Our Image

[Dennis1209]

Genesis 1:26 (KJV) And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. [emphasis added]

When God spoke "let us", whom do you suppose His audience was? Why would a triune God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit; all being omnicompetent; omnipotent; and omnipresent, [all equal] talk among themselves? Do you think this is the Trinity talking between themselves, one over the other, as seems to be the traditional belief? Or could the Lord be talking to a group of other heavenly beings?

In our image, after our likeness - or "imagers". In this context, what's your view on what an imager and likeness is? The ability for critical thinking; reasoning; free will and choice; emotions; etc. Think on this pertaining to abortion and undeveloped fetuses. Are those fetuses yet imagers of God at their stage of development, with the preceding example? What about those born autistic and mental defects, are they imagers too? I believe at the very instant of conception, we become imagers of God. By effigy; could one conclude we are murdering God [imagers] by abortions, euthanasia, assisted suicide ?

Question: Could an imager be a representative and ambassador for God in His absence; to do His work and will on earth until the Kingdom arrives?

Just some complex and non traditional thoughts I'm pondering; what's yours??? 

 

[TheBlade]

Hey well there are none in heaven like the great I am. It would seem you are looking at this through the eyes of flesh. By that I mean I am out side with a bunch of people and say "let us all go to the park".  So what was written before this? After his kind, after their kind. Then GOD says let us make man in "our" image after "OUR" likeness. Who in all creation is made in His image and His likeness? Only one.. man.  No one in all creation is like man.

With a lie I believe is based on a truth. You will be like God.. a truth. Satan is not like God. Jesus said if you seen me you seen the Father. When He said they are one.. they are ONE yet there is Jesus and there is the Father. And there is a sweet holy Spirit. And a God talked to Jesus.. Jesus prayed to the Father. Jesus has a throne.. Isa 41:10.. right hand of righteousness? Hmm who could that be. So yea.. it is as its written "let us". There was no one else like Him.. just Christ.. Holy spirit.. anyway. Not the best with words forgive me. So much is based on speculation.. fun to run with yet in the end its not written.

[missmuffet]

17 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

Genesis 1:26 (KJV) And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. [emphasis added]

When God spoke "let us", whom do you suppose His audience was? Why would a triune God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit; all being omnicompetent; omnipotent; and omnipresent, [all equal] talk among themselves? Do you think this is the Trinity talking between themselves, one over the other, as seems to be the traditional belief? Or could the Lord be talking to a group of other heavenly beings?

In our image, after our likeness - or "imagers". In this context, what's your view on what an imager and likeness is? The ability for critical thinking; reasoning; free will and choice; emotions; etc. Think on this pertaining to abortion and undeveloped fetuses. Are those fetuses yet imagers of God at their stage of development, with the preceding example? What about those born autistic and mental defects, are they imagers too? I believe at the very instant of conception, we become imagers of God. By effigy; could one conclude we are murdering God [imagers] by abortions, euthanasia, assisted suicide ?

Question: Could an imager be a representative and ambassador for God in His absence; to do His work and will on earth until the Kingdom arrives?

Just some complex and non traditional thoughts I'm pondering; what's yours??? 

 

You lost me here. 

[Dennis1209]

18 hours ago, missmuffet said:

You lost me here. 

"And God said"; whom who God speaking to?

[missmuffet]

5 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

"And God said"; whom who God speaking to?

Ok, God is talking to God the Son and God the Holy Spirit since They have always been in existence. 

[Justin Adams]

3 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

Ok, God is talking to God the Son and God the Holy Spirit since They have always been in existence. 

The Godhead needs no information. It knows instantly. God is talking to His Divine Council, like when He said, 'let us go down and confuse their languages' during the Babel scattering.

[Michael37]

On 10/24/2020 at 1:10 PM, Dennis1209 said:

Genesis 1:26 (KJV) And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. [emphasis added]

When God spoke "let us", whom do you suppose His audience was? Why would a triune God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit; all being omnicompetent; omnipotent; and omnipresent, [all equal] talk among themselves? Do you think this is the Trinity talking between themselves, one over the other, as seems to be the traditional belief? Or could the Lord be talking to a group of other heavenly beings?

In our image, after our likeness - or "imagers". In this context, what's your view on what an imager and likeness is? The ability for critical thinking; reasoning; free will and choice; emotions; etc. Think on this pertaining to abortion and undeveloped fetuses. Are those fetuses yet imagers of God at their stage of development, with the preceding example? What about those born autistic and mental defects, are they imagers too? I believe at the very instant of conception, we become imagers of God. By effigy; could one conclude we are murdering God [imagers] by abortions, euthanasia, assisted suicide ?

Question: Could an imager be a representative and ambassador for God in His absence; to do His work and will on earth until the Kingdom arrives?

Just some complex and non traditional thoughts I'm pondering; what's yours??? 

Hi Dennis. You must know this is a FAQ.  The use of the Hebrew plural 'ĕlôhı̂ym signifies the supremacy of the One who is God. In similar fashion the use of we at times in English is used in a superlative sense, such as the royal we famously attributed to Queen Victoria in the quote "We are not amused".

Furthermore, Dennis, as you may have observed, the first 2 verses of the Bible begin the progressive revelation that continues throughout. Here we have God as Creator, and also God as Spirit. 

Gen 1:1-2  In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.  (2)  And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

By Genesis 3:8 we have God walking, talking, and being a Presence.

Gen 3:8  And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.

The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are in view when God says, "Let us make man in our own image," and this is confirmed later in the NT.

Eph 3:9  And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world has been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
1Jn 5:7  For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

To be made in God's image is to be the representation of what He has imagined. To me this is as simple as it gets but many struggle with it as being something more complex . . . unnecessarily I believe.

[Dennis1209]

21 hours ago, Justin Adams said:

The Godhead needs no information. It knows instantly. God is talking to His Divine Council, like when He said, 'let us go down and confuse their languages' during the Babel scattering.

I was just about to answer that, thanks.

[Dennis1209]

14 hours ago, Michael37 said:

The use of the Hebrew plural 'ĕlôhı̂ym signifies the supremacy of the One who is God. In similar fashion the use of we at times in English is used in a superlative sense, such as the royal we famously attributed to Queen Victoria in the quote "We are not amused".

Correction: In layman's terms, 'ĕlôhı̂ym means nothing more than a spirit, non flesh. Our Lord is the Most High, there's none like Him; He's above and distinguished from every other 'ĕlôhı̂ym spirit. He's the creator of everything 'ĕlôhı̂ym. I'll site a few of many examples for brevity of ʾělō·hîm: 

1 Samuel 28:13 (KJV) And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods ascending out of the earth. ]emphasis added: gods (lowercase) ʾělō·hîm]

1 Kings 11:5 (KJV) For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites. [emphasis added: goddess (lowercase) ʼĕlôhîym]

Deuteronomy 5:7 (KJV) Thou shalt have none other gods before me. [emphasis added: (lowercase); gods; ʼĕlôhîym]

Daniel 11:8 (KJV) And shall also carry captives into Egypt their gods, with their princes, and with their precious vessels of silver and of gold; and he shall continue more years than the king of the north. [emphasis added: gods (lowercase); ʼĕlôhîym].

Are we still in disagreement? If so, please tell me my err and your view? If not, I'd like to discuss the rest of your post and view. Good discussion by the way!

[Justin Adams]

If one has a Divine Council world view, much of the Tanakh and the later writings make sense. If not, then popularist confusion abounds. Elohim are spirits, yet there is on ONE God that we call haElohim, haShem, Adoni, YHWH etc. 

It is all very simple if we get rid of the later Augustinian and RCC flavors and have a Deut 32 worldview of what is really happening and why.

We are made in God's Image. We are Imagers and should deport ourselves in a Godly manner as if God were present. We are to be and act as He would do and fulfill the roles of Sons and Daughters of The Most High.