Charlie744 Posted November 13, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 55 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 2,685 Content Per Day: 1.71 Reputation: 862 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/29/2020 Status: Online Author Share Posted November 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Ozarkbound said: What seperates one from God? Their disbelief and evil deeds. Those who are unbelievers do not think (head) and do (hand) the things of Christ. Therefore they are marked for destruction. Phillipians 4: 8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things. 9 Those things, which ye have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, do: and the God of peace shall be with you. Now we’re getting somewhere! That seems to be right on point... but don’t leave now!!!! So, at both points in time there is a mark... Question: Does or do these marks have to be visible (both times) to man or just seen and known by God? I suspect the former... So, what mark or symbol or visible means would God apply to Cain and those at the end times that identifies them? And, what is the opposite mark for the 144,000? This is a nice problem to solve! Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael37 Posted November 13, 2020 Group: Servant Followers: 21 Topic Count: 244 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 7,017 Content Per Day: 3.28 Reputation: 4,938 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/05/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/23/1954 Share Posted November 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Jaydub said: I don't believe the mark to be physical, Hi Jaydub. How do you and supposedly the JW's tie a non-physical mark to the marketing scenario in Revelation where there is a prohibition on buying and selling for those without the mark? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozarkbound Posted November 13, 2020 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 277 Content Per Day: 0.20 Reputation: 164 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/16/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted November 13, 2020 10 minutes ago, Charlie744 said: Now we’re getting somewhere! That seems to be right on point... but don’t leave now!!!! So, at both points in time there is a mark... Question: Does or do these marks have to be visible (both times) to man or just seen and known by God? I suspect the former... So, what mark or symbol or visible means would God apply to Cain and those at the end times that identifies them? And, what is the opposite mark for the 144,000? This is a nice problem to solve! Charlie I believe the mark of Cain to be visible so that others knew not to kill him. I believe that the mark of the beast, which I referring to in my post, to not be visible as it is about our salvation or lack of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omegaman 3.0 Posted November 13, 2020 Group: Graduated to Heaven Followers: 57 Topic Count: 1,546 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 10,320 Content Per Day: 1.41 Reputation: 12,323 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/15/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/05/1951 Share Posted November 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, Ozarkbound said: I believe that the mark of the beast, which I referring to in my post, to not be visible as it is about our salvation or lack of. I gather then that you see this as similar to those sealed by the Spirit! ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozarkbound Posted November 13, 2020 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 277 Content Per Day: 0.20 Reputation: 164 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/16/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted November 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Michael37 said: Hi Jaydub. How do you and supposedly the JW's tie a non-physical mark to the marketing scenario in Revelation where there is a prohibition on buying and selling for those without the mark? Buying and selling does not necessarily mean purchasing or selling goods. Have you ever heard the term I am not buying what you are selling? This is not referring to merchandise, but to ideas and beliefs. The mark of the beast is rejecting the idea of and belief in Christ. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael37 Posted November 13, 2020 Group: Servant Followers: 21 Topic Count: 244 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 7,017 Content Per Day: 3.28 Reputation: 4,938 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/05/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/23/1954 Share Posted November 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, Ozarkbound said: I believe the mark of Cain to be visible so that others knew not to kill him. I believe that the mark of the beast, which I referring to in my post, to not be visible as it is about our salvation or lack of. So I have the same question for you, Ozarkbound. How do you tie a non-physical mark to the marketing scenario in Revelation where there is a prohibition on buying and selling for those without the mark? Rev 13:16-17 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, (17) and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozarkbound Posted November 13, 2020 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 277 Content Per Day: 0.20 Reputation: 164 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/16/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted November 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, Omegaman 3.0 said: I gather then that you see this as similar to those sealed by the Spirit! ?? If by that you mean that those who are in Christ are sealed by the spirit, then yes. Christ has a seal on those who are his. Satan is a copy cat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozarkbound Posted November 13, 2020 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 3 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 277 Content Per Day: 0.20 Reputation: 164 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/16/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted November 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, Michael37 said: So I have the same question for you, Ozarkbound. How do you tie a non-physical mark to the marketing scenario in Revelation where there is a prohibition on buying and selling for those without the mark? Rev 13:16-17 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, (17) and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. I explained this in the post just above this one, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael37 Posted November 13, 2020 Group: Servant Followers: 21 Topic Count: 244 Topics Per Day: 0.11 Content Count: 7,017 Content Per Day: 3.28 Reputation: 4,938 Days Won: 2 Joined: 07/05/2018 Status: Offline Birthday: 09/23/1954 Share Posted November 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, Ozarkbound said: Buying and selling does not necessarily mean purchasing or selling goods. Have you ever heard the term I am not buying what you are selling? This is not referring to merchandise, but to ideas and beliefs. The mark of the beast is rejecting the idea of and belief in Christ. So simply applying the language of the text how do you think the beast from the earth causes people to receive a non-physical mark which is required to non-physically buy and sell, as you would have it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie744 Posted November 13, 2020 Group: Royal Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 55 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 2,685 Content Per Day: 1.71 Reputation: 862 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/29/2020 Status: Online Author Share Posted November 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, Michael37 said: Hi Jaydub. How do you and supposedly the JW's tie a non-physical mark to the marketing scenario in Revelation where there is a prohibition on buying and selling for those without the mark? Michael, another great question... and, unfortunately, I have not studied Revelation... but I have heard so many mention and refer to this point.... and there are no shortage of interesting comments on the inability to buy and sell... Please accept this a an extremely preliminary thought about this ... when I read over this my question initial application was certainly in line with everyone else- typical buy and sell of goods to live and survive. However, the more I thought about it the more I started to think it MAY not apply as understood but it is meant to be interpreted in a manner similar to the 10 virgins where there is no further opportunity to accept Jesus... they have lost all time / ability to acquire salvation.. Again, just my preliminary thoughts, Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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