Woman of revelation 12?

[Excalibur]

50 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

 

For what it is worth.... here is a cut / paste of a narrative that might represent God's  introduction to chapter 12 found within my commentary on Revelation. 

 

 

To my Beloved Church,

The Woman, the Dragon, and the Cosmic Conflict

Chapter 12 of Revelation unveils a majestic and cosmic drama, rich in symbolism and profound in its message of My sovereignty, love, and redemptive plan. Here, I reveal the ongoing spiritual battle between good and evil, the victory of My Son, and the protection and preservation of My people. This chapter speaks directly to My unwavering commitment to bring salvation and to defeat the forces that seek to destroy.

The woman represents My faithful people, Israel, from whom the Messiah would come. She is adorned with the sun, moon, and stars, symbolizing My covenant promises fulfilled through her. Her labor and pain in childbirth reflect the anticipation and struggle that accompanied the arrival of the Savior into the world. The dragon, with its seven heads and ten horns, symbolizes Satan’s power, rebellion, and authority over earthly kingdoms. He seeks to devour the child born of the woman, representing his relentless efforts to thwart My plan of salvation. Yet, My power ensures the child’s victory. The male child represents My Son, Jesus Christ, who is destined to rule all nations with a rod of iron. His ascension to My throne signifies His triumph over sin, death, and Satan, affirming that My plans cannot be thwarted.

The great battle between Michael and his angels against the dragon and his forces reveals the cosmic dimension of the struggle against evil. Satan’s defeat and expulsion from heaven underscore My sovereignty and the certainty of his ultimate defeat. Unable to prevail in heaven, the dragon turns his fury toward the woman and her offspring. Yet, I protect the woman, who is given wings to flee to a place of safety in the wilderness. This reflects My continual provision and preservation of My faithful people, even amidst persecution.

Revelation 12:16-17 reveals the relentless efforts of the serpent (Satan) to destroy the woman (Israel) and her offspring, but also highlights My

sovereign protection and ultimate plan for redemption. The earth comes to the aid of the woman by swallowing the river the serpent poured out, symbolizing Satan’s attempts to overwhelm her through deception, persecution, and spiritual corruption. If the earth represents the Gentile nations, this intervention reflects My use of the Gentile world to safeguard Israel, even after her rejection of the Messiah and her period of dispersion. The scattering of the Jews among the nations over the next 2,000 years ensured their survival and preserved their identity, shielding them from annihilation and the full influence of the corrupted Christian doctrines that emerged within the Gentile-dominated church.

During this time, Israel remained faithful to the one true God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, rooted in the Word of God found in the Old Testament. This preservation laid the foundation for their future spiritual awakening: when the time of the Gentiles is complete, their blindness will be removed, and they will receive the testimony of Jesus, just as Paul did. At that point, Israel will be ready to fulfill her role in proclaiming the true Gospel to the world. The offspring of the woman represent all who keep My commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus. They are targeted by the dragon, yet they remain under My care and protection. Their endurance serves as a testimony to My faithfulness and their trust in My promises.

This chapter invites you to see the larger picture of the spiritual battle in which you are engaged. The cosmic struggle between good and evil is not one of equals; I am sovereign, and the outcome is assured. Satan’s fury is evidence of his defeat, and My provision for the woman and her offspring demonstrates My power to protect and preserve My people. You are called to stand firm, holding fast to My commandments and the testimony of My Son. Remember that you are part of a greater story—one in which victory is already won through the Lamb. Take courage in knowing that no matter how fierce the opposition My plans will prevail, and I am with you always.

Do you have a link to your commentary?

[Charlie744]

3 hours ago, Excalibur said:

Do you have a link to your commentary?

No, I am sorry. I have recently received the first proof copy to review. 
 

If you would like me to cu / paste some of the discussions or narratives within the commentary where you might want to get a different interpretation, I would be glad to respond and perhaps we might discuss each other’s views. 
 

I can assure you that my interpretations in Daniel and Revelation will significantly depart from any of “today’s accepted interpretations.” 
 

As you know, there maybe at least one major interpretation (futurist, preterist, historicist, etc.) for perhaps each of the major prophetic verses in either of the two books and thus there is no consensus among the scholars, academics or theologians. But there is no shortage of opinions. 
 

Let me know if you would like to discuss anything.. both might learn something from each other. Best wishes. 

[Spiros]

The astronomy picture for the date of September 15, 33 AD is here:

 

https://i.postimg.cc/qqmMyzYt/Revelation-33.jpg

 

[other one]

[Spiros]

Since the King planet, Jupiter was brought up. 

 

King in Hellenic is vasileus(ΒΑΣΙΛΕΥΣ). In modem Hellenic it is vasilias(ΒΑΣΙΛΙΑΣ).

 

ΒΑΣΙΛΕΥΣ = 2+1+200+10+30+5+400+200 = 848

 

Jupiter - Earth distance on September 15 33 AD = 848,000,000,000 meters

 

In the previous astronomy photo I posted, the planet Jupiter can be seen in the constellation of Cancer.  

 

 

[Spiros]

Jupiter is the largest planet in our solar system. The second largest is Saturn. We therefore notice this coincidence. In Hellenic Christ is written ΧΡΙΣΤΟΣ(Christos). 

 

ΧΡΙΣΤΟΣ = 600 + 100 + 10 + 200 + 300 + 70 + 200 = 1480

 

Saturn - Earth distance on September 16, 33 AD = 1,480,000,000,000 meters

 

 September 16, 33 AD was the day that Venus aligned with Uranus, lighting up the garland of 12 stars on the head of the woman(Virgo). 

[Excalibur]

On 6/14/2025 at 6:10 PM, Charlie744 said:

No, I am sorry. I have recently received the first proof copy to review. 
 

If you would like me to cu / paste some of the discussions or narratives within the commentary where you might want to get a different interpretation, I would be glad to respond and perhaps we might discuss each other’s views. 
 

I can assure you that my interpretations in Daniel and Revelation will significantly depart from any of “today’s accepted interpretations.” 
 

As you know, there maybe at least one major interpretation (futurist, preterist, historicist, etc.) for perhaps each of the major prophetic verses in either of the two books and thus there is no consensus among the scholars, academics or theologians. But there is no shortage of opinions. 
 

Let me know if you would like to discuss anything.. both might learn something from each other. Best wishes. 

Could you send me a digital copy via email?

[Charlie744]

1 hour ago, Excalibur said:

Could you send me a digital copy via email?

I am sorry but that would not be wise as I intend to review the proof copy, finalize it and then offer it for purchase on Amazon. Hope you understand. However, this should be completed in a relatively short time and if you would like, I will let you know when it is available and I will send you an authors copy (no cost to you) if you are willing to give me a mailing address or PO Box address, etc. Thank you. 

[Bill Barton]

IMO: The "woman" who bore the child (Jesus), in the context of Revelation 12:13-17, is the Christian Jewish people. They will flee persecution to the "place" of Petra (Revelation 12:6,14). When evil forces realize they cannot engage these Jews that fled, they will turn on others (gentiles) who also bear the testimony of Jesus. After this the beast ("anti Christ"), a leader who had received a fatal wound and yet survived (Revelation 13:1-4), will step up the persecution, knowing from the Bible that his time in power is coming to an end (Revelation 17:12, "one hour"="short time"). He is insane, since he knows he cannot prevail, but hatred clouds his mind.

Edited June 21 by Bill Barton

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On 8/12/2020 at 10:58 PM, Markesmith said:

The woman is Mary!

Rev 12 is gen 3 writ large, the woman of gen 3:15 she has enmity with the dragon!

The man child is Christ! Who rules the nations!

Her offspring or children are Christians not Jews!

 

^{rev 12:17} And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Not Israel! Jews do not have the testimony of Jesus!

I believe this speaks to an inward truth in relationship to our soul, and the son we are (birthed through the perception of our soul), just as the whore and the virgin city (which can be seen in the two Enochs) Cain building a city (made with hands) and naming it after his son or Enoch who became it ...