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[JohnR7]

On 8/20/2020 at 5:07 PM, DeighAnn said:

The Beast receives a deadly wound in one of its heads, the deadly wound is healed

Is this what we read about in Gensis 3:15? "And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel."

[JohnR7]

On 8/20/2020 at 5:07 PM, DeighAnn said:

O WHERE ARE WE AND WHAT DO WE KNOW RIGHT NOW?   

We are waiting for the last person to enter into the church so that the church age can come to an end. Then the Kingdom age will begin and we will see the Manifest Sons (Daughters) of God. 

[DeighAnn]

1 hour ago, JohnR7 said:

Is this what we read about in Gensis 3:15? "And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel."

No, this is the beginning of of the counting of the number.

This is how we know  WHO the son of perdition is.  

Edited September 24, 2020 by DeighAnn
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[DeighAnn]

45 minutes ago, JohnR7 said:

We are waiting for the last person to enter into the church so that the church age can come to an end. Then the Kingdom age will begin and we will see the Manifest Sons (Daughters) of God. 

I don't personally believe that the body of Christ/Church has an ending.  I would agree that the age of GRACE is coming to an end with the day of vengeance, but what is really written by God?  


Romans 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in His goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

Romans 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.

Romans 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?

Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits;


THAT BLINDNESS in part is happened to Israel, 

until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

(Is that "in part" for a portion of Israel or is it for PART of their blindness continuing is to offer salvation to the nations? 

I think Israel was already being punished for not obeying God and part of the reason for the length of it was for the nations to offer salvation.
 

Romans 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
 

Romans 11:27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.


I see no "ending" of anything except  the "blindness" of Israel, coming off and the age of grace coming to an end.  

AND SO ALL ISRAEL SHALL be saved.  


Seriously the only prophecy I have found is  the 7  X   360 in Lev 26 and that ended in 48 when  he land came back into possession.  Besides that I know of nothing.  

What does it GO on to say ABOUT that blindness and unbelief?

Romans 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.

Romans 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

Romans 11:30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:

Romans 11:31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.

Romans 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.

 

So ALL have been in unbelief, 

that he might have mercy upon all.


Where the body of Christ/Church ENDS here is beyond me.


OR HERE

 

Revelation 7:1 And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

Revelation 7:2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,

Revelation 7:3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

oN earth, sealing being done.

 

Revelation 7:8 Of the tribe of Zabulon were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin were sealed twelve thousand.

Revelation 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

Revelation 7:10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.

Revelation 7:11 And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God,

 

Revelation 7:12 Saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen.

Revelation 7:13 And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they?

Revelation 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Revelation 7:15 Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.


We know that tribulation ends with the return of Christ, Satan bound, so all this is happening on earth, the Tribulation ended. 

[JohnR7]

1 hour ago, DeighAnn said:

I don't personally believe that the body of Christ/Church has an ending.

I thought the church becomes the Bride of Christ. In the parable 5 virgins are taken and five are left behind because they do not have oil for their lamp.  Even with a new Heaven and a new Earth we do continue to rule and reign with Christ as joint heirs. 

[DeighAnn]

12 hours ago, JohnR7 said:

I thought the church becomes the Bride of Christ. In the parable 5 virgins are taken and five are left behind because they do not have oil for their lamp.  Even with a new Heaven and a new Earth we do continue to rule and reign with Christ as joint heirs. 

Here is what I believe on the Bride of Christ.


If we make up the body of Christ, and Christ is the head, then the "marriage" would seem to be these two,  eternally becoming one.  So yes, joint heirs.  

But this can't happen until the fulness of "the whole body" is come together.

The whole body can't come together until after the tribulation.  We know this for sure because of the two witnesses alone.  There is no way possible that they are not part of the body of Christ.  But even if not for them,  the body has to go through the test, just as the head did, 
so they are a perfect fit with the perfect Sacrifice made for the body.  

So it is not "a marriage" as we see "marriage", but a description of an eternal relationship, a remaining together forever, faithful, loving,and as a protecting husband takes care of the wife and  loves honors and  cherishes her, the wife submits and is lead by the husband.  And we reign with Christ and dwell with God forever. 

So it is AFTER all have been judged.  The Tribulation has ended, the Millennium has ended, the lake of fire is past.  The new heaven and earth now in play, all evil done away with, all who attend have on the wedding garment. 

Christ is Lord of lords and King of kings reigning here on earth with all the host of heaven. 

I believe this is the description of the "marriage" being spoken of to take place.  

Ephesians 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.

Ephesians 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and He is the saviour of the body.

Ephesians 5:24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

Ephesians 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave Himself for it;

Ephesians 5:26 That He might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

Ephesians 5:27 That He might present it to Himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
 

Ephesians 5:28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.

Ephesians 5:29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:

Ephesians 5:30 For we are members of His body, of His flesh, and of His bones.

Ephesians 5:31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. 

THE HEAD AND THE BODY AS ONE, AN ETERNAL MARRIAGE

Ephesians 5:32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

Ephesians 5:33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.


The virgins -  same as you I believe.  Wise overcome and endure to the end remaining faithful to God.  They have on the armor and the extra it takes to make sure they are not deceived.  

The night, the dark day, the darkness, the evil one came, (Christ tarries) the wise don't go buy and sell, the foolish do. 

Pretty real sure you got all this already,  so just for "readers" who might not.  


WHAT DO ALL THE VIRGINS HAVE in common in the parable? 

THEY are all here during the night, the TRIBULATION.  Thats why they all need a lit lamp and enough oil to get through it.  

Some make it some don't.  Christ comes when those who only "professed" to love Him have gone a whoring after Satan.  They didn't heed the do not be deceived command.
Christ comes,  and the door is shut.  

Edited September 25, 2020 by DeighAnn

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1 hour ago, DeighAnn said:

Here is what I believe on the Bride of Christ.


If we make up the body of Christ, and Christ is the head, then the "marriage" would seem to be these two,  eternally becoming one.  So yes, joint heirs.  

But this can't happen until the fulness of "the whole body" is come together.

The whole body can't come together until after the tribulation.  We know this for sure because of the two witnesses alone.  There is no way possible that they are not part of the body of Christ.  But even if not for them,  the body has to go through the test, just as the head did, 
so they are a perfect fit with the perfect Sacrifice made for the body.  

So it is not "a marriage" as we see "marriage", but a description of an eternal relationship, a remaining together forever, faithful, loving,and as a protecting husband takes care of the wife and  loves honors and  cherishes her, the wife submits and is lead by the husband.  And we reign with Christ and dwell with God forever. 

So it is AFTER all have been judged.  The Tribulation has ended, the Millennium has ended, the lake of fire is past.  The new heaven and earth now in play, all evil done away with, all who attend have on the wedding garment. 

Christ is Lord of lords and King of kings reigning here on earth with all the host of heaven. 

I believe this is the description of the "marriage" being spoken of to take place.  

Ephesians 5:22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.

Ephesians 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and He is the saviour of the body.

Ephesians 5:24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

Ephesians 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave Himself for it;

Ephesians 5:26 That He might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

Ephesians 5:27 That He might present it to Himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
 

Ephesians 5:28 So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself.

Ephesians 5:29 For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church:

Ephesians 5:30 For we are members of His body, of His flesh, and of His bones.

Ephesians 5:31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. 

THE HEAD AND THE BODY AS ONE, AN ETERNAL MARRIAGE

Ephesians 5:32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

Ephesians 5:33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.


The virgins -  same as you I believe.  Wise overcome and endure to the end remaining faithful to God.  They have on the armor and the extra it takes to make sure they are not deceived.  

The night, the dark day, the darkness, the evil one came, (Christ tarries) the wise don't go buy and sell, the foolish do. 

Pretty real sure you got all this already,  so just for "readers" who might not.  


WHAT DO ALL THE VIRGINS HAVE in common in the parable? 

THEY are all here during the night, the TRIBULATION.  Thats why they all need a lit lamp and enough oil to get through it.  

Some make it some don't.  Christ comes when those who only "professed" to love Him have gone a whoring after Satan.  They didn't heed the do not be deceived command.
Christ comes,  and the door is shut.  

Nice post.

I can agree with almost, ha, ha, everything.

Stand your ground. You got it.

But.... this planet does not last forever.

1 John 2:16-17, This world is passing away. (Praise Him! Thank you Lord Jesus!)

The place that we will inherit, after this world passes, is with the eternal loving Spirit of God, far away from this material world. It flies away at the judgment throne, Rev 20.

Also check out Gen 8:22.

 

[DeighAnn]

3 hours ago, abcdef said:

Nice post.

I can agree with almost, ha, ha, everything.

Stand your ground. You got it.

But.... this planet does not last forever.

1 John 2:16-17, This world is passing away. (Praise Him! Thank you Lord Jesus!)

The place that we will inherit, after this world passes, is with the eternal loving Spirit of God, far away from this material world. It flies away at the judgment throne, Rev 20.

Also check out Gen 8:22.

 

This beautiful living planet even in the destroyed state it is in, is magnificent.  Oh, how I pray it is not just cast away.  For her to have gone through all this terrible treatment from man and then to be cast away like she did anything wrong?  It would break my heart.  Am I just seeing what I wish to be true?  I really hope not, but Gods Will be done.  

But here is where my beliefs that the elements will melt and she will be cleansed come from.

Genesis 9:8 And God spake unto Noah, and to his sons with him, saying,

Genesis 9:9 And I, behold, I establish my covenant with you, and with your seed after you;

Genesis 9:10 And with every living creature that is with you, of the fowl, of the cattle, and of every beast of the earth with you; from all that go out of the ark, to every beast of the earth.

Genesis 9:11 And I will establish my covenant with you, neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth.

Genesis 9:12 And God said, This is the token of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations:

Genesis 9:13 I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth.

Genesis 9:14 And it shall come to pass, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the bow shall be seen in the cloud:

Genesis 9:15 And I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh.

Genesis 9:16 And the bow shall be in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that I may remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is upon the earth.

How can God make an everlasting covenant and then ?



Romans 8:18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.

Romans 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

Romans 8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,

Romans 8:21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

Romans 8:22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.


 

I am hoping here that it is the "affairs, inhabitants, and decor"  and not the planet itself. 

John 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

John 2:17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

2889 kosmos, 
the world, universe: worldly affairs, the inhabitants of the world, adornment

something ordered
 

Just as here 

Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

will pass away
3928. parerchomai
 

b. metaphorically, α. to pass away, perish: ὡς ἄνθος, James 1:10 ὁ οὐρανός, Matthew 5:18; Matthew 24:35; Mark 13:31; Luke 16:17; Luke 21:33; 2 Peter 3:10; Revelation 21:1



It really breaks my heart to think of such a thing. 


Please understand,  I do see what you are saying, 
but I will still hope it is just one age ending and another one beginning

 

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15 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

This beautiful living planet even in the destroyed state it is in, is magnificent.  Oh, how I pray it is not just cast away.  For her to have gone through all this terrible treatment from man and then to be cast away like she did anything wrong?  It would break my heart.  Am I just seeing what I wish to be true?  I really hope not, but Gods Will be done.  

When God created the planet and universe, He did say that is was good.

It is beautiful.

But then if you think about all the suffering and death, that is part of this world, there are many that would rather die than live in a world full of pain.

I don't believe that the world is quite so beautiful to starving, hopeless, souls without love. 

 

15 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

But here is where my beliefs that the elements will melt and she will be cleansed come from.

Genesis 9:8 And God spake unto Noah, and to his sons with him, saying,

Genesis 9:9 And I, behold, I establish my covenant with you, and with your seed after you;

Genesis 9:10 And with every living creature that is with you, of the fowl, of the cattle, and of every beast of the earth with you; from all that go out of the ark, to every beast of the earth.

Genesis 9:11 And I will establish my covenant with you, neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth.

Genesis 9:12 And God said, This is the token of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations:

Genesis 9:13 I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth.

Genesis 9:14 And it shall come to pass, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the bow shall be seen in the cloud:

Genesis 9:15 And I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh.

Genesis 9:16 And the bow shall be in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that I may remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is upon the earth.

How can God make an everlasting covenant and then ?

The covenant was not to destroy the "earth" by water. v 11.

The present earth is reserved for fire, 2 Pet 3:7.

 

15 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

Romans 8:18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.

This shows that what will be revealed in us will be so much greater than what we have now.

 

15 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

Romans 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

Romans 8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,

Romans 8:21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

Romans 8:22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.

This seems to imply that the whole object of creation is the revealing of the saints to the glory of God.

After that happens, the reason for the material creation would cease to exist. 

 

15 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

I am hoping here that it is the "affairs, inhabitants, and decor"  and not the planet itself. 

John 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

John 2:17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

2889 kosmos, 
the world, universe: worldly affairs, the inhabitants of the world, adornment

something ordered
 

Just as here 

Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

will pass away
3928. parerchomai
 

b. metaphorically, α. to pass away, perish: ὡς ἄνθος, James 1:10 ὁ οὐρανός, Matthew 5:18; Matthew 24:35; Mark 13:31; Luke 16:17; Luke 21:33; 2 Peter 3:10; Revelation 21:1

 

15 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

It really breaks my heart to think of such a thing.

Don't love the material things of this world, they cannot return your love.

But the spirits (animals), human souls and Jesus will.

Love them with all your heart, even though you may be disappointed and hurt.

Remember that is what Jesus does.

He said, "Father forgive them for they know not what they do."

We must have the same heart and mind.

 

15 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

 Please understand,  I do see what you are saying, 
but I will still hope it is just one age ending and another one beginning

Let me express it like this,

Once we pass, and see the face of Jesus,

When we are immersed in the presence of pure love,

When we stand in His glory,

We will understand,

How much greater He is,

How much greater His throne is,

Than this material universe and planet. 

Then we will see things as they really are.

We will gaze in eternal amazement and eternal wonder,

At His loving presence.

This place will be forgotten, with it's pain and suffering.

Forgotten.

Forgotten.

 

 

 

[DeighAnn]

53 minutes ago, abcdef said:

When God created the planet and universe, He did say that is was good.

It is beautiful.

But then if you think about all the suffering and death, that is part of this world, there are many that would rather die than live in a world full of pain.

I don't believe that the world is quite so beautiful to starving, hopeless, souls without love. 

 

The covenant was not to destroy the "earth" by water. v 11.

The present earth is reserved for fire, 2 Pet 3:7.

 

This shows that what will be revealed in us will be so much greater than what we have now.

 

This seems to imply that the whole object of creation is the revealing of the saints to the glory of God.

After that happens, the reason for the material creation would cease to exist. 

 

 

Don't love the material things of this world, they cannot return your love.

But the spirits (animals), human souls and Jesus will.

Love them with all your heart, even though you may be disappointed and hurt.

Remember that is what Jesus does.

He said, "Father forgive them for they know not what they do."

We must have the same heart and mind.

 

Let me express it like this,

Once we pass, and see the face of Jesus,

When we are immersed in the presence of pure love,

When we stand in His glory,

We will understand,

How much greater He is,

How much greater His throne is,

Than this material universe and planet. 

Then we will see things as they really are.

We will gaze in eternal amazement and eternal wonder,

At His loving presence.

This place will be forgotten, with it's pain and suffering.

Forgotten.

Forgotten.

 

 

 

It's official.  We see it coming to a different conclusion.  Here are a few scriptures that brought me to where I am today and why I see all the evil of the planet being consumed by fire, not the planet as this earth has never done anything but support all God has put upon it.  She has already paid, how could she not receive the blessings of God. She is living and breathing and hurting.  Also, we are told we will have no remembrance this age and that there is nothing new under the sun.    

But it does in the end change what we teach,  one of us is missing the mark.  I am ready for God to ask me why, and I will say I went as deep into the Word as I could, took all I had learned from Him and of Him and with those things came to the conclusion that He loves his creation and He doesn't need brand new to forget, and knows how to make perfect again that what was marred.    

So, when I read Job and He is laying out how this planet was created, I can feel HIS love of and for it.  When I look out my window,  I can SEE the love put into it and I give thanks almost every single day for this beautiful world He created for us.  A lot like verse 7.
 

Job 38:1 Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,

Job 38:2 Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?

Job 38:3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.

Job 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

Job 38:5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

Job 38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Job 38:8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb?

Job 38:9 When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,

Job 38:10 And brake up for it my decreed place, and set bars and doors,

Job 38:11 And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?

Job 38:12 Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place;

Job 38:13 That it might take hold of the ends of the earth, that the wicked might be shaken out of it?

Job 38:14 It is turned as clay to the seal; and they stand as a garment.

Job 38:15 And from the wicked their light is withholden, and the high arm shall be broken.

Job 38:16 Hast thou entered into the springs of the sea? or hast thou walked in the search of the depth?

Job 38:17 Have the gates of death been opened unto thee? or hast thou seen the doors of the shadow of death?

Job 38:18 Hast thou perceived the breadth of the earth? declare if thou knowest it all.

Job 38:19 Where is the way where light dwelleth? and as for darkness, where is the place thereof,

Job 38:20 That thou shouldest take it to the bound thereof, and that thou shouldest know the paths to the house thereof?

Job 38:21 Knowest thou it, because thou wast then born? or because the number of thy days is great?

Job 38:22 Hast thou entered into the treasures of the snow? or hast thou seen the treasures of the hail,

Job 38:23 Which I have reserved against the time of trouble, against the day of battle and war?

Job 38:24 By what way is the light parted, which scattereth the east wind upon the earth?

Job 38:25 Who hath divided a watercourse for the overflowing of waters, or a way for the lightning of thunder;

Job 38:26 To cause it to rain on the earth, where no man is; on the wilderness, wherein there is no man;

Job 38:27 To satisfy the desolate and waste ground; and to cause the bud of the tender herb to spring forth?

Job 38:28 Hath the rain a father? or who hath begotten the drops of dew?

Job 38:29 Out of whose womb came the ice? and the hoary frost of heaven, who hath gendered it?

Job 38:30 The waters are hid as with a stone, and the face of the deep is frozen.

Job 38:31 Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion?

Job 38:32 Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons?

Job 38:33 Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? canst thou set the dominion thereof in the earth?

Job 38:34 Canst thou lift up thy voice to the clouds, that abundance of waters may cover thee?

Job 38:35 Canst thou send lightnings, that they may go and say unto thee, Here we are?

Job 38:36 Who hath put wisdom in the inward parts? or who hath given understanding to the heart?

Job 38:37 Who can number the clouds in wisdom? or who can stay the bottles of heaven,

Job 38:38 When the dust groweth into hardness, and the clods cleave fast together?

Job 38:39 Wilt thou hunt the prey for the lion? or fill the appetite of the young lions,

Job 38:40 When they couch in their dens, and abide in the covert to lie in wait?

Job 38:41 Who provideth for the raven his food? when his young ones cry unto God, they wander for lack of meat.


Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God Himself that formed the earth and made it; He hath established it, He created it not in vain, He formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.


Jeremiah 4:19 My bowels, my bowels! I am pained at my very heart; my heart maketh a noise in me; I cannot hold my peace, because thou hast heard, O my soul, the sound of the trumpet, the alarm of war.

Jeremiah 4:20 Destruction upon destruction is cried; for the whole land is spoiled: suddenly are my tents spoiled, and my curtains in a moment.

Jeremiah 4:21 How long shall I see the standard, and hear the sound of the trumpet?

Jeremiah 4:22 For My people is foolish, they have not known Me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.

Jeremiah 4:23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.

Jeremiah 4:24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.

Jeremiah 4:25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.

Jeremiah 4:26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by His fierce anger.

Jeremiah 4:27 For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.

Jeremiah 4:28 For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black; because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Genesis 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.


I am not sure why you would think I love the material things of this world.  It gave me a funny feeling when I read it.  I have to ask, why would you make such a judgment call upon me?   I absolutely don't intend to offend here but I get the feeling that you think we will all be "floating" around some intangible place.  The creation of the earth and our celestial bodies speak to a solid world, life much like this with orderly  societies but lacking all evil.