Creation Etc.

[JohnR7]

12 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

The earth void and without form?  No man?  sky black?  We are told nothing of this in coming in a future event.  At least not that I have found.  

 Matthew 24:29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken"

The earth void and without form we find the exact same words in Genesis 1:2 & Jeremiah 4:23. Any help we can get because there are very few words used in Genesis. 

[JohnR7]

19 hours ago, BeyondET said:

You do believe in astronomy

 

 

There is a difference between astronomy and astrology. 

[Riverwalker]

I still can't understand why people think that God, when he Decided to create man would go through this long laborious process when He could just speak things into existant

When Jesus turned water into wine, he didn't take the water, and hydrate the grape seedling, then wait for the vine to grow, blossom and eventually bear fruit.  Then take that fruit, crush it, filter strain it and age it,  and then show back up at the wedding feast 2 years later with the wine

You want wine....poof it's wine

You want light? Let there be light and there was light

 

It is only our limited thinking that requires God to jump through all these hoops

 

Edited May 4, 2021 by Riverwalker

[abcdef]

On 4/30/2021 at 10:04 PM, JohnR7 said:

They could figure out the time and place where they would find Jesus. That is more than we can do today. We do not seem to know for sure when He was born but I do tend to go along with Bishop Ussher. They believe this coincides with when God put Adam in the garden of Eden and how Adam fell into sin 33 years later. 

Some think that the kings from the east had the book of Daniel and had computed the 70 weeks and the appearance of Jesus. It is strange how the powers in authority couldn't calculate the time and prophecies also.

 

[abcdef]

1 hour ago, Riverwalker said:

I still can't understand why people think that God, when he Decided to create man would go through this long laborious process when He could just speak things into existant

When Jesus turned water into wine, he didn't take the water, and hydrate the grape seedling, then wait for the vine to grow, blossom and eventually bear fruit.  Then take that fruit, crush it, filter strain it and age it,  and then show back up at the wedding feast 2 years later with the wine

You want wine....poof it's wine

You want light? Let there be light and there was light

 

It is only our limited thinking that requires God to jump through all these hoops

 

Why create the material world at all? Why not just create souls in heaven without going through all these thousands of years of misery and death? Why allow sin to exist? Why would Jesus have to die?

You say that every thing just popped into existence and you are right, using the eternal timeline viewpoint, our entire universe is just a moment in eternity. But from the limited timeline of men it is millions of years.

God is patient, He is not in a hurry, He has all eternity.

God is creating a special people for himself, Israel.

And yet, He has taken thousands of years to do so. Israel, the vine, the fig tree, all growing, branches being broken off, branches being grafted in, producing fruit for the harvest, how long and patient has God been to produce the fruit of human souls for His eternal kingdom?

Why not just "pop" souls into the kingdom of heaven and be done with it? No creation of the material world would be necessary.

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Edited May 4, 2021 by abcdef

[OneLight]

19 minutes ago, abcdef said:

Why create the material world at all? Why not just create souls in heaven without going through all these thousands of years of misery and death? Why allow sin to exist? Why would Jesus have to die?

You say that every thing just popped into existence and you are right, using the eternal timeline viewpoint, our entire universe is just a moment in eternity. But from the limited timeline of men it is millions of years.

God is patient, He is not in a hurry, He has all eternity.

God is creating a special people for himself, Israel.

And yet, He has taken thousands of years to do so. Israel, the vine, the fig tree, all growing, branches being broken off, branches being grafted in, producing fruit for the harvest, how long and patient has God been to produce the fruit of human souls for His eternal kingdom?

Why not just "pop" souls into the kingdom of heaven and be done with it? No creation of the material world would be necessary.

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Short answer ... True love needs to be a choice.

[BeyondET]

2 hours ago, Riverwalker said:

I still can't understand why people think that God, when he Decided to create man would go through this long laborious process when He could just speak things into existant

When Jesus turned water into wine, he didn't take the water, and hydrate the grape seedling, then wait for the vine to grow, blossom and eventually bear fruit.  Then take that fruit, crush it, filter strain it and age it,  and then show back up at the wedding feast 2 years later with the wine

You want wine....poof it's wine

You want light? Let there be light and there was light

 

It is only our limited thinking that requires God to jump through all these hoops

 

People I’m sure feel the same it’s limited thinking that requires God to jump through hoops to create the universe and everything in it quickly in 6/24 hr days.

When we know He lives a Eternal Life where time is not a factor why create anything fast. To prove it can be done to human who wasn’t even there.

Why stretch it out 6 Days, I know God is capable of creating the whole universe and everything in it in One second like changing water to wine but why drag it the wine making out over 6 days?.

Genesis 1:1

God created the universe and everything in it including man, It took six days and God rested on the seventh day.

Edited May 4, 2021 by BeyondET

[BeyondET]

5 hours ago, JohnR7 said:

There is a difference between astronomy and astrology. 

Yup I do, and astrology is based off of star cluster movements in night sky. I’m not saying God added a bunch of stuff to it man does that. It was for seasons, people long ago use them for months of a year, specially maritime peoples.

Edited May 4, 2021 by BeyondET

[DeighAnn]

15 hours ago, JohnR7 said:

Sorry I should have given a Bible reference Matthew 24:29 "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken"

Because of a dream I had of the bottomless pit I believe this is a reference to a volcano. 

Problem is there are still 'men' as opposed to NO man.  And the earth doesn't mourn.  The powers of heaven are shaken sure,  but all the cities of the earth are not destroyed.  

 

[Riverwalker]

57 minutes ago, abcdef said:

Why create the material world at all? Why not just create souls in heaven without going through all these thousands of years of misery and death? Why allow sin to exist? Why would Jesus have to die?

God could have created more angels to be sure.  But what he wanted was a family of people who CHOOSE to be with Him and this life is our proving ground. Those who will accept the Lord and make Him the Lord will go on to eternity with Him. Those who don't, won't. Our willingness is key here, and for use to be able to choose life, the opposite choice had to be available, thus the tree of the knowledge of good and evil

Deuteronomy 30:19

I call heaven and earth as witnesses today against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; therefore choose life, 

Edited May 4, 2021 by Riverwalker