil scapegoat with a gematria value of triple six or six one six, is not what Revelation has in mind.

 

 

Seven relates to the seventh day Sabbath, and consequently the planet Saturn.

Six relates to the sixth day Friday, and consequently the planet Venus. The ancient Hellenes(Greeks) called Venus Eosphorus(Lucifer), or Hesperus. Lucifer brought the light(Sun rise), and Hesperus brought the darkness(Sun set). In the NT Eosphorus is called Phosphorus. This is because from what I understand Jesus was born on a Friday. It is interesting to note how many world leaders especially in the Middle East were born on a Friday. Let's not forget Trump and Biden.

 

Nero does not work out for another reason. He was not the sixth king. In Revelation we read that the seventh king will rule for a little while. If Nero is the beast and the sixth king, then the successor Galba rules for a little while: 8 June 68 – 15 January 69. But this would mean that Caesar Augustus is the second king. This is a problem since Augustus was the first Roman emperor.

 

My theory is that Richard Nixon was the fifth "king" and his successor Gerald Ford was the sixth king that would rule for a little while. This way we have the first king being Franklin D. Roosevelt who started ruling before the second world war and ended his rule the same year that the war ended(1945).

 

 

Edited April 19, 2021 by Spiros

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On 4/19/2021 at 12:19 PM, iamlamad said:

we are living in the time between the end of the toes and the stone striking in the statue of Dan. 2.  Agreed: we are in the time of the toes.

No, I am saying that the time of the toes is over. The toes have ended in 1967 and now we are in the time between the toes ending and the stone striking.

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1. Look closely at the statue of Dan. 2. What event causes the statue to begin?

The statue begins when the people of Israel are taken captive from Jerusalem to Babylon.

2. What event would cause the toes of the statue to end?

The toes end when the people of Israel return to control of Jerusalem, 1967.

3. What nation is the iron of the statue representing?

Rome. The iron of the statue begins when Rome invades Israel. It is a continual time line until the end of the toes.

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If you say that we are in the time of the toes, then you must answer the question of who is the iron nation that is dominating the people of Israel right now? Who was it 500 years ago? 300 years ago?

Since the answer can only be Rome, in one form another, then the beast nation can only be Rome and the Antichrist can only be Caesar and the Bishop of Rome.

But the domination of Rome over the people of Israel ended in 1967 when Jerusalem was restored to the control of Israel, the final act of restoration.

Perhaps you have been thinking that the Antichrist/beast is only future, but he has been here for 2000 years, dominating and persecuting the people of Israel. 

Since the Dan. 2 timeline is continual from the invasion of Rome, it must be true that the beast is Rome and can only be Rome.

 

On 4/19/2021 at 12:19 PM, iamlamad said:

 

 

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58 minutes ago, abcdef said:

No, I am saying that the time of the toes is over. The toes have ended in 1967 and now we are in the time between the toes ending and the stone striking.

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1. Look closely at the statue of Dan. 2. What event causes the statue to begin?

The statue begins when the people of Israel are taken captive from Jerusalem to Babylon.

2. What event would cause the toes of the statue to end?

The toes end when the people of Israel return to control of Jerusalem, 1967.

3. What nation is the iron of the statue representing?

Rome. The iron of the statue begins when Rome invades Israel. It is a continual time line until the end of the toes.

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If you say that we are in the time of the toes, then you must answer the question of who is the iron nation that is dominating the people of Israel right now? Who was it 500 years ago? 300 years ago?

Since the answer can only be Rome, in one form another, then the beast nation can only be Rome and the Antichrist can only be Caesar and the Bishop of Rome.

But the domination of Rome over the people of Israel ended in 1967 when Jerusalem was restored to the control of Israel, the final act of restoration.

Perhaps you have been thinking that the Antichrist/beast is only future, but he has been here for 2000 years, dominating and persecuting the people of Israel. 

Since the Dan. 2 timeline is continual from the invasion of Rome, it must be true that the beast is Rome and can only be Rome.

No, I am saying that the time of the toes is over. The toes have ended in 1967 and now we are in the time between the toes ending and the stone striking.

 

34...a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.

³⁵ Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together,

I think the entire feet must be in existence when the stone hits. 

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On 4/19/2021 at 12:19 PM, iamlamad said:

We are in the time after the 6th trumpet and just before the 7th trumpet  Totally ridiculous: no trumpet judgment has been sounded.

Six trumpets have sounded and the 7th is only a short time away.

1-4 trumpets, 70 AD- 1967, The people of Israel, not the planet.

5th trumpet, 1929, Vatican, the beast Caesar/Bishop of Rome/Antichrist returns to sit on the seat of power in Rome. The exact same spot as 2000 years ago. The false prophets attack the people of Israel and drive them back to Israel to restore Jerusalem.

6th trumpet, 9/11/2001, The event causes the power of the people of the Euphrates region to "dry up", Iraq. The power of Iraq kept Iran who are the kings of the east, from surrounding and attacking Jerusalem.

The seventh trumpet happens after the 200 mill army takes Jerusalem. (Soon)

 

On 4/19/2021 at 12:19 PM, iamlamad said:

They come with God's wrath and God's wrath for judgment has not yet started.

God's wrath is the withdrawing of blessings over the people of Israel, protection.

It began when Israel rejected the new Pentecost kingdom and Jesus in 37 AD and the gentiles were allowed in.

It continues until Jerusalem is restored.

It begins with the 4 horsemen and continues to the end of the trumpets.

The seals/trumpets are showing the broken relationship between God and the unbelieving broken flesh branches of Israel.

 

On 4/19/2021 at 12:19 PM, iamlamad said:

Before any trumpet can sound, the 7th seal must be opened.

The 7th seal and all the seals, were opened by Jesus with John present in the 85-96 AD ish time period.

If the 7th seal must be broken, in order to see what the scroll says, then, if we can now read it, it must be broken open, and has been since 96 AD when the letters were sent.

If the seals are not all now broken, we would not be able to know what the scroll says, but we do, so they must be broken and open. 

The scroll is the story of the 2 witnesses.

 

On 4/19/2021 at 12:19 PM, iamlamad said:

It cannot be opened until the 6th seal start of the Day of the Lord is opened. There has been NO worldwide earthquake, followed by a total eclipse of the sun and of the moon (The sun turning dark and the moon into blood).  

The 6th seal is indeed the day of the Lord, but, it is the 67-70 AD day of the Lord against Jerusalem and is not future. 

The images used to describe the event are the same as others describing the fall of Babylon, Egypt, and others.

The excuse that, "It hasn't happened yet", falls apart when the images are compared to events that all have already happened several times in the past and are known not to be "planet wide" but local.

 

On 4/19/2021 at 12:19 PM, iamlamad said:

We ARE in the days of the 5th seal: the martyrs of the church age. We ARE in the church age: seals 1 through 4 continuing.

The martyrs are from the 1st resurrection with Jesus. They would be John the Baptist (beheaded) and others who were killed before and during the Roman tribulation period that began in 63 BC.

They are not members of the new covenant Pentecost kingdom period who are raised at the resurrection when Jesus comes for the kingdom.

 

On 4/19/2021 at 12:19 PM, iamlamad said:

 

 

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21 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

No, I am saying that the time of the toes is over. The toes have ended in 1967 and now we are in the time between the toes ending and the stone striking.

 

34...a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.

³⁵ Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together,

I think the entire feet must be in existence when the stone hits. 

Well, it seems that the entire statue is in some state of existence when the stone hits.

The statue is a timeline of gentile nations who rule over the people of Israel, beginning in Babylon and ending when Jerusalem is restored.

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The iron Roman nation does not end when the toes end, only the domination over the people of Israel and Jerusalem ends. Just as the other nations/people of the statue did not end, only their domination over Israel ends.

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The stone strikes the statue on the feet of the time line. The timeline of the 10 toes has already passed after the time of the feet, v 34.

So the statue shows the stone striking the enemies of Israel gentile nations. 

The stone strikes the statue after the toes end, but it strikes feet of the gentile nations which cause the whole statue to dissolve into individual souls. Some are wheat in the kingdom and some souls are chaff and blow away.

The stone strikes at the resur/rapt when Jesus comes for the kingdom. The stone is not the beginning of the gospel Pentecost kingdom of Israel, that happened just after the iron of the statue began in 63 BC, it is the end of the kingdom on this earth, followed by the new earth and eternity.

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On 4/19/2021 at 12:19 PM, iamlamad said:

We are in the time just after the 6th vial and before the 7th vial  This is even worse that your previous statement!  More than rediculous.

It might seem that way at first.

 

On 4/19/2021 at 12:19 PM, iamlamad said:

NO VIAL can be poured out until the days of GT arrive and are in full swing.

The time of trouble is the same time period as the Roman iron nation in the statue of Dan. 2.

The time of trouble/tribulation that Jesus talked about was centered on the time after Israel rejected the gospel Pentecost kingdom and Jesus. Beginning in 37 AD, the time leading up to the siege and fall of Jerusalem, and the time after the fall until Jerusalem is restored is shown.

The trib is not a literal 7 years, the second 3 1/2 times is from 70 AD until 1967. The 3 1/2 times is a symbolic image, of that time period.

The 7 times are the same time period as the Dan. 2 statue.

 

On 4/19/2021 at 12:19 PM, iamlamad said:

The days of GT CANNOT COME until the Beast and False Prophet arrive. They are no where to be seen,

The beast iron nation has been here for 2000 years.

The Antichrist is Caesar who destroyed the temple and Jerusalem, and chased the faithful woman Israel into the wilderness of the gentile nations, Rev 12.

He was revealed as the iron nation in Dan. 2, and the 4th beast nation in Dan. 7.

He was revealed as the Antichrist iron beast at the 70 AD destruction of Jerusalem and is destroyed by the brightness of the coming of Jesus. But it is not the Roman Empire Caesar that is destroyed, but the Roman Empire transformed image, the Bishop of Rome and the Vatican that is destroyed when Jesus comes for the kingdom, when the stone strikes.

The artificial gap that has been used to skip over this period of 70 AD until the present in the prophetic timeline hides the Antichrist.

He is here and been here for 2000 years, but you have been taught to ignore Rome in this time period..

 

On 4/19/2021 at 12:19 PM, iamlamad said:

because they cannot come until all 7 trumpet judgments have sounded.  Not one trumpet has sounded. 

The 7 vials run at the same time as the 7 trumpets, 70 AD until Jesus comes for the kingdom and the stone strikes.

The trumpets are about the flesh unbelieving broken branches and the vials are about the Roman beast iron nation.

 Look how the first 4 events are similar, both effect the 4 parts of creation.

Then the 5th event of concerning the abyss and the seat of the beast.

The sixth event and the armies crossing the Euphrates River towards restored Jerusalem.

The seventh event where Jesus comes for the kingdom and the stone strikes.

They are the same time period and timeline from different perspectives and subjects.

 

On 4/19/2021 at 12:19 PM, iamlamad said:

We are still in the church age.

True, but think of it as the kingdom age. The word church is an attempt to separate Israel from the gentile side of the kingdom by the RCC, Jew haters.

Some may think that the "church" is only the gentile side of the kingdom. 

Most people, when you say "church", they think of the RCC and not Israel.

That is because the RCC Antichrist has claimed to be the true Israel.

But now there is a true Israel in Jerusalem and not Rome.

So this is why the Roman Antichrist beast false prophet must, has already, deceived the kings of the east into destroying the true Israel and Jerusalem.

Because there cannot be 2 true Israels, one in Rome and one in Jerusalem.

When Jesus comes for the kingdom, He is coming for Israel. The idea that Jesus comes for the "kingdom of Israel" but leaves Israel behind, is, contradictory. That is, He does not just come for the gentiles, we are adopted, the primary group is Israel, the kingdom of Israel.

If you are not part of the gospel Pentecost kingdom when Jesus comes to take us home, there will not be any second chances.

 

On 4/19/2021 at 12:19 PM, iamlamad said:

All trumpets and vials will come in the FUTURE Day of the Lord - which day will not come until the pretrib rapture TRIGGERS it.

Show me the scripture showing a pretrib resur/rapt in the Rev sometime before the 7th trumpet.

Rev 4:1-2, doesn't show a resurrection, only John is taken through the door.