FORGIVEN OR NOT ?

[douge]

Ephesians 4:32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

This passage says that we have been forgiven.

1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

This passage says we have to confess to receive forgiveness.

We can not, at the same time, have forgiveness, but have to confess it in order to receive it.

1 John is written only for Israel as seen in Leviticus 26:40, Nehemiah 1:6, and Psalm 32:5.

[TheBlade]

 You know this site alone has topics on this (threads) that are very long. 

You pic only 2 verse?

Short He found me, I repent..ooh I am forgiven set free aka "even as God for Christ sake hath forgiven you/me". I now this verse I pray it all the time starting at .. I put off the old man which after GOD is created in ... anyway.

1st John.. is to the body of Christ...yet was he also talking to a group that believe they had no sin? So Christ for me can not die again. If I sin a sin He already died for.. I am forgiven yet that sin is still a sin and wrong. So if I miss the mark it does not please Him. So I tell my Father .. oops.. forgive me. And in no way does it effect my salvation. I live in this flesh that loves to sin. No longer I that sin but sin that is in me. You should know all this.

Others may say this in a different way.. yet Christ has already died. Try to use MORE verses to make a point in cases like this

 

[SwordMaster]

On 11/2/2020 at 7:04 AM, douge said:

Ephesians 4:32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

This passage says that we have been forgiven.

1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

This passage says we have to confess to receive forgiveness.

We can not, at the same time, have forgiveness, but have to confess it in order to receive it.

1 John is written only for Israel as seen in Leviticus 26:40, Nehemiah 1:6, and Psalm 32:5.

I John was written to the church, not Israel. There is absolutely nothing in the letter anywhere that gives anyone even a hint of a scintillon that it was only written to Israel. I John is renowned by most scholars and theologians who study covenants, as being the foremost New Covenant document in the NT Scriptures. The New Covenant was written to the church, which is born out of that covenant.

Blessings

 

[Leonardo Von]

On 11/2/2020 at 12:04 PM, douge said:

Ephesians 4:32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

This passage says that we have been forgiven.

1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

This passage says we have to confess to receive forgiveness.

We can not, at the same time, have forgiveness, but have to confess it in order to receive it.

Christ put His pardon available to everyone. Nevertheless, we need to go into His presence in order to receive this forgiveness.