Scriptures Your Pastor Avoids (w/ a few exceptions)

[FrankIeCip]

LoL. 41. Some people understand what I’m saying and some don’t. That’s why I said ok here we go ?

Edited October 24, 2020 by FrankIeCip

[Starise]

17 minutes ago, FrankIeCip said:

LoL. 41. Some people understand what I’m saying and some don’t. That’s why I said ok here we go ?

It was my very bad attempt at humor lol.

[FrankIeCip]

I thought it was but sometimes you can’t tell on a forum or text. And it wasn’t bad. LoL God bless. 

[Guest]

On 10/23/2020 at 9:22 AM, Starise said:

I hesitated to jump into this discussion because it seemed to me to be divisive by the very title. 

The main theme here seems to have developed into one of eternal security of the believer. In one sense I believe this makes true believers fearful, for instance what if as a Christian I live a totally sinless life and then sin? ( we know that isn't humanly possible 24/7. If you just thought about how good you are, that's a sin because you just lied to yourself). The Bible says NONE are righteous.

Along that line of thinking  we could say we have lived a pretty much sinless life. We may think we are better than others because of it. That's the sin of pride you know. "What if" you somehow managed to be totally sinless for one year- al righty then , but anyways- for the purposes of this discussion, you were saved. You didn't sin HOWEVER right before your last day on earth you sinned. NOW where will you go? Did you willingly sin? There's no argument there. We ALL willingly sin. It might be the part of us we hate. Doesn't mean we didn't WILLINGLY sin. Will a supposedly good boy or girl then go to hell? What do you tell the cop who caught you stealing? I told myself not to do that but I did it anyways. I'm sure that one will get you off the hook 

You are a sinner. That's why you sin. The sin isn't what makes you a sinner. It's the other way around. 

Getting saved means you admit that you are in fact a sinner with an inherent sin nature. " Jesus, I know I'm a sinner, please save me". What did He save you from? He died to save you from your sins.

How does that look in real life application?  While it's a double agreement- A. You say you are a sinner. You admit you sin. You ask for him to save and forgive you. B.- God dies for your sins so that He could save you. He isn't stupid He knows you are a sinner. He knows you still have a sin nature. His end of the agreement is to promise to save you from your sin at the end of time you will rise again the same as He rose again to a new life, a new heaven and a new earth. He also promises to help you along the way until you die. He internally CONVICTS you of sin as a Christian. You then respond to the conviction with confession. If you didn't really get saved you wouldn't ever feel the need to stop sinning or feel conviction because of sin. This is because you were never saved. If you don't feel the need to confess sin, you won't confess the sin. This is how God "brings us around". You are continually striving. It's a conscious effort to improve. To let go of the sins ion your life. If you are content to keep on sinning with absolutely NO conviction of it. You are not a child of God. I don't care how far up in the church you are, what church you attend, how good you look on the outside....you aren't saved.

And THAT'S the difference. You WILL feel conviction. You WILL eventually turn away from it. This isn't always something we can see from the outside. A person might look ok with sinning but inside they are totally miserable. If they continue to sin, God will chastise them because like children who need correction, He corrects us to get us back on track.

If a person is saved they have agreed to let God manage them. If they so much as entertain the thought and sin, He will be there to convict and pull them back towards Himself. This is why a saved person can't be unsaved because they sin.They can "sin unto death" which is basically God taking them out of service. The will enter heaven "as by fire" IOW by the seat of their pants. If there are levels in heaven, they will be cleaning the toe nails of the custodian.

I think what you've written here is very well said.  To paraphrase and you can correct me, once saved is always saved is valid because the Holy Spirit inside us validates our salvation when we feel guilty or ashamed of falling short of His will for our lives.  In other words, when we sin after being saved, we should feel the "tug" of God back to His perfect will.  If we don't feel guilt at sin, maybe we weren't saved to begin with even though we may have thought we were.  Have I got the gist of what you're saying correct?

[Starise]

15 minutes ago, Saved.One.by.Grace said:

I think what you've written here is very well said.  To paraphrase and you can correct me, once saved is always saved is valid because the Holy Spirit inside us validates our salvation when we feel guilty or ashamed of falling short of His will for our lives.  In other words, when we sin after being saved, we should feel the "tug" of God back to His perfect will.  If we don't feel guilt at sin, maybe we weren't saved to begin with even though we may have thought we were.  Have I got the gist of what you're saying correct?

Yes-

If a person is worried about not being saved, this validates their concern which validates their salvation, That is, if they made a sincere confession prior to that.. OTOH if they weren't worried and living in willful sin while rejecting salvation through ONLY Jesus Christ and His death on the cross. They are NOT saved.

 A lot of people embrace some sort of religious feel good message that conveniently leaves out the plan of salvation. Those people should be concerned.

[JohnD]

18 hours ago, Walter Goraj jr said:

You stated: "I do not believe (as the OP stated) pastors deliberately  avoid the scriptures to deceive. But rather, they are themselves deceived and compromised for placing the authority of scriptural interpretation and teaching in the hands of man."

Correct!  It's easy to be deceived if you took part in your own plan of salvation. God does not impart the wisdom of the Holy Spirit to someone that follows their own will and not Gods will. The "free will gospel" has been large and in charge for the last several hundred years, and now you see it's spiritual and doctrinal death in most congregations. 

There has been a deception / falling away (apostasy) undermining the Gospel since Constantine essentially hijacked the Church.

The next several hundred years were spent building the false organizational industrial complex based on  human will and human tradition.

2 Peter 1:20–21 (AV)
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
Mark 7:13 (AV)
13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

The Protestant Reformation did not reform nearly enough. By not beginning at the beginning (2 Peter 1:20-21 above) ← the Holy Spirit alone interprets the scriptures HE wrote. By placing that sacred authority anywhere else, man has compromised the scripture, the truth, the gospel, Jesus, and the Spirit.

Galatians 1:8–9 (AV)
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

2 Corinthians 11:3–4 (AV)
3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

Mark 13:22 (AV)
22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.

Matthew 24:24 (AV)
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Matthew 24:4–5 (AV)
4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

Matthew 7:21–23 (AV)
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
 

[steve morrow]

ONE  MEDIATOR  ONE  SHEPHERD  ---  A  MULTITUDE  OF  UNBELIEVERS

 

LUKE 19:27  BUT  THOSE  MINE  ENEMIES  WHICH  WOULD  NOT  THAT  I  SHOULD  REIGN  OVER  THEM  BRING  HITHER  AND  SLAY  THEM  BEFORE  ME  

EPHESIANS 6:17  AND  TAKE  THE  HELMET  OF  SALVATION  AND  THE  SWORD  OF  THE  SPIRIT  WHICH  IS  THE  WORD  OF  GOD 

JOHN 3:25  THE  FATHER  LOVETH  THE  SON  AND  HATH  --GIVEN  ALL  THINGS--  INTO  HIS  HAND

 

JOHN 8:12  then spake  JESUS  again unto them saying  I  am the light of the world ---HE  THAT  FOLLOWETH  ME--- shall not walk in darkness but shall have the light of life 

2 CORINTHIANS 6:14  be you not unequally yoked together with unbelievers for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness and what communion hath light with darkness 

PSALM 119:130  the entrance of thy words giveth light it giveth understanding unto the simple

JOB 38:2  who is this that darkeneth counsel with words without knowledge 

 

2 TIMOTHY 2:7  consider what I say and  THE  LORD  give thee understanding in --ALL  THINGS--

1 TIMOTHY 2:5  for there is one  GOD  and one mediator between  GOD  and men  THE  MAN  JESUS  CHRIST

JOHN 10:14  I am the good shepherd and know my sheep and am known of mine 

 

*******JOHN 10:26  BUT  YOU  BELIEVE  NOT  BECAUSE  YOU  ARE  NOT  OF  MY  SHEEP  AS  I  SAID  UNTO  YOU*******

JOHN 8:45  AND  BECAUSE  I  TELL  YOU  THE  TRUTH  YOU  BELIEVE  ME  NOT 

 

*******JOHN 8:47  HE  THAT  IS  OF  GOD  HEARETH  GODS  WORDS  YOU  THEREFORE  HEAR  THEM  NOT  BECAUSE  YOU  ARE  NOT  OF  GOD*******

 

JOHN 8:51  verily  verily  I say unto you --IF-- a man keep --MY  SAYING-- he shall never see death

 

ISAIAH 42:8  I  AM  THE  LORD  THAT  IS  MY  NAME  AND --MY  GLORY-- WILL  I  NOT  GIVE  TO  ANOTHER ---  neither  MY  praise to graven images 

 

HEBREWS 7:22  by so much was  JESUS  made a surety of a better testament  --7:23-- and they truly were many priests because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death

---7:24--- BUT  THIS  MAN  BECAUSE  HE  CONTINUETH  EVER  ******* HATH  AN  UNCHANGEABLE  PRIESTHOOD *******

 

UNCHANGEABLE  PRIESTHOOD

JOHN 6:63  IT  IS  THE  SPIRIT  THAT  QUICKENETH  THE  FLESH  PROFITETH  NOTHING  THE  WORDS  THAT  I  SPEAK  UNTO  YOU  THEY  ARE  SPIRIT  AND  THEY  ARE  LIFE  

JOHN 14:6  JESUS  SAITH  UNTO  HIM  I  AM  THE  WAY  THE  TRUTH  AND  THE  LIFE  NO  MAN  COMETH  UNTO  THE  FATHER  BUT  BY   ---ME---

2 THESSALONIANS  2:10  AND  WITH  ALL  DECEIVEABLENESS  OF  UNRIGHTEOUSNESS  IN  THEM  --THAT  PERISH--  BECAUSE  THEY  RECEIVED  NOT  THE  LOVE  OF  THE  TRUTH  THAT  THEY  MIGHT  BE  SAVED

UNCHANGEABLE  PRIESTHOOD 

 

LOVING  THE  LORD  JESUS  CHRIST

[steve morrow]

LOVE --- NOT  AN  EMPTY  WORD

LUKE 6:30  give to every man that asketh of thee and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again  --6:31--  and as you would that men should do to you do you also to them likewise  --6:32--  for if you love them which love you what thank have you for sinners also love those that love them  --6:33--  and if you do good to them which do good to you what thank have for sinners also do even the same  --6:34--  and if you lend to them of whom you hope to receive what thank have you for sinners also lend to sinners to receive as much again 

--6:35--  BUT  LOVE  YOU  YOUR  ENEMIES  AND  DO  GOOD  AND  LEND  ---  HOPING  FOR  NOTHING  AGAIN --- and your reward shall be great and you shall be the children of the highest for  HE  is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil

 

PROVERBS 22:2  THE  RICH  AND  THE  POOR  MEET  TOGETHER  THE  LORD  IS  THE  MAKER  OF  THEM  ALL

 

1 JOHN 3:17  BUT  WHOSO  HATH  THIS  WORLDS  GOOD  AND  SEETH  HIS  BROTHER  HAVE  NEED  AND  SHUTTETH  UP  HIS  BOWELS  OF  COMPASSION  FROM  HIM  ---HOW  DWELLETH  THE  LOVE  OF  GOD  IN  HIM

 

LOVING  THE  LORD  JESUS  CHRIST 

 

[Omegaman 3.0]

On 10/14/2020 at 9:51 PM, Jedi4Yahweh said:

Jesus our Messiah:

• Then one said to Him [Jesus], "Lord, are there few who are saved?" And He said to them, "Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able. "When once the Master of the house has risen up and shut the door, and you begin to stand outside and knock at the door, saying, 'Lord, Lord, open for us,' and He will answer and say to you, 'I do not know you, where you are from,' "then you will begin to say, 'We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets.' "But He will say, 'I tell you I do not know you, where you are from. Depart from Me, all you workers of iniquity.' "There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, and yourselves thrust out. "They will come from the east and the west, from the north and the south, and sit down in the kingdom of God. "And indeed there are last who will be first, and there are first who will be last." [Luk 13:23-30 NKJV]
• Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it. [Mat 7:21-27 KJV]
• And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say? [Luk 6:46 KJV]
• If you love me, you will keep my commandments. ... Whoever has my commandments and keeps them, he it is who loves me. And he who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and manifest myself to him." - Jhn 14:15, 21 ESV

Apostle John:

• Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. He who says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. ... Brethren, I write no new commandment to you, but an old commandment which you have had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word which you heard from the beginning. - 1Jo 2:3-4, 7 NKJV
• If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him. - 1Jo 2:29 KJV
• Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. ... In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother. - 1Jo 3:7, 10 KJV
• Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him and He in him. And by this, we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. - 1Jo 3:22-24 NKJV

Apostle Peter:

• Then Peter opened [his] mouth, and said, Of a truth, I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: But in every nation, he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him. - Act 10:34-35 KJV
• For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known [it], to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog [is] turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire. [2Pe 2:20-22 KJV]

James Brother of Jesus:

• But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man observing his natural face in a mirror; for he observes himself, goes away, and immediately forgets what kind of man he was. But he who looks into the perfect law of liberty and continues [in it], and is not a forgetful hearer but a doer of the work, this one will be blessed in what he does. - Jas 1:22-25 NKJV
• Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. [Jas 2:24 KJV]

Book of Revelations (John):

• And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. - Rev 12:17 NKJV
• Here is the patience of the saints; here [are] those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus. - Rev 14:12 NKJV
• Blessed [are] those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. - Rev 22:14 NKJ

Paul:

• Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. - 1Co 6:9-10 KJV
• Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are [these]; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. - Gal 5:19-21 KJV

 

 

 

Nope, it has not been my experience that those passages are avoided. If I thought that was the case, I would find another church. Happily. in my area (southern California) Bible believing churches are commonplace. Maybe I have just been fortunate, but I have never needed to leave a church because of bad or inadequate teaching/preaching. I would suggest though that as a practice, it is good to seek churches whose fasion is it to do expository preaching, not so much preaching of topics or news driven sermons etc. The whole council of God, comes from His word, not the whims of preachers. 

[steve morrow]

BIBLE  BELIEVING 

---I  NEVER  KNEW  YOU--- 

1 JOHN 2:3  and hereby we do know that we know--- HIM ---IF  WE  KEEP  HIS  COMMANDMENTS---

--2:4-- he that saith I know  HIM  and keepeth not  HIS  commandments ---IS  A  LIAR  AND  THE  TRUTH  IS  NOT  IN  HIM---

JOHN 14:15  --IF-- YOU  LOVE  ME  KEEP  MY  COMMANDMENTS 

MATTHEW 22:37  JESUS  SAID  UNTO  HIM  THOU  SHALT  LOVE  THE  LORD  THY  GOD  WITH  ALL  THY  HEART  AND  WITH  ALL  THY  SOUL  AND  WITH  ALL  THY  MIND  

 

 1 CORINTHIANS  16:22  IF  ANY  MAN  LOVE  NOT  THE  LORD  JESUS  CHRIST  LET  HIM  BE  ANATHEMA  MARANATHA 

 

PROVERBS 28:9  HE  THAT  TURNETH  AWAY  HIS  EAR  FROM  HEARING  THE  LAW  EVEN  HIS  PRAYER  SHALL  BE  ABOMINATION 

ROMANS 8:2  FOR  THE  LAW  OF  THE  SPIRIT  OF  LIFE  IN  CHRIST  JESUS  HATH  MADE  ME  FREE  FROM  THE  LAW  OF  SIN  AND  DEATH

 

LOVING  THE  LORD  JESUS  CHRIST