Psalm 83, Ezekiel 38 and the Encircling Foes of Israel

[Revelation Man]

On 11/3/2020 at 6:30 AM, Diaste said:

I have  heard this same thing so many times over the last 40 years and it's always changing. Scripture says nothing about the League of Nations, the UN, the EEC, the EU, or any other such organization or group. This speculation arises from the idea of the 10 nations of the beast confederation and people go about making up scenarios to satisfy this.

 

Russia, Turkey and Iran will get defeated on the Mt. of God. Common sense tells one that this can't be the Anti-Christ coalition, he defeats Israel and the whole Mediterranean Sea Region. As per the E.U. and the 10 I guess you are talking about the rest of my post and not the portion you quoted. 

The Bible clearly says the 10 ARISES out of the Head of the Fourth Beast, can't you understand what that means? I mean its obvious, he arises out of Europe, where Rome was at. Rome's land mass is identical to the E.U. + those nations that Daniel 11:40-43 says he Conquers. IDENTICAL. 

The 10 means COMPLETE, thus it means all of the European Kingdoms which are divided like Iron & Clay which will not combine. Picking an understanding instead of being led there, then allowing bias to overcome reality, always leads us down cul-de-sacs brother. These Muslims are nothing, nor can they ever be a power, it doesn't even make any sense at all when looking at the facts. What it does is takes a few teachers who jumped in when these terrorists groups started up and when 9/11 went down, they then point people in the wrong direction, with wrong conclusions, and they get followers who refuse to look at all the facts. I saw these same types in the 80s with the "whole the RCC & Pope are the Harlot and False Prophet" movement. It doesn't fit in either case. I see a lot of people today who were on the RCC & Pope bandwagon, who are now on the Islamic Beast bandwagon. 

On 11/3/2020 at 6:30 AM, Diaste said:

The Truth says the rise of the beast is thus:

"One of the heads of the beast appeared to be mortally wounded. But the mortal wound was healed, and the whole world marveled and followed the beast. They worshiped the dragon who had given authority to the beast, and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast, and who can wage war against it?”"

This could be literally anyone who fits the above and has zero to do with global cabals. Maybe the beast is a part of a global cadre of evil, scripture doesn't say this is the case and renders moot the rest of the arguments you advance.

You are not grasping what the above means. These Atheists do not start SERVING Satan. They are doing it NOW, but they do not think, in most cases, that Satan even exists, God is showing us "THEIR HEART" serves evil. They don't just start worshiping Satan, they worship him/ADORE HIM via the actions of their hearts !! So, if I live in lets say Washington D.C. today, and I am a Deep State Crook, who loves abortion, believes in homosexual marriage and cheating on my wife or an open marriage, etc. etc. I would be gloryfying the D.C. Gov. Beast and worshiping Satan NOW via my ACTIONS. You guys read these verses and you do not grasp the way its written, its not literal, its PROSE brother. 

The ABOVE is speaking about a FIGURATIVE SEVEN HEADED Beast that rules over Israel from Egypt, to Assyria, to Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome, its not a REAL ENTITY !! Its a bunch of kingdoms from the past, EXCEPT Rome, which God tells John, ROME IS.......

Rev. 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

If one is.......It has to be Rome, thus when Rome is no more that has to be the Mortal Wound of the..........COUGH..........FIGURATIVE 7 HEADED Beast. Then, when the Anti-Christ ARISES after this FIGURATIVE 7 HEADED Beast has not been around for nigh 2000 years (there was no Israel, thus there could be NO BEAST, its that simple), then and only then will the Seven Headed Beast be HEALED from its MORTAL WOUND. 

And, it can't be anyone, it can only be a MAN, born in Greece, who is of Assyrian (Turkish) descent, who comes to power in the E.U. These are just facts brother.

On 11/3/2020 at 6:30 AM, Diaste said:

Scripture does not say this. The beast comes from one of the four Generals of Alexander that consolidated the Grecian kingdom after the murder of Alexander. That could be Greece, Egypt, Turkey or the Mideast. My bet is on the Mideast as the beast is called the Assyrian and Dan 11 follows the Seleucid line, of which kingdom both Syria and the ancient land of Assyria were a part.

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On this we agree, this is why we get the King of the North vs. the KOTS over and over in Daniel 11. But then you have to follow the clues brother, without regard to biases. The clues tell us where he comes from in Dan. 8.

Dan. 8:9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

So, he WAXES GREAT TOWARDS the South, TOWARDS the East and TOWARDS Israel. This is simple to follow brother, if we just leave our preconditions at home.

How can you Conquer TOWARDS the East if you are Turkey? You can't !!How can you Conquer TOWARDS the South if you are Egypt? You cant !! I just doesn't FIT brother. He Conquers TOWARDS the East (Greece fits), TOWARDS the South (Greece fits) and TOWARDS Israel (Greece fits). There IS NO PART of the Divided Four Kingdoms that is East of Turkey. The all battles have to be in the midst of these Four Kingdoms.

God gave us a RIDDLE within a RIDDLE here. Many were looking in the Roman Kingdoms only, many were looking in the Greek Kingdoms ONLY. I looked at this and said, hold up, BOTH can be true and must be true, AND that would keep anyone from understanding this until the end times, when we understand that Greece is a part of a Nation called the European Union, which will be INDENTICAL to the Fourth Beast on a map, once Daniel 11:40-43 is fulfilled. ALL THAT FITS. 

Greece (Macedonia) is the KOTN, not Seleucus (Turkey now). Turkey CAN NOT WAX Great to the East unless they Conquer Russia !! So that's a big fail. It does not fit. 

He is an Assyrian, Turkey has a common border with Greece, MANY Turks live in Greece, his blood will be Assyrian, his Genealogy will be Greece, that is why we get the whole RUN DOWN in Daniel 11 on all the Greek Kings and we get his TYPE in Antiochus Epiphanes. We are shown he will be a Greek just like Antiochus, but he will have Assyrian (Turkish Blood). And a Greek can come to power in the E.U. I have had this figured out for at least 5 years or so.

The battles of the North vs. South kings is a build up to this END TIME Beast. He Conquers Egypt and all of North Africa. The E.U. currently has 7 year agreements with Israel, Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, Tunisia, Libya, Jordan, Palestine, and Morocco etc. etc. Everything is in place for the Anti-Christ as we speak.

On 11/3/2020 at 6:30 AM, Diaste said:

We do know who they are? I don't think so...

 

Sure we do, they are listed by name, and we know who those names represent. The Gog and Magog War is NOT the Anti-Christ War/Armageddon.

On 11/3/2020 at 6:30 AM, Diaste said:

Put is Libya but also Tunisia and parts of Algeria. So I don't know where this no common border thing comes from. The Lord is speaking to His idea of the nations based on where He set the bounds of their habitations and that's based on the people who settled in the region, Cush and Put in Africa. 

 

Put is Libya but also Tunisia and parts of Algeria. So I don't know where this no common border thing comes from. The Lord is speaking to His idea of the nations based on where He set the bounds of their habitations and that's based on the people who settled in the region, Cush and Put in Africa. 

Only Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and Egypt have COMMON BORDDERS with Israel.

On 11/3/2020 at 6:30 AM, Diaste said:

Scripture does not say such a thing. But you go....

Yes it does, God defeats Gog and Magog on the Mt. of God (Jerusalem) not at Armageddon (Meggido plains). Israel burns their weapons for 7 years after this war, I don't think they are really BURNING WEAPONS I think it hints at a FORCED Peace Deal with this E.U. King. He sorta plays good cop bad cop in the region, they all trust him. He will betray them all, even these Muslim nations. He will forbid ALL RELIGIOUS WORSHIP, save Beast Worship. Rev. 13 tells us that. Its not a bunch of Muslims !! It doesn't fit brother. Its just another head fake, like the RCC/Pope was.

 

Edited November 12, 2020 by Revelation Man

[Diaste]

On 11/10/2020 at 6:23 PM, Revelation Man said:

These Muslims are nothing, nor can they ever be a power, 

Right. 1.8 billion Muslims of the Islamic faith. Estimated that 10-15% are Jihadists and looking to impose Sharia law on the world. That's 180-270 million people that are willing to kill anyone opposing Sharia law. What potential power is greater than that? Rome doesn't even exist and the Muslim world does. It has been estimated that upwards of 60% of all Muslims of the Islamic faith support Sharia law. Not a power; that's delusional.

On 11/10/2020 at 6:23 PM, Revelation Man said:

You are not grasping what the above means. These Atheists do not start SERVING Satan. They are doing it NOW, but they do not think, in most cases, tat Satan even exists, God is showing us "THEIR HEART" serves evil. They don't just start worshiping Satan, they worship him/ADORE HIM via the actions of their hearts !! So, if I live in say Washington D.C. today, and I am a Deep State Crook, who loves abortion, believe in homosexual marriage and cheating on my wife or an open marriage, etc. etc. I would be gloryfying the D.C. Gov. Beast and worshiping Satan NOW via my ACTIONS. You guys read these verses and you do not grasp the way its written, its not literal, its PROSE brother. 

Missing the point. It's the whole world that follows the beast. That will include the masses that follow the televangelists and mega church pastors. 

And again, prose is everyday normal speech. Do mean poetic? Song? Verse? Allegory? 

On 11/10/2020 at 6:23 PM, Revelation Man said:

The ABOVE is speaking about a FIGURATIVE SEVEN HEADED Beast that rules over Israel from Egypt, to Assyria, to Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome, its not a REAL ENTITY !! Its a bunch of kingdoms from the past, EXCEPT Rome, which God tells John, ROME IS.......

Tiresome. There is no justification for adding Egypt or Assyria to the nations of the Dan 2 statue. That's some ridiculous pretrib thing and it's false.

On 11/10/2020 at 6:23 PM, Revelation Man said:

Rev. 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

If one is.......It has to be Rome, thus when Rome is no more that has to be the Mortal Wound of the..........COUGH..........FIGURATIVE 7 HEADED Beast. Then, when the Anti-Christ ARISES after this FIGURATIVE 7 HEADED Beast has not been around for nigh 2000 years (there was no Israel, thus there could be NO BEAST, its that simple), then and only then will the Seven Headed Beast be HEALED from its MORTAL WOUND. 

'One is' has to be Rome only in the pretrib doctrine. The language in Rev 17:10 does not suggest a past fulfillment as the prophecy is of the future.

The succession of the 7 kings could happen at any time as long as the prophecy is fulfilled to the letter. A king that 'is' can fulfill the prophecy as long as the 5 previous have fallen, which is not limited to any particular time/space moment.

Again, a false conclusion.

On 11/10/2020 at 6:23 PM, Revelation Man said:

And, it can't be anyone, it can only be a MAN, born in Greece, who is of Assyrian (Turkish) descent, who comes to power in the E.U. These are just facts brother.

On this we agree, this is why we get the King of the North vs. the KOTS over and over in Daniel 11. But then you have to follow the clues brother, without regard to biases. The clues tell us where he comes from in Dan. 8.

Dan. 8:9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

So, he WAXES GREAT TOWARDS the South, TOWARDS the East and TOWARDS Israel. This is simple to follow brother, if we just leave our preconditions at home.

How can you Conquer TOWARDS the East if you are Turkey? You can't !!How can you Conquer TOWARDS the South if you are Egypt? You cant !! I just doesn't FIT brother. He Conquers TOWARDS the East (Greece fits), TOWARDS the South (Greece fits) and TOWARDS Israel (Greece fits). 

The KOTN is assumed at best. I don't know if you get this or not but the cardinal directions work no matter where one is. So there is no land to the east of Turkey? Nothing to conquer south of Egypt? 

So if it's Greece then Israel is already south and the east. So this king conquers toward the south and toward the south and toward the east and toward the east? 

A much better fit would be a king in Babylon. 

On 11/10/2020 at 6:23 PM, Revelation Man said:

 

Greece (Macedonia) is the KOTN, not Seleucus (Turkey now). Turkey CAN NOT WAX Great to the East unless they Conquer Russia !! So that's a big fail. It does not fit. 

Greece is west. Asia Minor is the north, Ptolemy in the south and Seleucus in the east. Lysimachus ruled in the north after they conspired against Antigonus.  These directions are based on their location in relation to Israel. You have it wrong.

On 11/10/2020 at 6:23 PM, Revelation Man said:

 We are shown he will be a Greek just like Antiochus,

Wrong. Antiochus IV was a grandson of Seleucus Nicator and probably born in Babylon while certainly raised in Mesopotamia. 

On 11/10/2020 at 6:23 PM, Revelation Man said:

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Yes it does, God defeats Gog and Magog on the Mt. of God (Jerusalem) not at Armageddon (Meggido plains). Israel burns their weapons for 7 years after this war, I don't think they are really BURNING WEAPONS I think it hints at a FORCED Peace Deal with this E.U. King. He sorta plays good cop bad cop in the region, they all trust him. He will betray them all, even these Muslim nations. He will forbid ALL RELIGIOUS WORSHIP, save Beast Worship. Rev. 13 tells us that. Its not a bunch of Muslims !! It doesn't fit brother. Its just another head fake, like the RCC/Pope was.

 

Nope. Eze 38 war is the battle of Armageddon.

And I will summon a sword against Gog on all My mountains, declares the Lord GOD, and every man’s sword will be against his brother. 22I will execute judgment upon him with plague and bloodshed. I will pour out torrents of rain, hailstones, fire, and sulfur on him and on his troops and on the many nations with him. 23I will magnify and sanctify Myself, and will reveal Myself in the sight of many nations. Then they will know that I am the LORD. - Eze 38

 

 

[Revelation Man]

3 hours ago, Diaste said:

Right. 1.8 billion Muslims of the Islamic faith. Estimated that 10-15% are Jihadists and looking to impose Sharia law on the world. That's 180-270 million people that are willing to kill anyone opposing Sharia law. What potential power is greater than that? Rome doesn't even exist and the Muslim world does. It has been estimated that upwards of 60% of all Muslims of the Islamic faith support Sharia law. Not a power; that's delusional.

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And they have been seen as pipsqueaks for how long? God stated that the Church would not be overcome by Satan. Thus God gave the Christian Nations the type kings and thinkers to overcome these anti-Christian types. I do not understand why the AMOUNT OF PEOPLE means anything. India has 1.5 billion people, they could not harm the world in anyway, they would be squashed in about 5 seconds. China was ROLLED OVER by Japan in WW2. The Muslims do not have the capacity to conquer a mole hill brother. Which nation is going to do it?  I mean it doesn't even fit rational thinking brother. The bible SCREAMS at you this MAN is born in Greece, he has Assyrian (Turkish) blood AND he comes to power in the E.U. (Fourth Beasts Head). He has to have the ability to come into an AGREEMENT with the MANY, and THE MANY = Both Israel and the nations in the Mediterranean Sea Region. Israel may make agreements with their surrounding neighbors, but they would never disarm and let this MAN be over their protection. Lets me explain what actually happens and how this man TRICKS them all, the Muslims and Israel.

Israel makes peace with its neighbors, we see that now with these Trump Peace agreements. Other Muslim nations that are dead set against Israel's survival (Iran, and Turkey, seems some African nations) join league with Russia and try to defeat Israel, they get stopped on the Mt. of God by God or via God using weaponry via Israel, I don't know, all I know is their Armies get wiped out on the Mt. of God in Jerusalem. 

Anyway, now this E.U. Nation that all of these countries want to be a part of, or at least to be in the coalition with for trade etc. et., thus they have all signed AGREEMENTS via this "European Neighborhood Policy" as seen on Wikipedia. Once this Gog and Magog War is over, this MAN (Anti-Christ) is going to step in and FORCE (the word used in Dan. 9:27 as CONFIRM in the Hebrew actually means to FORCE through insolence) these nations into an AGREEMENT WITH HIM.........Not with each other !! They alreay have 7 Year Agreements with the E.U. but this MAN (The Anti-Christ) FORCES them to bend to his will, he threatens NO FURTHER TRADE with the E.U. (These 7 Year deals are pretty much glorified trade deals that are in effect now) and that would devastate North Africa and the whole Mediterranean Sea Region, they are also passing out 15 billion dollars to these nations over the course of 15 years, they GET USED to the money !! Israel plays in the European Division in Soccer already, they want to be a part of Europe so bad they can taste it, they want to be a member of the E.U. they see that as PROTECTION, just like Alabama sees our Washington D.C. Gov. as a protective entity, just like Idaho sees Washing D.C. as a protective entity, if Canada ever tried to invade Idaho, they would be in fir a rude awakening. 

So, people wonder why Israel trusts this MAN (Anti-Christ), well, it is because they think they are getting a guaranteed PROTECTOR, but instead they are getting a SNAKE IN THE GRASS who will Conquer them and the rest of the Mediterranean Sea Region. He (E.U.) could easily conquer North Africa, Lebanon, Syria etc. only Israel has Nukes, so how do you conquer Israel? You FORCE THEM to give up their Nuclear Weapons (BURN THEIR WEAPONS FOR 7 YEARS) in order to become a part of the E.U. the you attack them and the rest of the Mediterranean Sea Region.

So, after Russia, Turkey and Iran fail, Israel will feel the need to have a PROTECTOR like Idaho does so to speak, but of course its a CON JOB, see Dan. 8:25 he DESTROYS MANY by Peace. See Dan. 9:27 he makes AGREEMENTS WITH MANY. See Daniel 11:40-43, he conquers MANY NATIONS. Israel are not giving up their Nukes for any Arab/Muslim. Its going to be the E.U. President who deceives them, and that happens AFTER the Gog and Magog War.

Now again, tell me who fears India? Who fears these nothing Muslim Nations who have NO POWER. And who have NO ABILITY to get Israel to rid themselves of their Nukes? It just strains credulity that people ever really thought this as a real possibility, but it will sell books. 

4 hours ago, Diaste said:

Missing the point. It's the whole world that follows the beast. That will include the masses that follow the televangelists and mega church pastors. 

And again, prose is everyday normal speech. Do mean poetic? Song? Verse? Allegory? 

I think I explained this above, because I already knew why you thought this way. The whole world NOW FOLLOWS Satan, that is my point, you take a God's Holy point of view in the book of Revelation and don't understand, that is happening now the way God sees it. We have only 2 Billion Christians and only 1/2 are REAL Christians according to the 5 Brides make Heaven Parable, or the ONE is taken and ONE is left parable. So, out of 8 billion people we have 1 Billion true Christians, so God sees it now as the WHOLEVWORLD Follows Satan.

So, when it says the Worship the Beast (Anti-Christ) as their god AND the Dragon which gave him their power, its not those fools REALLY, REALLY kneeling down to Satan, they think Satan is a figment of Christians imagination, the way they Worship Satan (Dragon) is via their actions. Abortion (Sacrificing babies), Homosexual Marriage, via greed, via hate etc. etc. They Worship the Dragon in the way they live their lives. Their hearts are PRO EVIL. They don't just suddenly belive in a Satan and a God. They believe in Humanism, that is why they will worship a MAN as their god !!

 

4 hours ago, Diaste said:

Tiresome. There is no justification for adding Egypt or Assyria to the nations of the Dan 2 statue. That's some ridiculous pretrib thing and it's false.

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Of course there is, the bible is nothing f not consistent. They were BEASTS over Israel, both Egypt and Assyria, to pretend they were not doesn't make sense brother. So, when we are told here were 7 Heads to this Beasts, we need to understand, John is looking BACK IN TIME through history, at ALL THE BEASTS, whereas Gabriel showed Daniel the coming Beasts from his point in time on. The Beasts have ZERO to do with Pre Trib, which is also true by the way. To me, not getting that is a warning sign that people are not in tune the way they ought to be. Satan still seeks to confuse the masses, even Christians. And by the way, I really think people ought to be worried, 5 of the 10 brides do not make the Wedding !! For lack of the Holy Spirit. Now if people are not in tune, are they lacking the Holy Spirit? That is God's whole point in the parable, they do not have enough "OIL" in the Lamp to make it to the wedding.  I will let each man ask of himself this question. But there are going to be a lot of people who actually do have to go through the tribulation, at least half of Christians, according to the 10 Virgin Parable are not going to make the Wedding in Heaven. It is what it is.

4 hours ago, Diaste said:

'One is' has to be Rome only in the pretrib doctrine. The language in Rev 17:10 does not suggest a past fulfillment as the prophecy is of the future.

The succession of the 7 kings could happen at any time as long as the prophecy is fulfilled to the letter. A king that 'is' can fulfill the prophecy as long as the 5 previous have fallen, which is not limited to any particular time/space moment.

Again, a false conclusion.

Again, linking the pre trib with this makes no sense at all, I am sorry, it just doesn't even fit into the equation as per what is being spoken of. No one says that ROME IS has anything to do with FUTURE Prophecy, once again, you are off kilter in you analysis of my understandings. 

The 7 Kings are 6 Past Kings and one Future King. That is a fact. There is no plausible argument against it that isn't a waste of my time tbh. The King THAT IS could only be Rome.  Not knowing this is dangerous ground to tread on brother. Most people who can't get this has some agenda that no one agrees with. Like 4 Greek Kings etc. etc. There are all kind of wild theories, and none of them are correct, this is SIMPLE. Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia and Greece (5 Are fallen) Rome (AND ONE IS)............And ONE is yet to come (Anti-Christ). This is purely simplistic in nature brother, its not complicated at all. 

4 hours ago, Diaste said:

The KOTN is assumed at best. I don't know if you get this or not but the cardinal directions work no matter where one is. So there is no land to the east of Turkey? Nothing to conquer south of Egypt? 

So if it's Greece then Israel is already south and the east. So this king conquers toward the south and toward the south and toward the east and toward the east? 

A much better fit would be a king in Babylon.

This proves you don't get it brother? The whole battle is about the FOUR KINGDOMS, not anything else, even if the KOTN conquered all of the nations in the whole Norther Hemisphere and the KOTS conquered all the nations South of him, its still about those TWO KINGS in reference to each other. The King of the North Conquers Israel also, but that isn't THE POINT because any of the four could Conquer Israel, but only ONE, out of the Four can Conquer TOWARDS the South (of these Four Kingdoms) and TOWARDS the East (out of these Four Kingdoms). We all know ANYONE can conquer in NY direction, but the riddle is about the TUG OF WAR between these Four Kingdoms, the ONLY ONE that can conquer TOWARDS the East and TOWARDS the SOUTH is Macedonia (Greece). Babylon was not in the Four Kingdoms. 

Its a story about the STRUGGLE between these four Kingdoms left behind by Alexander the Great. The reason Israel is mentioned again is its what the whole bible is about, so naturally Israel is always going to be mentioned in any prophecy to clarify what is going on. So in this battle Israel will always be clarified, just like it was via Antiochus Epiphanes actions.

5 hours ago, Diaste said:

Greece is west. Asia Minor is the north, Ptolemy in the south and Seleucus in the east. Lysimachus ruled in the north after they conspired against Antigonus.  These directions are based on their location in relation to Israel. You have it wrong.

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Ummmm, no, you know I am right. This KOTN has to conquer from the Northwest in order to WAX GREAT TOWARDS the East and South.....and Israel. This is about a future event.

5 hours ago, Diaste said:

Wrong. Antiochus IV was a grandson of Seleucus Nicator and probably born in Babylon while certainly raised in Mesopotamia. 

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He was a Greek, from Antiochus. If I am born in England whilst my mom is on vacation at the 8th month, where am I a citizen of ? The USA as long as as that is where I am raised. All these red herings make no sense brother.

5 hours ago, Diaste said:

Nope. Eze 38 war is the battle of Armageddon.

And I will summon a sword against Gog on all My mountains, declares the Lord GOD, and every man’s sword will be against his brother. 22I will execute judgment upon him with plague and bloodshed. I will pour out torrents of rain, hailstones, fire, and sulfur on him and on his troops and on the many nations with him. 23I will magnify and sanctify Myself, and will reveal Myself in the sight of many nations. Then they will know that I am the LORD. - Eze 38

No its not, they burn weapons for 7 years after this war. Now please tell my why Jesus/God would need to do that since he is in charge? Armageddon is at Megiddo, not on the Mountain of God.