Why Is There Many Religious and Only One KJV Or Bible?

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22 hours ago, SwordMaster said:

I agree...and I often give others this verse when they take Paul out into the woodshed (so to speak) and assign false interpretations to his words.

 

On the contrary, every passage I gave emphatically state that the 10 Commandments are dead to the Christian walking in Christ. The only people the 10 Commandments hold sway over today are those who are not in Christ.

If you love Jesus you will keep his commandments (St. John 14:15)

 

22 hours ago, SwordMaster said:

 

Actually, the evidence shows that it is more likely Apollos that wrote Hebrews, not Paul. Secondly, the law is the law, period. When deciphering which law is meant we have to go to the context, and the context here tells anyone who is not allowing bias to interfere with their interpretation, that it is the main law. That main law, is the 10 Commandments. This is verified (again) by Paul, Apollos in other places, and Jesus. Don't let your bias discount key passages of God's Word...

Again Paul says in Hebrews 10: 1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. 2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. 3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. Paul is clearly talking about the of animal sacrifice. 

 

 

22 hours ago, SwordMaster said:

 

Yes...indeed...and you just proved my point. The old covenant AND EVERYTHING THAT CAME WITH IT, which includes the law of Moses, was abrogated by the New Covenant.

Again Paul says in (Rom. 7:7,12) (v.7) What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, THOU SHALT NOT COVET. Paul asked a question, is the law sin? He said God forbid, he said the only way that he knew what sin was, was by the law. (v.12) Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. Why in the world would a Christian want to do away with something that God said is holy. Not sure how this prove your point, looks like it goes against it.

 

 

 

22 hours ago, SwordMaster said:

 

Exactly what I already stated...the law is only good today for those who are not saved. The law teaches the sinner that he needs Christ. I specifically stated that the law of Moses is NOT applicable to those who are abiding in Christ. I did not state that it has no value whatsoever.

Paul said in (Rom. 3:23-25) (v.23) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. (v.24) Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: (v.25) Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God. So the bible tells you to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus. And by doing so you come up under his precious blood and then you are saved from your sins that are past, not present or future sins but for sins that are past. We were all locked under death by Adam’s sin, even the second death. But when Jesus became (he was God in the beginning) man and died for the sins of the world, he gave us access back to the tree of life (himself) which Adam had caused us to lose. That’s what grace is, our free gift our access back to the tree of life but that’s another lesson for another time. So by coming under the blood of Jesus you are saved from your past sins. And if you are saved now, it is on a day to day basis. Because all have sinned, and if you continue to live you will sin again. It is the willful sinning that you need to put in check, I can read that to you if needed.

 

22 hours ago, SwordMaster said:

 

Yes, I can...and the law of Moses has no place in the life of those who are in Christ, just as Scripture CLEARLY states in a number of places. If you think the law of Moses still has place over the Christian, then you are deceived and demonstrate that your bias is plaguing your interpretation of Scripture.

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Jesus made a clear statement for those who believe as you do...Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. (Matthew 5:17-19)

Now, if the Jesus said think not that I came to destroy the law, lets reason together, what do destroy mean; to take away, etc, right. So that simply means that the royal law is still on the table and the prophets, Jesus couldn't destroy the prophet because he had to fulfilled all of what the prophets wrote about him and what he had to do, plus Jesus second coming as well. Also all is not fulfilled, and so lets look at this again

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Have the earth pass away, is the heaven still out there?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I agree...and I often give others this verse when they take Paul out into the woodshed (so to speak) and assign false interpretations to his words.

 

On the contrary, every passage I gave emphatically state that the 10 Commandments are dead to the Christian walking in Christ. The only people the 10 Commandments hold sway over today are those who are not in Christ.

 

 

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If you love Jesus you will keep his commandments (St. John 14:15)

 

 

 

Yes, indeed, and what are His commandments? I gave them to you and you ignored them for your false ideology based in bias, not Scripture...

 

 

I John 3:23-24  And this is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, just as He has commanded us. Whoever keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He will abide in him, and by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

 

These two commandments are the covenant commandments of the new covenant, which abrogated and replaced the old covenant with its old commandments. You are correct, but you misapply the different laws and the covenants from which they came.

 

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Again Paul says in Hebrews 10: 1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. 2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. 3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. Paul is clearly talking about the of animal sacrifice. 

 

Actually, it was Apollos that wrote Hebrews, not Paul. And, the verse that you give above has absolutely nothing to do with the current discussion. Not even in the least bit.

 

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Again Paul says in (Rom. 7:7,12) (v.7) What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, THOU SHALT NOT COVET. Paul asked a question, is the law sin? He said God forbid, he said the only way that he knew what sin was, was by the law. (v.12) Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. Why in the world would a Christian want to do away with something that God said is holy. Not sure how this prove your point, looks like it goes against it.

 

The old law being sin is NOT the issue, not even in the least bit. You are making up strawman arguments to sidestep the issue at point here. Do you do that on purpose, or ...what?

As to your comment about "why in the world would a Christian want to do away with something ..." I guess you are not listening very well. A Christian didn't do away with it - Jesus Himself did...

 

Matthew 3:15  But Jesus answered him, "Let it be so now, because this is how we fulfill all righteousness." Then he consented.
 

Jesus was not a sinner, there was no reason for Him to receive a baptism for repentance. He was baptized for several different reasons, the first of which, was to fulfill all that was needed in order to abrogate the old covenant and its law. Just as all of the passages that I gave you at the first clearly state, which you ignore for no other reason than your bias. Scripture says what it says, and you denying what it says does not change the facts.

I ignored the majority of your other comments because they have absolutely NOTHING to do with the current conversation. 

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  On 11/14/2020 at 5:06 PM, SwordMaster said:

I agree...and I often give others this verse when they take Paul out into the woodshed (so to speak) and assign false interpretations to his words.

 

On the contrary, every passage I gave emphatically state that the 10 Commandments are dead to the Christian walking in Christ. The only people the 10 Commandments hold sway over today are those who are not in Christ.

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If you love Jesus you will keep his commandments (St. John 14:15)

 

  22 hours ago, SwordMaster said:

 

Actually, the evidence shows that it is more likely Apollos that wrote Hebrews, not Paul. Secondly, the law is the law, period. When deciphering which law is meant we have to go to the context, and the context here tells anyone who is not allowing bias to interfere with their interpretation, that it is the main law. That main law, is the 10 Commandments. This is verified (again) by Paul, Apollos in other places, and Jesus. Don't let your bias discount key passages of God's Word...

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Again Paul says in Hebrews 10: 1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. 2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. 3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. Paul is clearly talking about the of animal sacrifice. 

 

 

  22 hours ago, SwordMaster said:

 

Yes...indeed...and you just proved my point. The old covenant AND EVERYTHING THAT CAME WITH IT, which includes the law of Moses, was abrogated by the New Covenant.

Again Paul says in (Rom. 7:7,12) (v.7) What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, THOU SHALT NOT COVET. Paul asked a question, is the law sin? He said God forbid, he said the only way that he knew what sin was, was by the law. (v.12) Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. Why in the world would a Christian want to do away with something that God said is holy. Not sure how this prove your point, looks like it goes against it.

 

 

 

  22 hours ago, SwordMaster said:

 

Exactly what I already stated...the law is only good today for those who are not saved. The law teaches the sinner that he needs Christ. I specifically stated that the law of Moses is NOT applicable to those who are abiding in Christ. I did not state that it has no value whatsoever.

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Paul said in (Rom. 3:23-25) (v.23) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. (v.24) Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: (v.25) Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God. So the bible tells you to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus. And by doing so you come up under his precious blood and then you are saved from your sins that are past, not present or future sins but for sins that are past. We were all locked under death by Adam’s sin, even the second death. But when Jesus became (he was God in the beginning) man and died for the sins of the world, he gave us access back to the tree of life (himself) which Adam had caused us to lose. That’s what grace is, our free gift our access back to the tree of life but that’s another lesson for another time. So by coming under the blood of Jesus you are saved from your past sins. And if you are saved now, it is on a day to day basis. Because all have sinned, and if you continue to live you will sin again. It is the willful sinning that you need to put in check, I can read that to you if needed.

 

  22 hours ago, SwordMaster said:

 

Yes, I can...and the law of Moses has no place in the life of those who are in Christ, just as Scripture CLEARLY states in a number of places. If you think the law of Moses still has place over the Christian, then you are deceived and demonstrate that your bias is plaguing your interpretation of Scripture.

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Jesus made a clear statement for those who believe as you do...Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. (Matthew 5:17-19)

Now, if the Jesus said think not that I came to destroy the law, lets reason together, what do destroy mean; to take away, etc, right. So that simply means that the royal law is still on the table and the prophets, Jesus couldn't destroy the prophet because he had to fulfilled all of what the prophets wrote about him and what he had to do, plus Jesus second coming as well. Also all is not fulfilled, and so lets look at this again

 

 

Its evident that you don't know what the Greek text states, because what you give above, and your faulty reasoning, besets it...this is what the text states in Greek, which your version above bastardized:

 

Matthew 5:17-18  Do not think that I came to destroy the law or the prophets: I did not come to destroy, but to fulfill. Because truly I tell you, if heaven and earth perish, not one stroke of a pen or dot of an "i" will pass away without being fulfilled.

 

parerchomai (pass away), according to the grammar, the first appearance means "perish," while the second appearance means "to pass away without being fulfilled." The word for "until" (eos), when followed by the word av (if, perhaps), takes on the meaning of being purely probable, but NOT certain...in other words, here it means "IF."

This, in conjunction with what Jesus says later...

 

Luke 16:16  The Law and the Prophets were until John; since then the good news of the kingdom of God is preached, and everyone forces his way into it.

Something took place during John the Baptist's short ministry that ended the law of Moses, and the Messianic prophecies uttered in the OT - that something was Christ's baptism and the subsequent abrogation of it and the inauguration of the new covenant and its new law. You act like you know what you are talking about, but it is quite evident that you do not know as you should know, primarily, it seems, because you run your interpretation process through your bias.

 

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For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Have the earth pass away, is the heaven still out there?

 

Again, when we translate the Greek with its grammar intact, the text does not state that heaven and earth will pass away, that is NOT what Christ stated. Therefore, your spurious snarky question is moot.

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2 minutes ago, SwordMaster said:

Actually, it was Apollos that wrote Hebrews, not Paul. And, the verse that you give above has absolutely nothing to do with the current discussion. Not even in the least bit.

As far as I know, no one knows who authored Hebrews, but I tend to agree, it is a bit irrelevant.

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18 hours ago, anynmsfmly said:

Amen. I am considering getting a KJV Bible. It's written in Chronological order. May be a bit hard to read-folllow, But i like that it is written in Chronological order. God bless.

There are a few ways to consider chronological order, for example, the order in which they were written, or the order in which the events they portay take place. As far as I know, the KJV is not either of those, and even though there are Bibles specifically printed as chronological, they do not agree with each other. More important, is the accuracy, then read it in whatever order you want, but be aware that some books to relate to previous passages.

What we do know, is that the New Testament is after the Old Testament. One probably does not get the best New Testament experience, without the Old Testament background, Conversely, the New Testament is an inspired explanation and fulfillment of the Old Testament.

From that, I submit that it is best to read both testaments, and there is no reason to be rigid about the order, since one should be familiar with both. Read both 5 or 10 times, and you will find you are still learning and gaining understanding. I prefer to read in both, every day!

The KJV is a good translation, but I am far from being willing to suggest that it is the best version for a number of reasons. I like reading several versions at the same time, making notes of the minor differences that exist, then tracking down why these differences are there as I can.

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10 hours ago, SwordMaster said:

 

 

 

Yes, indeed, and what are His commandments? I gave them to you and you ignored them for your false ideology based in bias, not Scripture...

 

 

I John 3:23-24  And this is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, just as He has commanded us. Whoever keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He will abide in him, and by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

 

These two commandments are the covenant commandments of the new covenant, which abrogated and replaced the old covenant with its old commandments. You are correct, but you misapply the different laws and the covenants from which they came.

 

 

Actually, it was Apollos that wrote Hebrews, not Paul. And, the verse that you give above has absolutely nothing to do with the current discussion. Not even in the least bit.

 

 

The old law being sin is NOT the issue, not even in the least bit. You are making up strawman arguments to sidestep the issue at point here. Do you do that on purpose, or ...what?

As to your comment about "why in the world would a Christian want to do away with something ..." I guess you are not listening very well. A Christian didn't do away with it - Jesus Himself did...

 

Matthew 3:15  But Jesus answered him, "Let it be so now, because this is how we fulfill all righteousness." Then he consented.
 

Jesus was not a sinner, there was no reason for Him to receive a baptism for repentance. He was baptized for several different reasons, the first of which, was to fulfill all that was needed in order to abrogate the old covenant and its law. Just as all of the passages that I gave you at the first clearly state, which you ignore for no other reason than your bias. Scripture says what it says, and you denying what it says does not change the facts.

I ignored the majority of your other comments because they have absolutely NOTHING to do with the current conversation. 

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  On 11/14/2020 at 5:06 PM, SwordMaster said:

I agree...and I often give others this verse when they take Paul out into the woodshed (so to speak) and assign false interpretations to his words.

 

On the contrary, every passage I gave emphatically state that the 10 Commandments are dead to the Christian walking in Christ. The only people the 10 Commandments hold sway over today are those who are not in Christ.

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If you love Jesus you will keep his commandments (St. John 14:15)

 

  22 hours ago, SwordMaster said:

 

Actually, the evidence shows that it is more likely Apollos that wrote Hebrews, not Paul. Secondly, the law is the law, period. When deciphering which law is meant we have to go to the context, and the context here tells anyone who is not allowing bias to interfere with their interpretation, that it is the main law. That main law, is the 10 Commandments. This is verified (again) by Paul, Apollos in other places, and Jesus. Don't let your bias discount key passages of God's Word...

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Again Paul says in Hebrews 10: 1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. 2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. 3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. Paul is clearly talking about the of animal sacrifice. 

 

 

  22 hours ago, SwordMaster said:

 

Yes...indeed...and you just proved my point. The old covenant AND EVERYTHING THAT CAME WITH IT, which includes the law of Moses, was abrogated by the New Covenant.

Again Paul says in (Rom. 7:7,12) (v.7) What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, THOU SHALT NOT COVET. Paul asked a question, is the law sin? He said God forbid, he said the only way that he knew what sin was, was by the law. (v.12) Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good. Why in the world would a Christian want to do away with something that God said is holy. Not sure how this prove your point, looks like it goes against it.

 

 

 

  22 hours ago, SwordMaster said:

 

Exactly what I already stated...the law is only good today for those who are not saved. The law teaches the sinner that he needs Christ. I specifically stated that the law of Moses is NOT applicable to those who are abiding in Christ. I did not state that it has no value whatsoever.

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Paul said in (Rom. 3:23-25) (v.23) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. (v.24) Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: (v.25) Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God. So the bible tells you to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus. And by doing so you come up under his precious blood and then you are saved from your sins that are past, not present or future sins but for sins that are past. We were all locked under death by Adam’s sin, even the second death. But when Jesus became (he was God in the beginning) man and died for the sins of the world, he gave us access back to the tree of life (himself) which Adam had caused us to lose. That’s what grace is, our free gift our access back to the tree of life but that’s another lesson for another time. So by coming under the blood of Jesus you are saved from your past sins. And if you are saved now, it is on a day to day basis. Because all have sinned, and if you continue to live you will sin again. It is the willful sinning that you need to put in check, I can read that to you if needed.

 

  22 hours ago, SwordMaster said:

 

Yes, I can...and the law of Moses has no place in the life of those who are in Christ, just as Scripture CLEARLY states in a number of places. If you think the law of Moses still has place over the Christian, then you are deceived and demonstrate that your bias is plaguing your interpretation of Scripture.

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Its evident that you don't know what the Greek text states, because what you give above, and your faulty reasoning, besets it...this is what the text states in Greek, which your version above bastardized:

 

"For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people" (Isaiah 28:11). The Lord knew that his people would not always remain in their own land, speaking Hebrew, so he had Isaiah to prophesy that he would have his word put into other languages. The KJV is in english, not greek.

 

 

10 hours ago, SwordMaster said:

Luke 16:16  The Law and the Prophets were until John; since then the good news of the kingdom of God is preached, and everyone forces his way into it.

Something took place during John the Baptist's short ministry that ended the law of Moses, and the Messianic prophecies uttered in the OT - that something was Christ's baptism and the subsequent abrogation of it and the inauguration of the new covenant and its new law. You act like you know what you are talking about, but it is quite evident that you do not know as you should know, primarily, it seems, because you run your interpretation process through your bias.

Paul told you to; (2Tim. 2:15) Study to shew thyself approved unto God, (not man) a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. You must rightfully divide the word of God, you must find out where every thing fits because fit it does. John 3:4 it states, "whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law." So if the royal law ten commandments was nailed to the cross that would mean its okay to use the Lords name in vain, put other gods before HIM, make graven images and bow before them, pollute the Sabbath day, steal, commit murder, commit adultery and bear false witness. If all these things are okay to commit, then we might as well throw the Bible out the back door and do what ever feels good to us. The Bible explains to you clearly what laws are nail to the cross.

Again Paul says in Hebrews 10: 1For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. 2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. 3 But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. 5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me: 6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.

Lets go back and take a look at this Law.

And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a soul shall sin through ignorance against any of the commandments of the LORD concerning things which ought not to be done, and shall do against any of them: (Leviticus 4:1-2)

The law in the scriptures above is the commandments.

Notice something else very important in these two scriptures. It states, "if a soul shall sin through ignorance." Notice that the scripture did not says on purpose. Why? There is no sacrifice for a sin that is committed willfully. You can read the rest on your own.

 

 

10 hours ago, SwordMaster said:

 

Again, when we translate the Greek with its grammar intact, the text does not state that heaven and earth will pass away, that is NOT what Christ stated. Therefore, your spurious snarky question is moot.

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Again..."For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people" (Isaiah 28:11). The Lord knew that his people would not always remain in their own land, speaking Hebrew, so he had Isaiah to prophesy that he would have his word put into other languages. The KJV is in english, not greek.

 

10 hours ago, SwordMaster said:

Matthew 5:17-18  Do not think that I came to destroy the law or the prophets: I did not come to destroy, but to fulfill. Because truly I tell you, if heaven and earth perish, not one stroke of a pen or dot of an "i" will pass away without being fulfilled.

 

parerchomai (pass away), according to the grammar, the first appearance means "perish," while the second appearance means "to pass away without being fulfilled." The word for "until" (eos), when followed by the word av (if, perhaps), takes on the meaning of being purely probable, but NOT certain...in other words, here it means "IF."

This, in conjunction with what Jesus says later...

 

Remember the Biblical definition of sin is; whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. (I John 3:4) So the law is for whom? For the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for men stealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine. Looks like Paul is preaching "keep the law" like the rest of the Lord's disciples. The people that teach against the Lord's commandments teach traditions of men.

 

 

 

 

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 22 hours ago, SwordMaster said:

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Actually, it was Apollos that wrote Hebrews, not Paul. And, the verse that you give above has absolutely nothing to do with the current discussion. Not even in the least bit.

 

As far as I know, no one knows who authored Hebrews, but I tend to agree, it is a bit irrelevant.

 

 

 

Yeah, no one knows for sure, but Apollos seems like the best likely candidate, it certainly wasn't Paul because the markers of his style are not present in Hebrews. I should not have made that statement so emphatic...my apologies!

 

Blessings!

 

 

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Paul told you to; (2Tim. 2:15) Study to shew thyself approved unto God, (not man) a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. You must rightfully divide the word of God, you must find out where every thing fits because fit it does.

 

Yes indeed...and I see that you have failed at that task.

 

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John 3:4 it states, "whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law." So if the royal law ten commandments was nailed to the cross that would mean its okay to use the Lords name in vain, put other gods before HIM, make graven images and bow before them, pollute the Sabbath day, steal, commit murder, commit adultery and bear false witness. If all these things are okay to commit, then we might as well throw the Bible out the back door and do what ever feels good to us. The Bible explains to you clearly what laws are nail to the cross.

 

I see that you also use a child's understanding when addressing this issue. All of the facets of the old law is fulfilled by loving on others...but you conveniently leave that out because it throws a monkey wrench into your biased assessment. Good job...you are still arguing out of your bias, not intelligent coherent exegesis of Scripture.

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Again, when we translate the Greek with its grammar intact, the text does not state that heaven and earth will pass away, that is NOT what Christ stated. Therefore, your spurious snarky question is moot.

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Again..."For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people" (Isaiah 28:11). The Lord knew that his people would not always remain in their own land, speaking Hebrew, so he had Isaiah to prophesy that he would have his word put into other languages. The KJV is in english, not greek.

 

 

 

You are pulling the same nonsense as earlier...I guess your bias blinds you to intellectual conversational truths? Neither Isaiah 28:11 nor your 'pundit' explanation of it has NOTHING to do with the current conversation. Nothing at all. Try again without trying to introduce strawman arguments into the conversation.

 

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Remember the Biblical definition of sin is; whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. (I John 3:4) So the law is for whom? For the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for men stealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine. Looks like Paul is preaching "keep the law" like the rest of the Lord's disciples. The people that teach against the Lord's commandments teach traditions of men.

 

Apparently you are a lost cause. None of what you said above has anything to do with what I gave you...nothing. And nothing that you have stated thus far decries from the FACT that Scripture tells us that the old law, along with the covenant that it came from, are gone. The facts stand, and because you go against them, you fall.

Since you don't listen, but only regurgitate your bias, we are pretty much finished with this conversation. 

Have a nice day.

 

 

[Michael37]

51 minutes ago, SwordMaster said:

Yes indeed...and I see that you have failed at that task.

Hi Swordmaster. It's not clear who you are quoting when you post. The Quote or Multi-quote toggles will show us who you are interacting with. If using them is not convenient as a courtesy you should insert the name of the person you are corresponding to yourself. This would be appreciated.

[Bro.Tan]

9 hours ago, SwordMaster said:

 

Yes indeed...and I see that you have failed at that task.

Not one bit. Sir.

9 hours ago, SwordMaster said:

 

I see that you also use a child's understanding when addressing this issue. All of the facets of the old law is fulfilled by loving on others...but you conveniently leave that out because it throws a monkey wrench into your biased assessment. Good job...you are still arguing out of your bias, not intelligent coherent exegesis of Scripture.

Don't get disrespectful, be a christian at all time and professional, you understand! Because then you would be the one look at as a child. Now, Lets take a look something...The religious leaders were constantly questioning Jesus in order to test Him and on this occasion a lawyer asked Jesus what is the great commandment? Matthew (22:35) Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, (36) Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
Jesus reply was the 1st great commandment was to love God and the 2nd was to love ones neighbor. These were given as a commandment for man to love. Matthew (22:37) Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. (38) This is the first and great commandment. (39) And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

One should note that by following the 1st and 2nd great commandment they will be adhering to the 10 commandments issued by Moses. If they love the Lord they won=t have any other Gods before him, or make any graven images or take his name in vain, they will remember his Sabbath and if they love their neighbor they will honor their Father and Mother and they wont kill or commit adultery or steal or bear false witness nor will they covet. This is why Jesus goes on to state that on these two commandments hang the law and the prophets. Because by fulfilling these two commandments one fulfills the law.

(40) On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Jesus stated that these 2 commandments where the 2 great commandments however the following verses will show that these commandments were not new and that the Jews Jesus was speaking to were aware of them.

These were the same ones issued to Israel by Moses.
Deuteronomy (6:5) And thy shall love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
Leviticus (19:18) Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

Now that it has been established that man was commanded to love one needs to examine the scriptures to get an understanding of the love required in these great commandments. In the following verses Moses is telling the Israelites that God chose them strictly out of His love for them.

Deuteronomy (7:7) The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people; for ye were the fewest of all people: (8) But because the LORD loved you, and because he would keep the oath which he had sworn unto your fathers, hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand, and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen, from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt. (9) Know therefore that the LORD thy God, he is God, the faithful God, which keepeth covenant and mercy with them that love him and keep his commandments to a thousand generations;

Note in verse (9) Moses states a condition that God requires in order for Him to keep covenant and have mercy. And that is an individual must love God and keep His commandments. The scriptures will show that there is only one way to love God and that is by keeping His commandments.

Note that Jesus states in the following verse that in order to love Him one has to keep His commandments.

John (14:15) If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Jesus further defines the love He requires when He states in the following verse that those who have His commandments and keep them are those that love Him. One does not have to guess at Jesus definition of love He made it clear.

John (14:21) He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

Jesus also reinforced what was said in Deuteronomy verse (9) by adding that those that love Him will be loved by the Father. How does one love Jesus? by keeping His commandments and Moses said God will keep covenant and have mercy with those who keep His commandments. So therefore by following Jesus one shall receive love from Him as well as mercy from the Father. Note in these scriptures it did not say those who profess their love for Jesus or those that claim that Jesus knows what in their heart. Jesus made a clear and direct statement if one has His commandments and keeps them they are the ones who love Him. The statement that Jesus made as well as the condition Moses gave in Deuteronomy verse (9) were based on behalf of an individuals actions not their feeling or emotions or conditions. To exhibit love towards Jesus one must engage in a specific action and that action is being obedience to the word of God. And one will see that they are to be obedient regardless of their feeling or the surrounding circumstances.

 

9 hours ago, SwordMaster said:

 

You are pulling the same nonsense as earlier...I guess your bias blinds you to intellectual conversational truths? Neither Isaiah 28:11 nor your 'pundit' explanation of it has NOTHING to do with the current conversation. Nothing at all. Try again without trying to introduce strawman arguments into the conversation.

Let no man despise thy youth; but be thou an example of the believers, in word, in conversation, in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity (1Timothy 4:12)

 

9 hours ago, SwordMaster said:

 

Apparently you are a lost cause. None of what you said above has anything to do with what I gave you...nothing. And nothing that you have stated thus far decries from the FACT that Scripture tells us that the old law, along with the covenant that it came from, are gone. The facts stand, and because you go against them, you fall.

Since you don't listen, but only regurgitate your bias, we are pretty much finished with this conversation. 

Have a nice day.

 

 

0% of verses and scriptures I read from you. But Paul says Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. (1 Thessalonians 5:21).   Lets take a look at something Jesus says in Matthew 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness. 19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. This is also includes the rest of the commandments see Exodus 20:1-17. as of this day.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Logostician]

The road to eternal salvation begins with Jesus.  And it never ends.  I don't think it's complicated at all.  The biggest obstacle to accepting Jesus is worldliness.  As far as being a biblical scholar, it's not necessary.  We are not here to impress each other, and our meager abilities will not impress God, especially if used in a prideful way, and particularly when used against those who love Jesus.  He already knows the Bible.  He wrote it.  Jesus is impressed by our faithful love and trust in him.  That is all you need.  Jesus plus nothing.  I read the Bible because it is centered on Jesus.  It is not a chore or a source of discomfort.  And true understanding of the Bible comes from the Holy Spirit. The Spirit gives life to the words that penetrates the heart, soul, and mind.  Reading the Bible is a joy, because I love Jesus.  If you have trouble understanding it, ask Jesus to help you.  He created the universe.  He can help you understand the Bible.  If you come across dogmatic people insisting this or that, don't argue with them to no avail, rely on the Spirit of knowledge given by Jesus over all men.  Every knee will bow before Jesus and no other.

Mat 11:28-30

Come to me all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.  Take my yoke upon you and learn of me, for I am meek and lowly in heart, and ye shall find rest unto your souls.  For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

So many things in life are difficult and painful.  Jesus is not the problem.  He's the solution.  He doesn't create burdens.  He releives them.  I couldn't get through this life without him.  And I wouldn't want to.  I am at peace.  And no man can take it from me.