What is the sin unto death?

[glff]

To blaspheme the Holy Spirit

 To re-write the book of Revelations, while leaving out selected portions.

To deny Jesus before man.

To fall away or to depart from the faith or from believing in Jesus as their Savior.

And we're commanded not to pray for the above as there is no more sacrifice available for them.

1 Jn 5:17 "If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death.  There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it."

But imagine, for all others we're able to pray for them and they'll be given life from the Lord because of our prayers.  How awesome is that!  So do not neglect praying for the brethren, you might be used of the Lord to give them life!

glf

Edited November 17, 2020 by glff
minor corrections

[Don19]

I take back what I said before. The sin unto death is not Holy Spirit blasphemy. Read where John addresses this. It's clear he treats of it as something a brother might do.

The sin unto death is denying Christ. I am quite sure of this now.

Here's a brief synopsis: there are many verses that deal with the day of the Lord, or the coming of the Lord, in the New Testament. This is treated as an imminent thing. Why? Most of these passages are NOT eschatological. The doctrine is that Jesus Christ will return to judge us individually. I'm convinced you can't understand this unless you've actually received the Holy Spirit.

Jesus set forth the parable of the soils as the parable you must understand if you want to understand all parables. What most people assume is that the second and third soil types are unsaved. This is simply untrue. When you believe (in truth, knowing "it is finished"), you receive the Holy Spirit. You receive the Holy Spirit because you personally have believed in Jesus Christ - and so He seals you. This is a personal, supernatural testimony received from God. It's not merely a feeling in the heart, but an earnest - a sign given by God that you are sealed. This is taught in many places (Eph 1:13-14, 1 Thes 1:4-5, Gal 3:2, and others). In order for something to be an earnest, it must be given in a conspicuous way. And so there's no such thing as "perseverance" for final salvation. That's an apostate doctrine. When you are sealed, that it's. You couldn't lose your salvation even if you wanted to. Anyone who is in Christ is a slave of Jesus Christ, His purchased possession.

So the "death" is view is not eternal damnation. It's a withholding of the latter rain (Heb 6:4-8, James 5:7). Well, if the former rain was supernatural, then the latter rain must be too. We "know" the Lord by His Spirit (2 Peter 1:3) - in power - because the kingdom of God is not in word but in power (1 Cor 4:20).

But what did Peter say when he denied Jesus? He said, he did not "know" Him. So Peter was appointed his portion with the hypocrites, where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth (in this life, that is). Note it was Peter who played the hypocrite in Galatians 2, for which he was rebuked by Paul. And he also wrote his first epistle from Babylon (1 Peter 5:13). Don't pretend these aren't significant.

Read the ending of John's gospel. There are numerous, numerous clues that Peter is a disciple who committed the sin unto death, whereas John is the disciple that Jesus "loved," who would tarry till His coming. John outran him (John 20:4), and Peter was found naked (John 21:7). And, indeed, John received the revelation of Jesus Christ. What Peter, and all those who commit the sin unto death lose, is a measure of joy and intimacy in walking with the Lord in this life, which is given supernaturally. Read the letters to the seven churches in Revelation; there are numerous hints to this very thing. God is our reward (Gen 15:1) - to lose that reward through a burning judgment (1 Cor 3:13-15, Heb 10:26-31) is indeed a severe loss.

Once this reward is lost, it can never be gained again. Hence, you have mysterious passages like those in Hebrews, or the sin unto death. There's no loss of eternal life, of course. The very New Testament itself is predicated on the fact that this is impossible (and all those who say otherwise speak against the Holy Spirit). In other words, we who have received the testimony of Jesus Christ, the sealing of the Spirit, should be able to discern that these passages don't remotely hint at a loss of eternal life, or of proving someone was never saved in the first place. Numerous passages speak of this reward as a "salvation." Paul says in Romans 10 all we must do is confess Christ with our mouth and believe in our heart.

But there are words of comfort written even to the "dead in Christ." I am convinced that 1 Thess 4:13-18 is referring to these, not to those who have physically died. Frankly, the passage doesn't make a lot of sense if it's referring to those who have literally died. And besides that, 1 Peter 4:14-19, Deut 30:1-5. And so while He says He will deny those who deny Him - yet He is faithful if we believe not (2 Tim 2:12-14). Once we are in eternity, all things are restored. Every tear will be wiped away. Amen.

Edited February 20, 2021 by Don19

[appy]

In regard to the unpardonable sin. The pharisee's having witnessed live and in person, the undeniable proof that Jesus was working miracles in the power of the Holy Spirit, claimed instead that He was possessed by the demon Beelzebub. In Mark 3:30, Jesus is very specific about what exactly they did to commit “the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.” This blasphemy then has to do with a few things.

A) they accused Jesus who was in person standing in front of them of being demon possessed.

B) they ascribed the work Jesus did to Satan instead of the Holy Spirit

C) they flat out refused to believe Jesus was who He said He was, and what He had come to do.

Jesus told the religious leaders of the day that unless they believed that Jesus was He, (meaning that Jesus is God and savior) they would die in their sins. Just as the religious leaders in bible times flat out and persisted in refusing to believe Jesus and the gospel message, there are people today who also persist in the same unbelief. The only unpardonable sin today is the continued and determined unbelief in Jesus. A true Christian believes Jesus is who He says He is and trusts Him to save them, and thus can not commit the unpardonable sin. (sin unto death)

Matthew 12:24
But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, "It is only by Beelzebul, the prince of demons, that this fellow drives out demons."

Mark 3:30
He said this because they were saying, "He has an impure spirit."

John 8:24
I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am he, you will indeed die in your sins.

 

[Waggles]

On 11/17/2020 at 5:17 AM, missmuffet said:

Again, the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit cannot be repeated today, although some people try. Jesus Christ is not on earth—He is seated at the right hand of God. No one can personally witness Jesus performing a miracle and then attribute that power to Satan instead of the Spirit.

Well that is simply not true. 

Of course the sin of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is occurring today; much more than most people realise.

On 11/17/2020 at 5:17 AM, missmuffet said:

They purposely attributed the work of the Spirit to the devil, even though they knew the truth and had the proof. Jesus declared their wilful blindness to be unpardonable. Their blasphemy against the Holy Spirit was their final rejection of God’s grace. They had set their course, and God was going to let them sail into perdition unhindered.

Many Christian churches teach that the work of the Holy Spirit today is demonic and of false miracles. While the Jehovah Witnesses may be the most vocal in their denunciation of miracles and healings today, they are not alone. Indeed most mainstream churches attack Pentecostal faith and worship as demonic. Not from God.

Even here on Worthy forums many are not shy to denounce praying in tongues and the gifts of the Holy Spirit as fake, false and from the enemy and not of God. 

Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit - attributing the power and work of God in the body of Christ, his Spirit-filled churches, to satan and of devils is blasphemy. 

On 11/17/2020 at 5:17 AM, missmuffet said:

No one can personally witness Jesus performing a miracle and then attribute that power to Satan instead of the Spirit.

But when worldly Christians see miracles and healings done by Pentecostal Christians they are seeing Jesus in action; the power of God through the indwelling Holy Spirit blessing those who are prayed over and raised up. The claim that such is of satan is to impugn a Pentecostal Christian with having 'an impure spirit' and not the Holy Spirit of Christ Jesus. 

Praying in tongues is miraculous, a spiritual language of God and the angels given to every true worshipper baptised in the Holy Spirit. We can read of this in Acts and the epistles, and yet many choose to call this out and blaspheme this God given sign spoken of by Jesus himself, as satanic and un-Godly. That is another blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

[Justin Adams]

12 minutes ago, Waggles said:

That is another blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

Cessationists have a very bitter pill to swallow. I have been in places that did not actually forbid prophecy, but said "write it down and the clergy will get back to you". However, this assembly blessed many to visit that odd Bethel place in Ca. (The dog barking people that tend to run amuck). So one extreme to the other. People are just afraid of that which they cannot control.

Of course, the wacky world web is full of stuff that brings disrepute to the Spirit.

Edited February 20, 2021 by Justin Adams

[Whyme]

I doubt healers. If they can actually heal why not go to the hospital and heal folks? Why can't these healers grow limbs? God can restore sight but not a leg or arm?

Edited February 20, 2021 by Whyme

[Waggles]

49 minutes ago, Justin Adams said:

Of course, the wacky world web is full of stuff that brings disrepute to the Spirit.

Yes there are disciplined Pentecostals that are sober and restrained following exactly the directions laid out in scripture on proper conduct individually and for orderly worship.

And then there are those who do not discipline themselves against the teachings of scripture and believe in transcending the word of God and allowing themselves to become 'free spirits'. Unfortunately, mainstream churches see the circuses and bizarre behaviours of those that have moved on beyond scripture and are appalled. No wonder the truth is spoken evil of in these last days. 

I was witnessing to a woman who replied, "Oh yes I have come across your church before. You're those people who are in bondage to the Word." But thankfully she being a free spirit was able to resist being drawn into a church that stood on the word of God. 

But as an outsider I observe that religion in the U.S.A. has always been problematic and weird. The Mormons! The Jehovah Witnesses, Waco, snake handlers, holy rollers, charismatic experiences, along with mega churches that are big business. Where else can you have a man of God becoming a billionaire with a fleet of private jets but in America? 

But in the midst of all the disorderly and dysfunctional the full gospel of salvation is being preached and men and women throughout the world are experiencing again the book of Acts.

Holy Spirit Pentecostal revival is sweeping across the world. Yes even in Islamic nations and India and China. 

[Justin Adams]

1 hour ago, Whyme said:

I doubt healers. If they can actually heal why not go to the hospital and heal folks? Why can't these healers grow limbs? God can restore sight but not a leg or arm?

I understand the question. If you read Wigglesworth's anthology you will see some interesting miracles. 

I have been honored to witness a few. Most people are so unbelieving that few miracles happen these days, but they do occur.

Mark 6:5

The Rejection at Nazareth
…4 Then Jesus said to them, “Only in his hometown, among his relatives, and in his own household is a prophet without honor.” 5 So He could not perform any miracles there, except to lay His hands on a few of the sick and heal them. 6 And He was amazed at their unbelief. 

Edited February 20, 2021 by Justin Adams

[Whyme]

18 minutes ago, Justin Adams said:

I understand the question. If you read Wigglesworth's anthology you will see some interesting miracles. 

I have been honored to witness a few. Most people are so unbelieving that few miracles happen these days, but they do occur.

Mark 6:5

The Rejection at Nazareth
…4 Then Jesus said to them, “Only in his hometown, among his relatives, and in his own household is a prophet without honor.” 5 So He could not perform any miracles there, except to lay His hands on a few of the sick and heal them. 6 And He was amazed at their unbelief. 

Kids at shriners hospital for children wont regrow new limbs. No one will heal them. WHOS fault is that? Is it their fault or the fault of faithless christians? Forgive my question but i need to ask.

[Whyme]

39 minutes ago, Justin Adams said:

I understand the question. If you read Wigglesworth's anthology you will see some interesting miracles. 

I have been honored to witness a few. Most people are so unbelieving that few miracles happen these days, but they do occur.

Mark 6:5

The Rejection at Nazareth
…4 Then Jesus said to them, “Only in his hometown, among his relatives, and in his own household is a prophet without honor.” 5 So He could not perform any miracles there, except to lay His hands on a few of the sick and heal them. 6 And He was amazed at their unbelief. 

That scripture doesnt say Jesus woldnt heal because of their lack of faith. Healing was the only miracle He would do.