is supporting a confederate flag the same as honoring 9-11 hijackers

[Amigo42]

Do you all as Christians feel that support of the confederate flags and monuments is the same as building memorials to honor the 9-11 hijackers in the US?  It can be stated that honoring confederate generals who literally tried to destroy this country and caused the deaths of 600,000 people because of their rebellion is much worse.  

[Ozarkbound]

The confederates didn't try to destroy this country. They tried to leave this country and become their own. 

[Jayne]

You need to remember there are those of us here from the South who take offense at your words charging us with honoring a destruction of this country.

I understand that many, many, MANY people across the rest of the country who despise us here and have absolutely no understanding of who we are and really don't care, but we do NOT honor death, destruction, nor rebellion.

The South made an effort to secede to keep their own state's right for decision making.  NOT to keep abusing black people as slaves.

Slavery was and is an evil institution, but who today reveres it?

Oh, how I wish I could give a history lesson as to BOTH sides mistake's, prejudice's, and contribution to slavery.

But....who will listen.  The South - today - has been condemned as slave lovers and haters.

I don't wave the Confederate flag, but I know a few who do who do so to honor a Southern heritage - magnolia trees, shrimp gumbo, the Kentucky Derby, and more.

Just come on down here and tear down all the statues and burn all the flags you chose.  RIot and loot all you want. We can't stop you.  You've already made up your mind about us.  You've deemed us evil.

 

Edited August 24, 2020 by Jayne

[Ozarkbound]

I am from the south as well. I had ancestors who fought for both the Union and the Confederacy. Truthfully, I had never gave the statues any thought.

Recently, I have tried to look at it from the point of view of those who want the statues down. My ancestors were not slaves, how would I feel if they had been?

I think I probably would feel the way a Jew would if they lived in Germany and there were statues of Hitler, Gohring and Eichmann everywhere.

[LadyKay]

I would say that this is an issue each Christian would have to work out for themselves.  

[Jayne]

28 minutes ago, Ozarkbound said:

I am from the south as well. I had ancestors who fought for both the Union and the Confederacy. Truthfully, I had never gave the statues any thought.

Recently, I have tried to look at it from the point of view of those who want the statues down. My ancestors were not slaves, how would I feel if they had been?

I think I probably would feel the way a Jew would if they lived in Germany and there were statues of Hitler, Gohring and Eichmann everywhere.

I'm sorry.  I can't compare Jefferson Davis to Hitler.

I understand your point.  

I just don't appreciate the rest of the world treating us here like we are all sister-marrying Klansmen.

And a proper way to remove a statue that offends you is to make a legal petition to do so.  Killing people, burning buildings, defacing property, and looting isn't the way to do it.

I just get weary everyday of the way that the people of the South are described all over social media.

And if anyone MUST know why I have a bee in my bonnet is the comparison the OP made between Southern people and the people who attacked the US on 9-11.

That one has me in tears as I speak.  

Edited August 24, 2020 by Jayne

[dhchristian]

47 minutes ago, Amigo42 said:

Do you all as Christians feel that support of the confederate flags and monuments is the same as building memorials to honor the 9-11 hijackers in the US?  It can be stated that honoring confederate generals who literally tried to destroy this country and caused the deaths of 600,000 people because of their rebellion is much worse. 

I wonder if they will demand the removal of statues of Margaret Sanger, an avowed racist and the abortion clinics founded in her honor? Or how about Albert Pike, a confederate soldier and freemason? Or Charles Darwin who spoke of "favored races" and called Blacks lesser humans, and arguably led to Hitler's Aryan teachings of superior races that led to the genocide of Jews? 

[Ozarkbound]

31 minutes ago, Jayne said:

I'm sorry.  I can't compare Jefferson Davis to Hitler.

 

And a proper way to remove a statue that offends you is to make a legal petition to do so.  Killing people, burning buildings, defacing property, and looting isn't the way to do it.

 

And if anyone MUST know why I have a bee in my bonnet is the comparison the OP made between Southern people and the people who attacked the US on 9-11.

That one has me in tears as I speak.  

Jefferson Davis was trying to uphold a system that enslaved people, owned people, killed people if they chose, based on race, so to me, there is a comparison between Davis and Hitler. Hitler was just more successful.

I do agree that there are better ways to get things done than looting and burning. This is why I support Trump.

I don't see that the OP was comparing today's southern people to muslim terrorists. He was talking about memorials to people who lived in thhe 1800's. I agree that it is ludicrous to have memorials for terrorists. To a black person in 1860, slave owners were terrorists.

Edited August 24, 2020 by Ozarkbound

[Amigo42]

1 hour ago, Jayne said:

You need to remember there are those of us here from the South who take offense at your words charging us with honoring a destruction of this country.

I understand that many, many, MANY people across the rest of the country who despise us here and have absolutely no understanding of who we are and really don't care, but we do NOT honor death, destruction, nor rebellion.

The South made an effort to secede to keep their own state's right for decision making.  NOT to keep abusing black people as slaves.

Slavery was and is an evil institution, but who today reveres it?

Oh, how I wish I could give a history lesson as to BOTH sides mistake's, prejudice's, and contribution to slavery.

But....who will listen.  The South - today - has been condemned as slave lovers and haters.

I don't wave the Confederate flag, but I know a few who do who do so to honor a Southern heritage - magnolia trees, shrimp gumbo, the Kentucky Derby, and more.

Just come on down here and tear down all the statues and burn all the flags you chose.  RIot and loot all you want. We can't stop you.  You've already made up your mind about us.  You've deemed us evil.

 

I've got to say your post gave me a little chuckle.  I don't mean that in a negative way.  I don't think that democrat equates to wanting to loot and riot. lol.  In fact, I'm a conservative Christian from Georgia originally who has lived in other places too.  I will certainly not be supporting the bigot-in-chief in November.  I'll be supporting the honorable J. Biden.  

I have to disagree with you in the sense that the South made an effort to secede to keep the State's rights for decisions.  The only right they wanted was to take away rights of African slaves, and they were willing to shed their blood to uphold an evil practice.  No Christian should support the confed flag (not saying you do) if any just for the reason that it is a stumbling block to your African American brothers and sisters in Christ along with people of all races.  For most people, the confederate flag is a symbol of evil and hate, and that's just what it is.  So, even if people have innocent intentions for displaying it, that's not the point.  For a Christian, our number goal is to serve Jesus and be a witness.  A confederate flag is an automatic negative witness for the Lord.  So, Christians should certainly be the main one in the south burning those wretched flags down.   Anyway, it is good to fully understand how one's witness for Jesus can be impacted by impressions.

 

 

Edited August 24, 2020 by Amigo42

[Amigo42]

56 minutes ago, Ozarkbound said:

I am from the south as well. I had ancestors who fought for both the Union and the Confederacy. Truthfully, I had never gave the statues any thought.

Recently, I have tried to look at it from the point of view of those who want the statues down. My ancestors were not slaves, how would I feel if they had been?

I think I probably would feel the way a Jew would if they lived in Germany and there were statues of Hitler, Gohring and Eichmann everywhere.

That's very introspective and honest to try to put yourself in others' shoes.  Too many people make decisions only thinking of themselves.