Is America Under Judgement?

[JohnR7]

 Jonathan Cahn just came out with a new book this month. I have only read a few chapters but the theme of the book seems to be that America is under judgement and that is why we are seeing a lot of the problems we are dealing with. Fires, the virus, civil unrest and so on. He seems to be saying that God does not want to judge this nation but we do not give Him any choice. I did not really expect that this is what the book was about. Actually for a lot of years we have been fighting against abortion and a lot of the things God is judging us for.  Although God does seem to be blessing those who walk with Him. 

[RonaldBruno]

Do you think He is blessing America? In this generation, we have seen Prayer removed from schools (1962), JFK got shot (1963), the drug/hippie movement starting around 67', Abortion legalized in 74', and homosexuality going from (mental disorder prior to 74')  to being accepted and advocated in movies, TV shows and would you believe even Disneyland. Walt would roll over in his grave! We've seen the moral fiber descend into all sorts of perversions. Human trafficking is prevalent and most likely a former president took dozens of trips to Epsteins Fantasy Island where all his dreams came true ( not to mention his BJ in the Oval Office and purging himself under oath). Then 9/11/2001 changed things and then the Gulf wars as well. The recession in 2008 continuing for years was also not a blessing. And during all this, we've seen evil exposed, Enron, Madoff and more recently, are our DOJ, FBI, Hillary and of course the buck stops with Obama, illegal scandals.  Honestly, when Gay Marriage became law, I thought that was the last straw. The camel's back is broke.   Now we have division and a party trying so desperately to get rid of Trump that they create false, lying  narratives: Russian Collusion, Impeachment and more to come. Now we are threatened with violence in the streets, promoted and funded by the Left Wing Elites (George Soros and the Dems). Soros claims America is the obstacle preventing the world from their Utopian ideal, a NWO, which is a socialist, Marxist ideology, so he is spending hundreds of millions to collapse our economy, create civil disorder, lawlessness, attacking our police, capitalism, our religion, values, flag and Constitution. 

God is sovereign and therefore allowing this to take place. It can only mean the beginning of sorrows and soon a Great Tribulation/Judgment Day. So it's not just America, it is the world.

[LadyKay]

28 minutes ago, RonaldBruno said:

Do you think He is blessing America? In this generation, we have seen Prayer removed from schools (1962), JFK got shot (1963), the drug/hippie movement starting around 67', Abortion legalized in 74', and homosexuality going from (mental disorder prior to 74')  to being accepted and advocated in movies, TV shows and would you believe even Disneyland. Walt would roll over in his grave! We've seen the moral fiber descend into all sorts of perversions. Human trafficking is prevalent and most likely a former president took dozens of trips to Epsteins Fantasy Island where all his dreams came true ( not to mention his BJ in the Oval Office and purging himself under oath). Then 9/11/2001 changed things and then the Gulf wars as well. The recession in 2008 continuing for years was also not a blessing. And during all this, we've seen evil exposed, Enron, Madoff and more recently, are our DOJ, FBI, Hillary and of course the buck stops with Obama, illegal scandals.  Honestly, when Gay Marriage became law, I thought that was the last straw. The camel's back is broke.   Now we have division and a party trying so desperately to get rid of Trump that they create false, lying  narratives: Russian Collusion, Impeachment and more to come. Now we are threatened with violence in the streets, promoted and funded by the Left Wing Elites (George Soros and the Dems). Soros claims America is the obstacle preventing the world from their Utopian ideal, a NWO, which is a socialist, Marxist ideology, so he is spending hundreds of millions to collapse our economy, create civil disorder, lawlessness, attacking our police, capitalism, our religion, values, flag and Constitution. 

God is sovereign and therefore allowing this to take place. It can only mean the beginning of sorrows and soon a Great Tribulation/Judgment Day. So it's not just America, it is the world.

Do you think you are ever going to wake up one morning to a "Christian Church" like America?  Jesus told us not to be of the world. Therefor it is known that the world is not of God. So should any of us be shocked or surprised by the things that the world dose?    Nations back in Bible days were not of God. 

As Ecclesiastes 1:9 reads:    What has been will be again,  what has been done will be done again;  there is nothing new under the sun.

The world and every nation will do evil until our Lord returns. 

Edited September 21, 2020 by LadyKay

[TheBlade]

No.. America is not under judgement. This has been said, used for how many years? Longer then I have been alive and I am 59. See there are those like me that where God looked for just one from among them so He would not have to judge but He found none. Yet in this case He found MANY believers that stood in the gap so He would not have to judge. I truly believe this.

Now in 59 years I don't recall the lord ever Judging the Church. Well as our bother Peter said by the sweet Holy Spirit "For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?"

This is what I see...our KING of KINGS and LORD OF LORDS is very very very close and the enemy knows it. And Satan is still the god of this world and is pulling out all the stops. The Church is still here.. no one but NO ONE hands God His hat and tells Him to leave. We are the Church and the gates of HELL will never over come us. We right now have all authority over the enemy. SO USE IT!

Again.. what He said He will do.. and Judgement will happen to the Church first. Christ already died for the worlds sin. The  sweet holy Spirit is convicting them of sin and that sin is they do not know Jesus as lord. "He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God"

God once told Israel if you do the same sins as those other nations the earth will spit you out "That the land spue not you out also, when ye defile it, as it spued out the nations that were before you."

My point is the more SIN the more this earth reacts to sin. What our Father does is turns it to His GLORY!
 

[R. Hartono]

What happened in US also happened in many parts of the world especially near the election.

[johnthebaptist]

3 hours ago, JohnR7 said:

 Jonathan Cahn just came out with a new book this month. I have only read a few chapters but the theme of the book seems to be that America is under judgement and that is why we are seeing a lot of the problems we are dealing with. Fires, the virus, civil unrest and so on. He seems to be saying that God does not want to judge this nation but we do not give Him any choice. I did not really expect that this is what the book was about. Actually for a lot of years we have been fighting against abortion and a lot of the things God is judging us for.  Although God does seem to be blessing those who walk with Him. 

Certainly the Lord is always judging nations, while at the same time judging individuals. And our country is becoming extrememly immoral, even as it boasts how moral it is. God says homosexuality is an abomination, but liberals say you are a bigot if you believe that. Indeed, liberals now force girls to shower with boys at school, if the boys say they want to be girls. Certainly the farther our country strays from his will, the worse things will get. At the same time, as you say, the Lord protects those who are walking with him.

[JohnR7]

14 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said:

God says homosexuality is an abomination, but liberals say you are a bigot if you believe that.

I have people in my own family that do not talk to me because I will not approve of what the Bible does not approve of. Even if I respect their right to their opinion, they do not want to respect my right to my opinion if it is different from theirs. 

"Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them." (Romans 1:32)

We have to be very careful of what we approve of.  We have to take a stand for what is good and right and true. God is going to hold us accountable. We should be more afraid of God than people. I remember I had a very good friend. There was something I was doing with photography that he outright told me: I do not approve of what you are doing. I do not recommend you do it. But I do not want this to interfere with our friendship. I think about that and if I agree with him or not I am glad he was willing to take a stand for what he believed to be good and right and true. We can not give people our approval if what they are doing is against what the Bible teaches. 

[johnthebaptist]

5 minutes ago, JohnR7 said:

I have people in my own family that do not talk to me because I will not approve of what the Bible does not approve of. Even if I respect their right to their opinion, they do not want to respect my right to my opinion if it is different from theirs. 

"Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them." (Romans 1:32)

We have to be very careful of what we approve of.  We have to take a stand for what is good and right and true. God is going to hold us accountable. We should be more afraid of God than people. I remember I had a very good friend. There was something I was doing with photography that he outright told me: I do not approve of what you are doing. I do not recommend you do it. But I do not want this to interfere with our friendship. I think about that and if I agree with him or not I am glad he was willing to take a stand for what he believed to be good and right and true. We can not give people our approval if what they are doing is against what the Bible teaches. 

Yes, many are more concerned with gaining the approval of man than gaining the approval of God. God is all-knowing, all-powerful, and motivated entirely by love. It is his approval we need. I’m reminded of this: 

On every side the wicked prowl,
as vileness is exalted among the sons of men. Psalm 12:8 RSV

[Dennis1209]

These are just some personal thoughts based on my understanding of trends in scripture and how the Lord has done things in the past.

Against all odds and probabilities, I truly believe Trump was a divine appointment from God [the Lord sets and removes kings]. I shutter at the thought had the 'Beast-ess' become president, and where we would be today. Could Trump's appointment be a temporary reprieve and an opportunity to repent as a nation [I don't know]?

With what's going on in America; embracing socialism/communism, the push for a one world order, the lie of man-made global climate change, the lie of evolution [a religion of atheism] accepted and officially taught in our public schools and institutions of higher learning, the Pope onboard pushing his one world agenda, on and on. Listening and watching half of America, many religious leaders and politicians with their rhetoric and actions.

There appears to be a substantial loss of natural affection, reasoning, common sense and critical thinking that borders on the bizarre. Has our Lord given these people over to a debased mind and the lusts of there own flesh? 

There's no doubt in my mind the Lord has sent us quite a few messages to 'wake up' and repent, to deaf ears and blind eyes. As a nation, we are going to receive judgment, but when? There's a number of passages about nations getting blessed and cursed based on their treatment of Israel and the Jew's. At the close of the tribulation there's the 'sheep and goat' judgment on which nations are allowed to enter the millennium. Could it be; that a reason we may not have received our just due yet is because our Lord is slow to anger and has great patience. That we are friends, allies and support Israel "presently". That we still send out the most missionaries globally to spread the Gospel message?

Just some things I think about...

[WayneS]

Great topic and love the discussions. 
I’m tending to lean towards TheBlades view. I’ve often thought, through my observations, that those that choose to follow the ways of the world get what they can get. Some are rich or poor, some find love, many don’t, a few may be content with their life, many are not. You are in your own. 
  On the flip side, true Christians are full of love, joy, peace..... making life wonderful, and to boot, will have blessings from God roll in as He sees fit. I understand that many faith-filled Cristians did go through difficult trials to get to faith. And it is worth it. 
 

 The worldly get what they can under their own efforts and conniving.  Some get 1 or 2 things done well. We should not be jealous of them, they have an incomplete package!  
Faith-filled believers have so much more!

  In the OT, many nations were evil for 100’s of years. They hated, were sexual immoral, homelessness, you name it. They did this in their own.  However, when the Jews had a "good king" and followed God’s way, they we’re blessed.  

  I suspect many in America and Western Europe have a lot in common with the OT evil nations.