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3 hours ago, JohnR7 said:

Everyone is in the book of life from the foundation of the world. There has to be a reason why their name is blotted out of the book. "The LORD replied to Moses, "Whoever has sinned against me I will blot out of my book." (Exodus 32:33) "You have rebuked the nations, You have destroyed the wicked; You have blotted out their name forever and ever." (Psalm 9:5)

About your statement in the first paragraph....There is nothing in the teachings of the disciples or Jesus to support a statement of this nature...

This is not an Apostolic teaching and I wondering about its origin...this cannot be your own...because from the way you put it, I doubt that you could argue it about it and try to give it a substance...in the totality of the work of Jesus on the Cross...

That he died for all...

You are making reference to those who are living at the present time...and we may include people after the Cross...

But how can this apply to those who had died before the Cross...not only Abraham and his seed...but how about the Gentiles...and everyone else from the beginning of the world from Abel the first one to die...what about him...

What about those to whom the Gospel was never declared?   

Do you have answers for inquiring questions as a result from your statement....

Do you need to ask Moses...

Mose will tell you...why you follow me ...follow Jesus Christ...

Listen to Jesus Christ only....

From your words in your post about Moses and the Lord God of the Jews...

I do not think so you have gotten clarity...about the Gospel...

If you are telling that you are worshiping the Lord God of the Israelites only...that you are listening to him and that you try to obey him and his representative Moses.. 

Moses said listen and follow Jesus Christ only...1

Moses used to follow the Lord God of the Israelites ONLY... but with Jesus he is listening to Jesus Christ Only...

Even if you are an Israelite ...as of today...you have to listen to Moses...

Who said to follow Jesus Christ....

The Lord God of the Jews is not going to hurt you or judge you.. 

Jesus Christ is our Lord and our Judge...give your loyalty only to him....

 

 

 


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Posted (edited)
3 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Do you need to ask Moses...

Mose will tell you...why you follow me ...follow Jesus Christ...

Listen to Jesus Christ only....

From your words in your post about Moses and the Lord God of the Jews...

I do not think so you have gotten clarity...about the Gospel...

If you are telling that you are worshiping the Lord God of the Israelites only...that you are listening to him and that you try to obey him and his representative Moses.. 

Moses said listen and follow Jesus Christ only...1

Moses used to follow the Lord God of the Israelites ONLY... but with Jesus he is listening to Jesus Christ Only...

Even if you are an Israelite ...as of today...you have to listen to Moses...

Who said to follow Jesus Christ....

The Lord God of the Jews is not going to hurt you or judge you.. 

Jesus Christ is our Lord and our Judge...give your loyalty only to him....

 

 

 

Its true as Moses n Elijah have visited n witnessed Jesus ministry on earth for their end times testimony to the world n to the unbelieving jews.

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12 hours ago, iamlamad said:

You are confusing the baptism in the Holy Spirit (for power) with the born again experience (for Salvation.) They are two different works of the Holy Spirit: Salvation (regeneration) always comes first.

Its true that Salvation must be rcvd first by accepting Jesus n repent, but see Jesus told disciples to wait in Jerusalem as John the baptist said that Jesus will baptize people with fire, so this Holy Spirit Baptism is not abt seeking spiritual power but let Jesus acknowledge Himself to believers n that we dont just study theology at church n rcvd pastor's baptism of water only.

People need to sit at the foot of Jesus n forget all their dignity n theory.

While the left time remains.

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On 8/27/2020 at 1:19 AM, R. Hartono said:

Its about the vaccine against the virus of death that infected mankind since the time of Adam and Eve.

And the only cure to heal mankind from eternal death is the Holy Spirit baptism as the antidote against the virus of death.

Almighty God has promised this vaccine to make sure of our redemption from death.

Acts 1:4 On one occasion, while he was eating with them, he gave them this command: "Do not leave Jerusalem, but wait for the gift my Father promised, which you have heard me speak about".

Ephesians 1:13 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit.

The early church absolutely believe in Jesus resurrection but see that Jesus told them to wait in Jerusalem because Holy Spirit was not yet given to the church despite of their faith in Him.

Holy Spirit baptism is the seal of salvation at the Day of our Redemption : Ephesians 4:30 You were sealed by Him for the day of redemption (rapture).

John the baptist only immerse people with ceremonial water, but he didnt have the antidote against death, as John answered them all, Luke 3:16 "I baptize you with water. But one who is more powerful than I will come, the straps of whose sandals I am not worthy to untie. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire".

Holy Spirit is bringing us the contract of engagement to our door, we need to sign it : 2 Cor 11: 2 For I am jealous over you with Godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

However many believers just say this : "Holy Spirit baptism ? No thanks we already have Jesus here"

https://www.worthychristianforums.com/topic/232084-water-baptism-and-holy-spirit-baptism-are-two-different-issues/

The foolish virgins ask the wise to give them the oil, this shows that these foolish believers hope that their RELATION and EXISTENCE in church can save them but they are left behind and yelled "Lord Loord..........".

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Jesus Christ is the Life. Anyone who believes in him is in him....

He has the forgiveness of sins and he also have of his Life...As long as he believes in him he is in him....

In Jesus Christ there is only Life in his name with the forgiveness of sins in his name...

Both at the same time...in his name...

We are under the blood of Jesus Christ...we may sin but death cannot come to us...we still remain under his blood...and his Life we are protected...

We are under his righteousness...even when we sin...we are still in his righteousness by faith...by believing that he died on the Cross for the forgiveness of our sins....

Waiting for your commentary. 

Jesus Christ had the Life and was without any sin...because he was born sinless and with the Life in him...

Those were the prerequisites for the Heaven to open and the Spirit of the Heavenly Father to be given to him....

John the Baptist gave the testimony....I am without any sin...but I do not have or I need what Jesus had the Life of God in him...Jesus that time could not give it to him...for more than one reason...

John and Jesus side by side but the Holy Spirit only landed on Jesus Christ...the only one with the Life in him and without sin..pure with no need for the purification of the water.

The Son of God this is the witness from the Heavenly Father .

They disciples had the same two prerequisites the forgiveness of sins in Jesus Christ name and the Life in them...

They were in Jesus Christ and on the Heavenly Father because they were under the banner of Jesus Christ...

They were not separated from Jesus Christ and the Father...

They were one with Jesus Christ and also with the Heavenly Father on account of Jesus Christ...

The Holy Spirit came upon Jesus to lead him in his ministry and the same thing happened to the disciples the Holy Spirit came upon them to lead them in their service to the Gospel of Jesus Christ...

With the Baptism of the Holy Spirit the disciples received Spiritual gifts...

 


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2 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

With the Baptism of the Holy Spirit the disciples received Spiritual gifts...

 

This part is omitted by many churches who calls this Holy Spirit baptism as optional further spiritual gifts.

They do not like struggle with flesh (praying and fasting) to rcv the Holy Spirit Baptism. It shows which is stronger, flesh or spirit.

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8 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

.There is nothing in the teachings of the disciples or Jesus to support a statement of this nature...

John tells us: This is the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ." (Revelation 1:2) We are told: " And I will never blot out his name from the Book of Life, but I will confess his name before My Father and His angels."  (Revelation 3:5b)

I am just quoting you a scripture. What part of this scripture are you having a problem with?  


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On 9/12/2020 at 7:44 PM, R. Hartono said:

Its true that Salvation must be rcvd first by accepting Jesus n repent, but see Jesus told disciples to wait in Jerusalem as John the baptist said that Jesus will baptize people with fire, so this Holy Spirit Baptism is not abt seeking spiritual power but let Jesus acknowledge Himself to believers n that we dont just study theology at church n rcvd pastor's baptism of water only.

People need to sit at the foot of Jesus n forget all their dignity n theory.

While the left time remains.

How about we just allow Luke to TEACH US the purpose of the baptism in the Holy Spirit? 

Acts 1:8 Acts 1:8
But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.:

Luke clinches it: the baptism in the Holy Spirit is for POWER to witness. 


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22 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

This part is omitted by many churches who calls this Holy Spirit baptism as optional further spiritual gifts.

They do not like struggle with flesh (praying and fasting) to rcv the Holy Spirit Baptism. It shows which is stronger, flesh or spirit.

You pretty much hit the nail on the head: MANY pastors who have received the Holy Spirit baptism agree: this mighty baptism in the Holy Spirit is the doorway to the 9 gifts of the Spirit. 


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On 9/13/2020 at 11:58 AM, JohnR7 said:

John tells us: This is the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ." (Revelation 1:2) We are told: " And I will never blot out his name from the Book of Life, but I will confess his name before My Father and His angels."  (Revelation 3:5b)

I am just quoting you a scripture. What part of this scripture are you having a problem with?  

Is your faith greater than early church ? Jesus told them to wait for Holy Spirit baptism in Jerusalem, are you quoting those verses to deny ?


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9 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

are you quoting those verses to deny ?

Are you accusing me? Because we know whose job it is to accuse the brethren. 

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