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Are there ever occasions when it’s ok or good to lie?

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Hi. So is it ever ok or good to lie? Let’s say that example where you are a German in Germany in a second world war and you are hiding Jews from nazis and the German soldiers come asking have you seen any Jews and you lie and say no in order to protect them from murder. Was that lie a good deed or bad deed?

Is it ok or good for police to lie when investigating? Police prevent a lots of serious crimes all the time and most of their work is based on deception for good purposes.

Is it ok for soldiers to deceive in order to defend the country. Is it ok for them to sneak up on enemy and spy and cary out  secret attacks? How about camouflage?

Is it ok for us to lie in order to save ourselves from unjust treatment?

So basically my question is:  Can it ever be said that lie is ok? or can it be ever said that lie is good?

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What do you think?

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17 minutes ago, Ozarkbound said:

What do you think?

Probably not. But then again if you go silent and refuse to lie that might be a give away and someone gets killed. Then you’ve practically killed someone.

I would like if I can answer with yes, it’s ok, but I can’t say that.

i personally still sometimes say a lie to protect myself from what I believe is unjust wrong treatment, but I can’t say that’s good. Lie is a lie. If you are being tortured on an ongoing basis it can become easy to say a lie. But again, we can go silent, but that can amount to more torture, and what if you can’t handle it any more? What if you have been occasionally tortured for let’s say 11 years? What do you do?

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What if someone gets a haircut and you think it looks awful. If they ask you how you think it looks should you tell them? 

I find your topic interesting. Lying is wrong, but so is hurting anothers feelings. 

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1 hour ago, Ervin P said:

Hi. So is it ever ok or good to lie? Let’s say that example where you are a German in Germany in a second world war and you are hiding Jews from nazis and the German soldiers come asking have you seen any Jews and you lie and say no in order to protect them from murder. Was that lie a good deed or bad deed?

Is it ok or good for police to lie when investigating? Police prevent a lots of serious crimes all the time and most of their work is based on deception for good purposes.

Is it ok for soldiers to deceive in order to defend the country. Is it ok for them to sneak up on enemy and spy and cary out  secret attacks? How about camouflage?

Is it ok for us to lie in order to save ourselves from unjust treatment?

So basically my question is:  Can it ever be said that lie is ok? or can it be ever said that lie is good?

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Here's the thing:  It is never OK to lie.

However, sometimes as in Rahab's case, a lie saved someone's life.  Saved TWO people's life.

Yet, in the books of Hebrews and James where she is noted for her GREAT faith, the lie is not mentioned. 

She praised for:

  • giving hospitality [friendly welcome] to the spies
  • receiving the spies
  • and showing them another way out than the way they came in

She is never praised for the lie.

 

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Are there ever occasions when it’s ok or good to lie?

No. Ha-Satan is the father of all and any lie (John 8:44).

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On 11/12/2020 at 5:36 PM, Jayne said:

Here's the thing:  It is never OK to lie.

However, sometimes as in Rahab's case, a lie saved someone's life.  Saved TWO people's life.

Yet, in the books of Hebrews and James where she is noted for her GREAT faith, the lie is not mentioned. 

She praised for:

  • giving hospitality [friendly welcome] to the spies
  • receiving the spies
  • and showing them another way out than the way they came in

She is never praised for the lie.

 

I outright agree with you. Nonetheless, how should Rahab have acted to deliver the spies without lie?

 

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5 hours ago, Leonardo Von said:

I outright agree with you. Nonetheless, how should Rahab have acted to deliver the spies without lie?

 

Their may have been a way, but the thing was -

  • There was no time to figure that out.
  • She was dealing with pagan people who were out to kill the spies.
  • She was a pagan woman, with a terrible past, slowly understanding God - but with a limited grasp of him - and no knowledge of his commandments.

She did the best she could - trying to give herself to God and protect his people. She did the best she could with what she knew.  Isn't that where we all were at one point?

When  it is all said and done, she was the heroine of that story and blessed by God for her courage and willingness to submit to him when no one else in Jericho would.

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The Lord sent a lying spirit out into the prophets of Ahab to convince him to go into disaster.   Does that count???

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Where lying may be the only possible way to prevent something very evil to happen that may be acceptable. Otherwise no. 

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