The Fullness of The Gentiles!! Melo ha Goyim!

[Jedi4Yahweh]

4 minutes ago, CompletedJew said:

I can stop here, and ask you one simple question, to see what's up.........Do you believe a Jew who has Not Yet...accepted Messiah can HEAR from God?

If you are a Jew and have rejected the Messiah then no you are cut-off from God and have eyes that do not see nor ears that hear.

Paul makes this clear:

What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day. - Rom 11:7-8 KJV

[JohnR7]

23 hours ago, CompletedJew said:

Comes in* comes in where? Comes in to Israel.

Comes to Jesus, to a saving knowledge of the truth. "He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels." (Revelation 3:5) "The LORD replied to Moses, "Whoever has sinned against Me, I will blot out of My book." (Exodus 32:33)

Every name is written in the book of life from the foundation of the world. God is "not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." (2Peter 3:9) That is why He encourages us to choose life. (Deuteronomy 30:19) No fence sitting allowed, everyone has to decide if they are in or out with God. 

[Completed Israelite]

50 minutes ago, Jedi4Yahweh said:

If you are a Jew and have rejected the Messiah then no you are cut-off from God and have eyes that do not see nor ears that hear.

Paul makes this clear:

What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day. - Rom 11:7-8 KJV

So how did Paul ever hear from God, a Jew who did not accept Messiah?(whose heart was not even open to it, a killer of Messianic Jews, *not Christains of Christainity in Antioch...And let it be known, He said Israel was Blind IN PART* take that back to the Hebrew it actually means a small portion brother, most actually belived and to this day many still do, but fear persecution.)

THIS IS a false belief my brothers and sisters. All Jews can HEAR from God. Yeshua iS A ISSUE OF SALVATION. 

Edited September 7, 2020 by CompletedJew

[Completed Israelite]

36 minutes ago, JohnR7 said:

Comes to Jesus, to a saving knowledge of the truth. "He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels." (Revelation 3:5) "The LORD replied to Moses, "Whoever has sinned against Me, I will blot out of My book." (Exodus 32:33)

Every name is written in the book of life from the foundation of the world. God is "not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." (2Peter 3:9) That is why He encourages us to choose life. (Deuteronomy 30:19) No fence sitting allowed, everyone has to decide if they are in or out with God. 

Who Paul was writing alredy came to Messiah, the fullness was more about #1. Multitudes of nations coming to God of Israel. And#2 fully becoming one with israel. Which is happening now, so we all can rejoice together on this, as Gentiles come to corr3ct Worship, Jews come to Mashiyach. Halleluyah. 

 

Edited September 7, 2020 by CompletedJew

[Completed Israelite]

1 hour ago, Dennis1209 said:

I see things a bit differently? Question: Who is a Gentile? Answer: Anyone who is not a Jew. 

The time and place the gentile nations began was in Babylon with Nimrod [well technically Noah was a gentile]. All biblical history written is centered around Israel. The first gentile nation was Babylon and King Nebuchadnezzar [the head of gold] and continued in succession with Media-Persia, Greece and Rome. Here shortly will be the revival of the old Roman empire [but will it be the eastern or western leg?]

The Jew's, Jerusalem and Israel is trampled on by the world and Antichrist during the tribulation [Gentiles]. In my opinion, the times of the gentiles doesn't end until the end of the tribulation, and the second coming of our Lord.

Hello brother what do you think about the verses I gave as original post? Of all the Prophecys upon His return when All  the earth will be learning Torah, and keeping the feast as a requirement?

[JohnD]

Romans 11 (AV)
1 I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.
4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.
9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:
10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.
11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?
13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.
15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?
16 For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches.
17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;
18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers’ sakes.
29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?
35 Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?
36 For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.

 

[Jedi4Yahweh]

35 minutes ago, CompletedJew said:

So how did Paul ever hear from God, a Jew who did not accept Messiah?(whose heart was not even open to it, a killer of Messianic Jews, *not Christains of Christainity in Antioch...And let it be known, He said Israel was Blind IN PART* take that back to the Hebrew it actually means a small portion brother, most actually belived and to this day many still do, but fear persecution.)

THIS IS a false belief my brothers and sisters. All Jews can HEAR from God. Yeshua iS A ISSUE OF SALVATION. 

All Jews can not hear God or they would have not rejected the Messiah.  I did not say all Jews. Yahshua and all the Apostles were Jews.  Some of the Jews believed on Messiah and some believe in Messiah today.  God has always had a faith few/elect.  I said those whom do not believe on Messiah are cut off.  The Messiah came for them but was rejected by his people which the scriptures make clear and because of their rejection the Kingdom of God came to Gentiles. 

Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day. ... I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but [rather] through their fall salvation [is come] unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. ... Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in. Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, [take heed] lest he also spare not thee. ... For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural [branches], be graffed into their own olive tree? - Rom 11:7-8, 11, 19-21, 24 KJV

 

[Completed Israelite]

15 minutes ago, Jedi4Yahweh said:

All Jews can not hear God or they would have not rejected the Messiah

Yes all Jew CAN hear from God and same goes for all peoples of the Earth, this is a absoultly crazy statement. Im am getting the feeling, you have learned much from the internet. And Not God Himself or Bible it's self. 

THIS IS like me saying Christains can not hear from God because they do not follow His Torah, and proof is in the pudding, this is called a Sin of Ignorance, the Gentiles who don't follow Torah, and the Jews who don't believe Yeshua is Messiah fall under same category. Sin in ignorance, lack of understanding. (As I said Messiah is a issue of salvation, but Jews are far more in tune with worship of Thier God than Christains)

Shual(paul) WAS A JEW WHO DID NOT ACCEPT MESSIAH. For this reason you have spoken with a split tounge brother. He DID hear from El, and He down right rejected Messiah Yeshua. 

Tons and tons of ppl(Islam etc.) who reject Him as Messiah hear from God every day.. if This WAS case no1 could be saved. 

I feel you personally have to stop focusing on being correct in argument, and be open to truth in God only... don't learn from internet, pick a subject and read your physical Bible.

 

 

Edited September 7, 2020 by CompletedJew

[Jedi4Yahweh]

58 minutes ago, CompletedJew said:

Yes all Jew CAN hear from God and same goes for all peoples of the Earth, this is a absoultly crazy statement. Im am getting the feeling, you have learned much from the internet. And Not God Himself or Bible it's self. 

I feel you personally have to stop focusing on being correct in argument, and be open to truth in God only... don't learn from internet, pick a subject and read your physical Bible.

 

So you resort to personal attacks when you can not defend your argument with scriptures...I see.  

Your argument simply does not line up with scriptures.  Scriptures repeatedly say that Israel's heart has been hardened. (Romans 11:8; Deuteronomy 29:4; Isaiah 29:10; 2 Corinthians 3:14-15;  Ezekiel 12:2; Jeremiah 5:21; Matthew 13:13-14;)  Yes, God has always had a remnant few/chosen/elect who are faithful but for the majority of Jews they have rejected the Messiah.  This does not mean they will always reject Messiah because scriptures clear says in the latter days he will restore Israel.

I believe this will happen after the great falling away of Gentiles.  Just as most of Israel was broken off so that Gentiles could be grafted in like manor Gentiles will be broken off so that Israel will grafted back in last days after the great apostasy.

Edited September 8, 2020 by Jedi4Yahweh

[TheBlade]

Was going to share but.. again things are being said by the op that are not written in the word. Take "Yes all Jew CAN hear from God and same goes for all peoples of the Earth, this is a absoultly crazy statement. Im am getting the feeling, you have learned much from the internet. And Not God Himself or Bible it's self"  We can look just in the OT on just who GOD hears. He then goes on.. making a personal attack/put down "you have learned much from the internet". Lets not make this personal.

God hearing prayers..lets take TO Jeremiah 14:11–12. Prov "He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination."Ps. 66:18; Prov. 21:13; Isa. 1:15; Jer. 11:11–14" "Isaiah 59:1–2.“Behold, the Lord’s hand is not shortened, that it cannot save, or his ear dull, that it cannot hear; but your iniquities have made a separation between you and your God, and your sins have hidden his face from you so that he does not hear”.

So.. Israel believe it or not God does not hear. You don't reject His son that came to His own first and they rejected Him "He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him." now to ANY that do receive Christ "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:". As Issac was we are the children of promise. There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. Saying your GODS people.. praise God a truth but.. rejecting Jesus Christ as lord of lords and king of kings that died for the worlds sin.. you are not His and are lost forever. Unless your blind. If you were blind you would have no sin. You say you see your sin remains as Jesus said.

We can read all about one body. There is a vine and there are in fact branches that are originally of the vine and there are others that are grafted in and what He showed me.. said to me "show me a branch that was no originally of the vine. I am the vine you are the branches". Its not how WE see this.. its what He said,says. If you are not in Christ you are not of God.