There be GIANTS

[teddyv]

Deeming something unessential does not mean it does not hold any interest, nor should it limit one's wish to discuss it, I hope. 

[Starise]

Pardon someone coming into this discussion later. How does this tie into giants? It's a great examination of these passages for sure. I remember back when I read it always seemed to be that there was far more to it. 

If I seen my dad drunk in bed naked, I would have covered him up. I might have accidentally seen him naked during the process. Not much different than what nurses see every day of the week. They don't really THINK on the nakedness. It's just there. Men have this and women have that...nuff said. 

The implication "maybe" was he stood and gazed on his dads nakedness? I hope not. That's just messed up. Maybe the reason for a curse though. Some think the curse wasn't necessarily anything physical. ...but how get from that to giants is a jump for me.

Edited October 15, 2020 by Starise

[Buddy D. Mouse]

I meant non-essential as in the phrase "In essentials - unity - in non-essentials - liberty - in all things - charity"

I never used the term FRIVOLOUS

[Dennis1209]

6 hours ago, Marathoner said:

The 18th chapter of Leviticus addresses the euphemism and the reason why Ham was cursed by his father. I pointed out that Noah lived before the Law only in relation to the penalty assigned therein; Ham still incurred a penalty which was the curse of his father. It's also worth remembering that Moses wrote the book of Genesis and therefore, the euphemisms of his day apply. 

You're free to declare these matters as non-essential but truly, is any effort to study the scriptures frivolous? Each of us knows only in part and when we come together as we have in this topic, we edify one another which is pleasing to the Lord. If you deem this as unessential, you're free to abstain from participating.  

Perhaps I'm confused with what you're communicating here?

Genesis 9:21 (KJV) And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent. 22. And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without. 23. And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father's nakedness. 24. And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him. 25. And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren.  

Noah woke up from his inebriation, and knew what his younger son [HAM] had done unto him. Then Noah cursed Canaan [his grandson] for what his youngest son "Ham" had done unto him. Ham was not cursed by Noah.

Genesis 10:6 (KJV) And the sons of Ham; Cush, and Mizraim, and Phut, and Canaan. 

I suspect this was meant to be a generational curse on the descendants of Canaan. But why Canaan, what did he do to deserve what his father Ham did? And why Canaan and not Cush, Mizraim or Phut?

Edited October 15, 2020 by Dennis1209

[Dennis1209]

6 hours ago, Starise said:

Some think the curse wasn't necessarily anything physical. ...but how get from that to giants is a jump for me.

Well, it would be an awful long bedtime story that would put me to sleep  You can't get anymore physical than the following.

Genesis 10:19 (KJV) And the border of the Canaanites was from Sidon, as thou comest to Gerar, unto Gaza; as thou goest, unto Sodom, and Gomorrah, and Admah, and Zeboim, even unto Lasha. 

The Canaanites are the descendants of Noah, Ham and Canaan. To be brief, the Canaanites hated Israel and were constant enemies, fought many bloody battles. They were forbidding to marry a Canaanite.

How did we get from that to giants? A long read above 

[Starise]

1 hour ago, Dennis1209 said:

Well, it would be an awful long bedtime story that would put me to sleep  You can't get anymore physical than the following.

Genesis 10:19 (KJV) And the border of the Canaanites was from Sidon, as thou comest to Gerar, unto Gaza; as thou goest, unto Sodom, and Gomorrah, and Admah, and Zeboim, even unto Lasha. 

The Canaanites are the descendants of Noah, Ham and Canaan. To be brief, the Canaanites hated Israel and were constant enemies, fought many bloody battles. They were forbidding to marry a Canaanite.

How did we get from that to giants? A long read above 

I like jumping topic sometimes. In fact I've been known to do it. Not on purpose, but because my mind wanders. One thought breeds two thoughts which take another direction and pretty soon.......................

Don't read anything more into my breed comment above. In some forums I get the feeling they have another cross waiting for anyone they don't like.

Maybe I shouldn't care.....meandering in another direction seemed a possibility.

[Marathoner]

4 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

Perhaps I'm confused with what you're communicating here?

Genesis 9:21 (KJV) And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent. 22. And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without. 23. And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father's nakedness. 24. And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him. 25. And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren.  

Noah woke up from his inebriation, and knew what his younger son [HAM] had done unto him. Then Noah cursed Canaan [his grandson] for what his youngest son "Ham" had done unto him. Ham was not cursed by Noah.

Genesis 10:6 (KJV) And the sons of Ham; Cush, and Mizraim, and Phut, and Canaan. 

I suspect this was meant to be a generational curse on the descendants of Canaan. But why Canaan, what did he do to deserve what his father Ham did? And why Canaan and not Cush, Mizraim or Phut?

Thanks for pointing that out! Ham wasn't cursed, his son Canaan was.  

 

[Marathoner]

4 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

Well, it would be an awful long bedtime story that would put me to sleep  You can't get anymore physical than the following.

Genesis 10:19 (KJV) And the border of the Canaanites was from Sidon, as thou comest to Gerar, unto Gaza; as thou goest, unto Sodom, and Gomorrah, and Admah, and Zeboim, even unto Lasha. 

The Canaanites are the descendants of Noah, Ham and Canaan. To be brief, the Canaanites hated Israel and were constant enemies, fought many bloody battles. They were forbidding to marry a Canaanite.

How did we get from that to giants? A long read above 

Considering the winding trail which led us there, perhaps we ought to close that park and reserve it for another time and topic. Resounding agreement to be had here! 

I started a topic about the curse of Canaan for any who wish to discuss that. I'm stumped as to why Canaan was cursed.

 

Edited October 16, 2020 by Marathoner