Tongues?

[Buddy D. Mouse]

The cesspool of cessationism is fortunately pretty small

[enoob57]

You are exactly right about being before The Lord as we all will be weighed against what He has said not what we think it said ...

John 12:48-50

48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.
KJV
 

and clearly The Lord says

1 Cor 13:8

8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
KJV

 

[Waggles]

21 hours ago, enoob57 said:

God says no where in Scripture that His Word plus anything else.

Quite incorrect and untrue ... 

But when the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness about me.  John 15:26

When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. 
He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you. John 16: 13-14

these things God has revealed to us through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God. 
For who knows a person's thoughts except the spirit of that person, which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 

1Corinthians 2:

and then there are also in 1Corinthians 12 the gifts of the Holy Spirit given out to the saints in a Spirit-filled church such as knowledge, wisdom and the discerning of spirits, but to name three; along with healing and working of miracles ... 

the Holy Spirit not only teaches and upholds the word of God but also offers a big plus on walking in the Spirit as a true worshipper.

Edited January 28, 2021 by Waggles
italics needed

[Paul James]

17 hours ago, Episcopius said:

The cesspool of cessationism is fortunately pretty small

Overnight during a period of insomnia, I had a conversation with the Lord concerning Cessationism.   It is interesting the response I received.

The Holy Spirit told me directly that when I pray in tongues I am praying directly to God and that I am speaking mysteries in the Spirit.  Also, when I am praising the Lord in tongues I am giving thanks well.   Paul, when he was baptised with the Spirit as the result of Ananias' prayer, he spoke in tongues because his baptism with the Spirit followed the same pattern as the Day of Pentecost, and Cornelius' household.   The Holy Spirit also told me that Paul prayed in tongues more than all the Corinthians put together because it was a principal part of his personal prayer life.

The Holy Spirit also said something very interesting.  He said that when someone is baptised with the Spirit, they will speak in tongues and prophesy as the Spirit gives them utterance.   A person who does not speak in tongues or prophesy, cannot show any evidence that they are genuinely baptised with the Spirit, and those who say they are without showing such evidence are pretending that they are filled with the Spirit when they are nothing of the sort.   This means that these people are doing everything in the flesh and not walking in the Spirit, because only Spirit-filled believers who have been baptised with the Spirit are able to walk in the Spirit.  Those who are not baptised with the Spirit can only walk in the flesh.   This is why the churches that ignore the baptism with the Spirit and His gifts are content with their man-designed programmed services with three hymns and a sermon.  Usually the sermons are of the flesh, even though they may be Biblically accurate.  Without the preacher having been baptised with the Spirit, the voice of the Holy Spirit does not speak through his preaching.  This is because he is not endued with the power from on high that enables his preaching to occur in the power of the Holy Spirit.  This is why the listeners get their ears tickled and remark on the well-constructed sermon from an accomplished speaker, but their hearts are not affected, because they are getting the dead letter in an academic manner instead of being fed with the words of eternal life through the Spirit.

This is why in many churches the people go home full of tea and biscuits instead of the Spirit.

It is chilling and tragic that multitudes of professing Christians who are unbelieving concerning the Holy Spirit and His gifts, are actually not right with God, because their unbelief is grieving and quenching the Spirit, making the following Scripture very true in their case:

"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death" (Revelation 2:8).

The scary part of this is that unbelieving church members are seen as equal to abominable, murderers, whoremongers, sorcerers, idolaters and liars!  Cessationism is an insult to the Holy Spirit, and robs godly people of the power and blessing of being filled with the Spirit, and robs the body of Christ of the upbuilding and strengthening that the operation of the gifts brings to it.

So, these are the things the Holy Spirit has said to me, and who is there to prove Him wrong?

Edited January 28, 2021 by Paul James

[enoob57]

37 minutes ago, Waggles said:

Quite incorrect and untrue ... 

But when the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness about me.  John 15:26

When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. 
He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you. John 16: 13-14

these things God has revealed to us through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches everything, even the depths of God. 
For who knows a person's thoughts except the spirit of that person, which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 

1Corinthians 2:

and then there are also in 1Corinthians 12 the gifts of the Holy Spirit given out to the saints in a Spirit-filled church such as knowledge, wisdom and the discerning of spirits, but to name three; along with healing and working of miracles ... 

the Holy Spirit not only teaches and upholds the word of God but also offers a big plus on walking in the Spirit as a true worshipper.

All Speaking of the NT that would be written... the gifts of the Spirit are a natural outcome of new birth and it is a result of the Living Word within tied directly and substantiated by The Written Word:
 

2 Tim 3:15-17

15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
KJV
specifically stated as thoroughly furnished to completion ...

[Paul James]

This is what the Holy Spirit says to Cessationists:

"You stiff-necked people, uncircumcised in heart and ears, you always resist the Holy Spirit. As your fathers did, so do you" (Acts 7:51).

[Duck]

34 minutes ago, Paul James said:

Paul, when he was baptised with the Spirit as the result of Ananias' prayer, he spoke in tongues because his baptism with the Spirit

Acts 9:17-19 doesn’t mention Paul speaking in tongues.

[Paul James]

1 minute ago, Duck said:

Acts 9:17-19 doesn’t mention Paul speaking in tongues.

The Holy Spirit told me directly that he did speak in tongues.  This is because he was baptised with the Spirit in the same way as the others did on the day of Pentecost.  Therefore he spoke in tongues as the Spirit gave him utterance, and he continued praying in tongues until the day he died.

[Duck]

Just now, Paul James said:

The Holy Spirit told me directly that he did speak in tongues.  This is because he was baptised with the Spirit in the same way as the others did on the day of Pentecost.  Therefore he spoke in tongues as the Spirit gave him utterance, and he continued praying in tongues until the day he died.

Aah well I believe the apostles spoke other languages, as listed in acts.

[Duck]

Just now, Duck said:

Aah well I believe the apostles spoke other languages, as listed in acts.

I believe that Paul spoke in tongues, but it’s not mentioned in the passage on his baptism.