Let's talk about the faith of Jesus Christ

[Peterlag]

17 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

The brother only said what someone said, about the beggar who lived thousands of years after the begar whom he never met and which cannot be supported by the facts...

It was a statement that raises an argument that was not proven....and cannot be proven...can only be disproved by the facts in the narrative in the book of Acts.  

Saved by Grace did not say that he believes this as a truth statement...

He only said what someone suggested without proof...a frivolous statement...

The fact remains that the beggar was there asking for money or something valuable... 

If in the past he could have believed that Jesus could healed him..

But by now Jesus was dead...and not one that the beggar knew had been healed after the Cross...

There was nothing available to him to build faith in Jesus Christ as a healer...

Before the Cross of Jesus the beggar may have that hope... but as in the case of Bartholomew he did not pursue that belief...

The reason the people approach him it was to give him alms...and that what he was expecting from the disciples, he never expected to be healed and walk...

And then who knows if he was a secret believer of Jesus Christ before his Cross and a believer again after the message of Penticost, he may have heard the Gospel message from those who had believed after the day of Penticost...or he may have been wondering if it is truth what he had heard about Jesus resurrection...

But not miracles had be done yet in public in the name of Jesus Christ...(not in the name of the God of the old Covenant)...by any prophet of that period and after their death...

After that miracle of Peter the people had build up hope to be healed and were waiting for Peter to visit the Temple...

That even the sick were healed when the shadow of Peter fall upon them as Peter was passing by on the way to the Temple...

That shows not only that Jesus Christ was alive but also that God had approved of  Jesus Christ, that Jesus Christ was from God...that God gave a sign that he welcome Peter and the disciples of Jesus Christ...that they were a blessing and not a course...

To the people that was a sign that Jesus Christ was a blessing from God...

 

I hear preachers talking all the time about God often gives revelation to those man of God concerning those who believe to be healed. Paul said that he perceived that the man had faith to be healed. And Jesus often required it. So it is not such a whacked out idea that the faith the man had may have been his own.

[Peterlag]

14 hours ago, David1701 said:

Assuming that your memory is accurate, the minister was very much mistaken.

Acts 3:2-6 (KJV)

2 And a certain man lame from his mother's womb was carried, whom they laid daily at the gate of the temple which is called Beautiful, to ask alms of them that entered into the temple;
3 Who seeing Peter and John about to go into the temple asked an alms.
4 And Peter, fastening his eyes upon him with John, said, Look on us.
5 And he gave heed unto them, expecting to receive something of them.
6 Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk.

It could hardly be made clearer that the man was asking for and looking for alms.  Peter tells him that he has none to give; but, instead, gives him something far better.

I hear preachers talking all the time about God often gives revelation to those man of God concerning those who believe to be healed. Paul said that he perceived that the man had faith to be healed. And Jesus often required it. So it is not such a whacked out idea that the faith the man had may have been his own.

 

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[David1701]

7 hours ago, Peterlag said:

I hear preachers talking all the time about God often gives revelation to those man of God concerning those who believe to be healed. Paul said that he perceived that the man had faith to be healed. And Jesus often required it. So it is not such a whacked out idea that the faith the man had may have been his own.

 

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It is "whacked out", if it contradicts the context.  Just because some people were healed, through their faith, does not make it a generally applicable principle that this must always be the case.

In the case of the alms-seeker, it was Peter who had the faith for healing, not the man looking for money.

[Peterlag]

15 hours ago, David1701 said:

It is "whacked out", if it contradicts the context.  Just because some people were healed, through their faith, does not make it a generally applicable principle that this must always be the case.

In the case of the alms-seeker, it was Peter who had the faith for healing, not the man looking for money.

You are assuming he only wanted money because that was what he was doing there until Peter and John came by. It is very possible that God knew the man had faith for his healing and that might be why the Lord told Peter to tell the guy to get up.

[leah777]

3 hours ago, Peterlag said:

You are assuming he only wanted money because that was what he was doing there until Peter and John came by. It is very possible that God knew the man had faith for his healing and that might be why the Lord told Peter to tell the guy to get up.

you are assuming a lot also. And your assumption is not in line with other scriptures about faith.

[David1701]

5 hours ago, Peterlag said:

You are assuming he only wanted money because that was what he was doing there until Peter and John came by. It is very possible that God knew the man had faith for his healing and that might be why the Lord told Peter to tell the guy to get up.

Guesswork and assumptions are not the way to interpret the Bible.

I am not assuming, I am believing what the Bible says, rather than assuming something it does not say.  You, on the other hand...

Acts 3:2-6 (KJV)

2 And a certain man lame from his mother's womb was carried, whom they laid daily at the gate of the temple which is called Beautiful, to ask alms of them that entered into the temple;
3 Who seeing Peter and John about to go into the temple asked an alms.
4 And Peter, fastening his eyes upon him with John, said, Look on us.
5 And he gave heed unto them, expecting to receive something of them.
6 Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk.

The man went to the gate of the temple, to ask for alms.  Seeing Peter and John, he asked for alms.  Listening to Peter, he expected to receive alms from them.  Peter contradicted his expectation, by saying that he did not have silver or gold; but gave him something he was not asking for and did not expect - a healing.

[teddyv]

The genre of Acts also does not support unnecessary assumptions. I would not say that Luke is like a hard documentary, but it's probably closest to that style.

[Peterlag]

15 hours ago, leah777 said:

you are assuming a lot also. And your assumption is not in line with other scriptures about faith.

Years ago I had finally come to realize that the Bible meant "the authority of Jesus Christ" every time we read "in the name of Jesus Christ." I wanted to look at how other translations list Act 3:16 and so since I have it here is why I'm sharing...

 

New International Version
By faith in the name (authority) of Jesus, this man whom you see and know was made strong. It is Jesus' name (authority) and the faith that comes through him that has completely healed him, as you can all see.

New Living Translation
Through faith in the name (authority) of Jesus, this man was healed—and you know how crippled he was before. Faith in Jesus’ name (authority) has healed him before your very eyes.

English Standard Version
And his name (authority) —by faith in his name (authority) —has made this man strong whom you see and know, and the faith that is through Jesus has given the man this perfect health in the presence of you all.

Berean Study Bible
By faith in the name (authority) of Jesus, this man whom you see and know has been made strong. It is Jesus’ name (authority) and the faith that comes through Him that has given him this complete healing in your presence.

Berean Literal Bible
And on the faith in His name, (authority) this man whom you see and know, His name (authority) has strengthened; and the faith which is through Him has given to him this complete soundness before all of you.

New American Standard Bible
And on the basis of faith in His name, (authority) it is the name (authority) of Jesus which has strengthened this man whom you see and know; and the faith which comes through Him has given him this perfect health in the presence of you all.

New King James Version
And His name, (authority) through faith in His name, (authority) has made this man strong, whom you see and know. Yes, the faith which comes through Him has given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.

King James Bible
And his name (authority) through faith in his name (authority) hath made this man strong, whom ye see and know: yea, the faith which is by him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.

Christian Standard Bible
By faith in his name, (authority) his name (authority) has made this man strong, whom you see and know. So the faith that comes through Jesus has given him this perfect health in front of all of you.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
By faith in His name, (authority) His name (authority) has made this man strong, whom you see and know. So the faith that comes through Him has given him this perfect health in front of all of you.

International Standard Version
It is his name— (authority) that is, by faith in his name— (authority) that has healed this man whom you see and know. Yes, the faith that comes through Jesus has given him this perfect health in the presence of all of you.

NET Bible
And on the basis of faith in Jesus' name, (authority) his very name (authority) has made this man--whom you see and know--strong. The faith that is through Jesus has given him this complete health in the presence of you all.

New Heart English Bible
By faith in his name, (authority) his name (authority) has made this man strong, whom you see and know. Yes, the faith which is through him has given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.

A Faithful Version
And through faith in His name, (authority) this man whom you see and know was made strong in His name; (authority) and the faith that is through Him gave this complete soundness to him in the presence of you all.

New American Standard 1977
And on the basis of faith in His name, (authority) it is the name (authority) of Jesus which has strengthened this man whom you see and know; and the faith which comes through Him has given him this perfect health in the presence of you all.

King James 2000 Bible
And his name (authority) through faith in his name (authority) has made this man strong, whom you see and know: yea, the faith which is by him has given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.

American King James Version
And his name (authority) through faith in his name (authority) has made this man strong, whom you see and know: yes, the faith which is by him has given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.

American Standard Version
And by faith in his name (authority) hath his name (authority) made this man strong, whom ye behold and know: yea, the faith which is through him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.

Douay-Rheims Bible
And in the faith of his name, (authority) this man, whom you have seen and known, hath his name (authority) strengthened; and the faith which is by him, hath given this perfect soundness in the sight of you all.

Darby Bible Translation
And, by faith in his name, (authority) his name (authority) has made this [man] strong whom ye behold and know; and the faith which is by him has given him this complete soundness in the presence of you all.

English Revised Version
And by faith in his name (authority) hath his name (authority) made this man strong, whom ye behold and know: yea, the faith which is through him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.

Webster's Bible Translation 
And his name, (authority) through faith in his name, (authority) hath made this man strong, whom ye see and know: yes, the faith which is by him, hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.

Weymouth New Testament
It is His name-- (authority) faith in that name (authority) being the condition--which has strengthened this man whom you behold and know; and the faith which He has given has made this man sound and strong again, as you can all see.

World English Bible
By faith in his name, (authority) his name (authority) has made this man strong, whom you see and know. Yes, the faith which is through him has given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.

Young's Literal Translation
and on the faith of his name, (authority) this one whom ye see and have known, his name (authority) made strong, even the faith that is through him did give to him this perfect soundness before you all.

[Peterlag]

12 hours ago, David1701 said:

Guesswork and assumptions are not the way to interpret the Bible.

I am not assuming, I am believing what the Bible says, rather than assuming something it does not say.  You, on the other hand...

Acts 3:2-6 (KJV)

2 And a certain man lame from his mother's womb was carried, whom they laid daily at the gate of the temple which is called Beautiful, to ask alms of them that entered into the temple;
3 Who seeing Peter and John about to go into the temple asked an alms.
4 And Peter, fastening his eyes upon him with John, said, Look on us.
5 And he gave heed unto them, expecting to receive something of them.
6 Then Peter said, Silver and gold have I none; but such as I have give I thee: In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk.

The man went to the gate of the temple, to ask for alms.  Seeing Peter and John, he asked for alms.  Listening to Peter, he expected to receive alms from them.  Peter contradicted his expectation, by saying that he did not have silver or gold; but gave him something he was not asking for and did not expect - a healing.

Years ago I had finally come to realize that the Bible meant "the authority of Jesus Christ" every time we read "in the name of Jesus Christ." I wanted to look at how other translations list Act 3:16 and so since I have it here is why I'm sharing...

 

New International Version
By faith in the name (authority) of Jesus, this man whom you see and know was made strong. It is Jesus' name (authority) and the faith that comes through him that has completely healed him, as you can all see.

New Living Translation
Through faith in the name (authority) of Jesus, this man was healed—and you know how crippled he was before. Faith in Jesus’ name (authority) has healed him before your very eyes.

English Standard Version
And his name (authority) —by faith in his name (authority) —has made this man strong whom you see and know, and the faith that is through Jesus has given the man this perfect health in the presence of you all.

Berean Study Bible
By faith in the name (authority) of Jesus, this man whom you see and know has been made strong. It is Jesus’ name (authority) and the faith that comes through Him that has given him this complete healing in your presence.

Berean Literal Bible
And on the faith in His name, (authority) this man whom you see and know, His name (authority) has strengthened; and the faith which is through Him has given to him this complete soundness before all of you.

New American Standard Bible
And on the basis of faith in His name, (authority) it is the name (authority) of Jesus which has strengthened this man whom you see and know; and the faith which comes through Him has given him this perfect health in the presence of you all.

New King James Version
And His name, (authority) through faith in His name, (authority) has made this man strong, whom you see and know. Yes, the faith which comes through Him has given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.

King James Bible
And his name (authority) through faith in his name (authority) hath made this man strong, whom ye see and know: yea, the faith which is by him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.

Christian Standard Bible
By faith in his name, (authority) his name (authority) has made this man strong, whom you see and know. So the faith that comes through Jesus has given him this perfect health in front of all of you.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
By faith in His name, (authority) His name (authority) has made this man strong, whom you see and know. So the faith that comes through Him has given him this perfect health in front of all of you.

International Standard Version
It is his name— (authority) that is, by faith in his name— (authority) that has healed this man whom you see and know. Yes, the faith that comes through Jesus has given him this perfect health in the presence of all of you.

NET Bible
And on the basis of faith in Jesus' name, (authority) his very name (authority) has made this man--whom you see and know--strong. The faith that is through Jesus has given him this complete health in the presence of you all.

New Heart English Bible
By faith in his name, (authority) his name (authority) has made this man strong, whom you see and know. Yes, the faith which is through him has given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.

A Faithful Version
And through faith in His name, (authority) this man whom you see and know was made strong in His name; (authority) and the faith that is through Him gave this complete soundness to him in the presence of you all.

New American Standard 1977
And on the basis of faith in His name, (authority) it is the name (authority) of Jesus which has strengthened this man whom you see and know; and the faith which comes through Him has given him this perfect health in the presence of you all.

King James 2000 Bible
And his name (authority) through faith in his name (authority) has made this man strong, whom you see and know: yea, the faith which is by him has given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.

American King James Version
And his name (authority) through faith in his name (authority) has made this man strong, whom you see and know: yes, the faith which is by him has given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.

American Standard Version
And by faith in his name (authority) hath his name (authority) made this man strong, whom ye behold and know: yea, the faith which is through him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.

Douay-Rheims Bible
And in the faith of his name, (authority) this man, whom you have seen and known, hath his name (authority) strengthened; and the faith which is by him, hath given this perfect soundness in the sight of you all.

Darby Bible Translation
And, by faith in his name, (authority) his name (authority) has made this [man] strong whom ye behold and know; and the faith which is by him has given him this complete soundness in the presence of you all.

English Revised Version
And by faith in his name (authority) hath his name (authority) made this man strong, whom ye behold and know: yea, the faith which is through him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.

Webster's Bible Translation 
And his name, (authority) through faith in his name, (authority) hath made this man strong, whom ye see and know: yes, the faith which is by him, hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.

Weymouth New Testament
It is His name-- (authority) faith in that name (authority) being the condition--which has strengthened this man whom you behold and know; and the faith which He has given has made this man sound and strong again, as you can all see.

World English Bible
By faith in his name, (authority) his name (authority) has made this man strong, whom you see and know. Yes, the faith which is through him has given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.

Young's Literal Translation
and on the faith of his name, (authority) this one whom ye see and have known, his name (authority) made strong, even the faith that is through him did give to him this perfect soundness before you all.

[Peterlag]

A man’s name meant more than just a label of identification in the days when Jesus Christ walked the earth. The man’s name carried the characteristics that the name implied, such as authority, character, rank and power—everything the name covers as expressing his attributes. A man’s name not only revealed his character or authority on whose behalf one would act, but it also was the identity of how one was known, expressing the essential nature of its bearer, the personality and expression of the man’s innermost being. To be called by the name of a person would denote the standing in a peculiar relation to him, or being his property. To speak or act in a person’s name would be to act by his authority, and thereby to represent or participate in his revealed nature.

Names in the Bible were considered to identify and describe the very being and function of their bearers because a man’s name represented him wholly. A person could exercise influence over a man by using his name because one would need to conform to his essential nature as expressed in his name. The Old Testament prophets spoke in the name of the Lord with all His authority and power. Jesus claimed to have come in his Father’s name, meaning as the Father’s representative. We have only one life to live and give our utmost for His Highest. Do we dare to live in the powerful and victorious name of our living Lord and savior Jesus Christ, calling upon his name to invoke him on the basis of his revealed nature and character?

New International Version
By faith in the name (authority) of Jesus, this man whom you see and know was made strong. It is Jesus' name (authority) and the faith that comes through him that has completely healed him, as you can all see.

New Living Translation
Through faith in the name (authority) of Jesus, this man was healed—and you know how crippled he was before. Faith in Jesus’ name (authority) has healed him before your very eyes.

English Standard Version
And his name (authority) —by faith in his name (authority) —has made this man strong whom you see and know, and the faith that is through Jesus has given the man this perfect health in the presence of you all.

Berean Study Bible
By faith in the name (authority) of Jesus, this man whom you see and know has been made strong. It is Jesus’ name (authority) and the faith that comes through Him that has given him this complete healing in your presence.

Berean Literal Bible
And on the faith in His name, (authority) this man whom you see and know, His name (authority) has strengthened; and the faith which is through Him has given to him this complete soundness before all of you.

New American Standard Bible
And on the basis of faith in His name, (authority) it is the name (authority) of Jesus which has strengthened this man whom you see and know; and the faith which comes through Him has given him this perfect health in the presence of you all.

New King James Version
And His name, (authority) through faith in His name, (authority) has made this man strong, whom you see and know. Yes, the faith which comes through Him has given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.

King James Bible
And his name (authority) through faith in his name (authority) hath made this man strong, whom ye see and know: yea, the faith which is by him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.

Christian Standard Bible
By faith in his name, (authority) his name (authority) has made this man strong, whom you see and know. So the faith that comes through Jesus has given him this perfect health in front of all of you.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
By faith in His name, (authority) His name (authority) has made this man strong, whom you see and know. So the faith that comes through Him has given him this perfect health in front of all of you.

International Standard Version
It is his name— (authority) that is, by faith in his name— (authority) that has healed this man whom you see and know. Yes, the faith that comes through Jesus has given him this perfect health in the presence of all of you.

NET Bible
And on the basis of faith in Jesus' name, (authority) his very name (authority) has made this man--whom you see and know--strong. The faith that is through Jesus has given him this complete health in the presence of you all.

New Heart English Bible
By faith in his name, (authority) his name (authority) has made this man strong, whom you see and know. Yes, the faith which is through him has given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.

A Faithful Version
And through faith in His name, (authority) this man whom you see and know was made strong in His name; (authority) and the faith that is through Him gave this complete soundness to him in the presence of you all.

New American Standard 1977
And on the basis of faith in His name, (authority) it is the name (authority) of Jesus which has strengthened this man whom you see and know; and the faith which comes through Him has given him this perfect health in the presence of you all.

King James 2000 Bible
And his name (authority) through faith in his name (authority) has made this man strong, whom you see and know: yea, the faith which is by him has given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.

American King James Version
And his name (authority) through faith in his name (authority) has made this man strong, whom you see and know: yes, the faith which is by him has given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.

American Standard Version
And by faith in his name (authority) hath his name (authority) made this man strong, whom ye behold and know: yea, the faith which is through him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.

Douay-Rheims Bible
And in the faith of his name, (authority) this man, whom you have seen and known, hath his name (authority) strengthened; and the faith which is by him, hath given this perfect soundness in the sight of you all.

Darby Bible Translation
And, by faith in his name, (authority) his name (authority) has made this [man] strong whom ye behold and know; and the faith which is by him has given him this complete soundness in the presence of you all.

English Revised Version
And by faith in his name (authority) hath his name (authority) made this man strong, whom ye behold and know: yea, the faith which is through him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.

Webster's Bible Translation 
And his name, (authority) through faith in his name, (authority) hath made this man strong, whom ye see and know: yes, the faith which is by him, hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.

Weymouth New Testament
It is His name-- (authority) faith in that name (authority) being the condition--which has strengthened this man whom you behold and know; and the faith which He has given has made this man sound and strong again, as you can all see.

World English Bible
By faith in his name, (authority) his name (authority) has made this man strong, whom you see and know. Yes, the faith which is through him has given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.

Young's Literal Translation
and on the faith of his name, (authority) this one whom ye see and have known, his name (authority) made strong, even the faith that is through him did give to him this perfect soundness before you all.